26 Jul 2014 11:23:54
scotland leaving the uk is a tricky 1 for me, I love the scottish and have more in common with them than say people down south. I can see both points, pro and against. Put it this way, if there was a vote on Liverpool being a republic and leaving the rest of England, I would vote 'Yes' to leave.

No doubts normal Scottish people are thinking the same way. I do not trust alex salmond one bit though, he is a high freemason and was involved in some way with the hollie greig case, in what capacity I am not sure, so it could be out of the frying pan into the fire.

then it got me thinking about real change in the uk. if something came out that involved us all, I would want all the home nations to stand together as one, than say splitting fractions. it's a tough one this subject and to answer the poll of the day, edd she was trolled.

 
Frankie, I was born in Glasgow and lived here all my life, I left school just as thatcher came to power and watched her Tory gov destroy life's up here. I've voted labour all my days until Blair went to war and supported the snp into power at the last election. I'm praying for independence, not for Alex Salmond, but for the chance to vote in a real socialist Labour Party into power at the next election. Also if we do break away it will destroy Cameron's validity (who would want to be the prime minister who breaks up the uk) and maybe give our southern cousins a chance for change.

 
26 Jul 2014 13:47:54
Salmond is certainly not to be trusted. I've said before, Brussels wants Britain split up to make it easier to take over piecemeal. Its divide and rule once again, some irony.

Kim Philby

 
I would trust Allex Salmon 100%, he has done more to help the average Scot in the last few years (with his hands tied), than any unionist has. To Frankie who lied and said Alex is a high freemason, that is absolute rubbish. I have a family member who knows him very well and says he is anti-masonic. As for the Europe involvement that would be up to the people of Scotland to decide in an independent Scotland.

{Ed001's Note - you mean made a mistake, rather than lied surely?}

 
26 Jul 2014 17:43:46
Didn't salmond say on getting independence he would straight away sign up to the euro. Independence means less freedom not more. And socialism has failed in every country its been tried in, it doesn't work.

 
Frank check out Tommy Sheridan on youtube debating with the condems and new labour representatives of bitter together. This is the man many people are listening to more than Salmond . I was undecided a year ago but now I am 100 percent yes. Thatcher Bliar nuclear bombs Cameron austerity cuts just a few reasons of the top of my head.
A Scottish LFC fan ynwa

 
Being Scottish this is our chance to break free.

I feel if we do this maybe 10/15 years away another parts of the UK & north England will vote too.

I am a yes voter however yes or no I think it will come down to 1%. I was still in nappies when Thatcher was in power so I didn't feel the affect of her however I don't know any good word she done for Scotland other than the NHS & buying you're council home.

Labour in Scotland is broken, best bet would be independent with Labour running it.

I have also heard that the PM is going to stay in Scotland for the last 2 weeks of the campaign which in IMO a bad idea. To throw into the mix I have heard HSBC & city link have told their employees if Scotland leave the UK they will move the business down south purely for tax reasons, this could be hear say though.

If Scotland voted no we would be the only country in the world to reject independence (I think) also if we get it & then Barcelona what's stopping anyone else doing it in England/UK?

Lenny

 
Like I said if I was scottish I would be very tempted to vote yes and I will try and dig out salmonds connections to the hollie greig case next week (hungover today)and let you make your own mind up.

 
27 Jul 2014 13:32:49
Lenny most of the big companies based in Scotland will pull out and head south leading to mass unemployment.

What happens to your share of the debt? Its royal bank of Scotland after all.

You won't get the pound as your currency so Salmond will have you in the euro in a blink. Not a good move as the Greeks, Italians, Spanish, Irish and Portuguese will attest.

The oil is running out.

What happens to all the Scottish army units. An independent Scotland can't afford them and London won't pay for them so come the next round of defence cuts there all gone.

Close the nuclear sub bases and they all get moved south. But what happens to the local businesses that rely on those bases.

What happens to the nhs, what happens to free perscriptions. Free university places.

Irs been badly thought out and the snp have no answers.

 
If businesses move out of Scotland in the event of a yes vote then in the capatalist era we're in surely means someone will come in and take its place. It would make no sense to do that. Tesco for example said they wouldn't leave why should they its for the Scottish people to decide and we'll still be here.

I'm a yes voter and I like to stress that it is no way anything to do with hating the English as some people are stating online or on interviews from sly news. I believe Westminster/London has separated itself from the rest of the U. K and I'm voting yes so scotland can make its own decision for its self and for many other reasons but to many to list.
As for salmond I ain't voting for him on the 18th by that logic you would only vote no cause u like Cameron


Roscojef

{Ed007's Note - We don't hate the English people, we HATE the Tories and what they have made our country become. All the BT campaign is doing is promoting fearful doom and gloom, there's no positive change by remaining in the outdated union. England needs Scotland more than we need them, why else are they trying to scare us into saying 'No'?}

 
To the above anonymous poster!
Think you have been reading one of project fears posters.
Firs of all, you state most of the big companies based in Scotland would leave post independence and head south. Care to explain your reasoning behind this comment?
Scotland as a major oil and gas producer, exporter could lower the fuel duty for internal consumption meaning Scotland would in a commercial market be very attractive to international investment. You ask what would happen to our share of debt (the debt unionist governments have accrued). What about the share of assets Scotland would gain? You state Scotland won`t get the pound, Britain is not the only place who use the pound a a currency!. I would favor a Scottish pound with parity with the rest of the UK for a period of five years (I believe after that period the Scottish economy/pound will be stronger than the rest of the UKs). The reason why the countries you have mentioned where in financial trouble was more to do with international banking greed and criminality, especially the dumping of American sub prime debt on to the world markets. The old oil is running out chestnut, Iv`e been hearing that from the seventies when oil was first found! just when the British government were going cap in hand to the IMF for hand outs, then realized there was oil said it`s ok we don`t need the loans anymore. There was exploration rigs set up on the Firth of Clyde in the eighties, and they found massive oil and possible gas deposits too, but were hushed up as the MOD didn`t want oil industry about the faslane nuclear base. Experts believe there could be trillions of pounds worth of oil of the west coast of Scotland. I`m sure Scotland could fund an army, as we would`nt be getting involved in Americas foreign policy mess, like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya to name but a few. Faslane would be Scotlands main naval base, Faslane does not support the local community, you had a look at Helensburgh lately, very rundown! You claim " what would happen to the NHS". The torys are privatizing the NHS in England bit by bit. Another Tory lie, free proscription charge et al. don`t you know we pay for these services through taxes.

 
27 Jul 2014 22:28:20
Its simple numbers. Population of 5.3 million versus England's near ten times that number. What's the unemployment rate in Scotland at the moment. Where's the money coming from to fund everything. Remember its jointly owned and who put the money up to start with.

 
I didn't realise the site had become another place invaded by SNP/YES fanatics. The truth is nearly all politicians are at best lying crooks. let's look for truth and not suck up their lies.
KJ

 
So KJ because we want to run our own country, rather having Tory boys dictating to us, we are all fanatics. I would hope we can keep this serious chat rather than rhetorical insults.

 
Its simple numbers the whisky industry brings in nearaly £4billion a year, £220 mill from golg tourism and oil over £10 billion a year so yeah its simple numbers. This vote for independence is not a vote to get rid of England, Wales and Northern Ireland but it IS a vote to get rid of Westminster. People in Scotland have Never voted any Tory party in and will never vote them in either, so why should we as a nation listen to them when they say its better together? Did you know that Scotland has located oil just off of Shetland and just off of he Isle of Arran, did you know that the Scottish Government has bought Prestwick airport in order to fly helicopters from there for the rigs? No thought not!

 
Is this really a conspiracy topic? Or another political propoganda machine for mr Salmond. I take mild offence at the liberal use of the word "we". The majority of Scots are happy to be British and want nothing to do with the Nationalists. I find it amazing on a free thinking site like this that people think dumping Westminster for Edinburgh would somehow create some kind of socialist utopia. Look behind the lies and stop being so blinkered folks. This divisiveness and stirred up hatred may be just what the elite are hoping for.
KJ

 
JK your the one who is throwing insulting adjectives about. Typical no campaigner, hey but your on the side of the Orange Order that bastion of fairness, forward thinking liberal morality and social inclusiveness. Think come September the nineteenth you may get a shock at what the people of Scotland want for a future!

{Ed007's Note - KJ I take offence at your warped outlook and lack of understanding about what is happening in OUR country. I take offence that people are willing to accept being ran by a crowad of leeching paedophile Zionists who have no interest in the well-being of the people they supposedly represent.
The 'No' campaign in Scotland is being ran on the back of a sectarian, bigoted and racist agenda. Anyone who can't see that is either blinkered or cerebrally downtrodden. The Orange Order, UKIP, Britain First, National Front, C-18 and the EDL, are these people whose beliefs and aims you agree with KJ? It is them and their knuckle-dragging cockwombles that are cusing any divisiveness and hatred, it's what oxygen thieves need to live.
No free thinking person thinks like you, you're either a shill or a small minded bigot. I have only came across people like you on the internet, there's not many of you seem to exist in real life.
If it bothers you what the Elite are doing or have done why do you want to vote for them to continue to rule you? Do you know who the Elite are and what they have done? Do you agree with Britain's stance over Gaza?
It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.... JK it's people like you Scotland wants to leave behind.}

 
Classy ed07. Very classy.
Kj

{Ed007's Note - Ouch!!! Did it take you all day to come up with that?}

 
No. Just disappointed at your aggressive and personally insulting statement. Your passion is maybe overriding your better judgement. I feel saddened that this site has been poisoned by this divisive debate. I will continue to enjoy the conspiracies but steer clear of this topic from now on. : (
KJ

{Ed007's Note - That's probably for the best as you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps you should try thinking for yourself rather than be brainwashed by right-wing extremists.}

 
Ed07. Sorry but you are abusing your position. I have an opposing viewpoint from yours and I fail to see what gives you the right to be so demeaning. How about a little bit of humility and let's agree to disagree?
KJ

{Ed001's Note - so you see him giving an opposing viewpoint as abusing his position, but you are allowed to give yours? If you feel demeaned by his comments, then I fear you shouldn't be on a site that allows opinions.}

 
Absolutely no issue with opposing viewpoints just annoyed at aggressive insults. Anyway I'm boring myself now.
KJ

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure they are what I would call aggressive insults, sorry. You want to try reading through some of the abuse we get on the football sites if you think that!}