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Discussion #484Talk Sense

15 Nov 2011 11:50:18
for all the zecharia sitchin followers , and i must admit i liked his stuff , have a look at - micheal heiser phd , who clearly shows that sitchin was a fraud , and indeed was no expert in any lingo, hes on youtube and he backs up what he says , a bit heavy -going , but truth is worth finding out about.
heres something else for the jews and germany thing , which i didnt know ,check out a 43 min show on youtube -a jewish defector warns america , by benjamin h freedman , around the 1960s .truth about ww1 , jews , great britain , all the ins and outs of how countrys and war are not quite what you were taught, and it tells why the germans turned on the jews, it was nothing to do with what you might think. ..................lfc

 

Can you give me a link lfc

{Ed033's Note - I have listened to this guy who says zecharia sitchin was a fraud. When sitchin first started talking about this information, a couple of people had a debate with him but always lost because he knew way more than they did on this subject. Obviously now zecharia sitchin is not with us it's easy to say anything about him.

The reason zecharia sitchin said some things that can't be backed up with anything was because he thought that he was channelling information from the entity / group of entities called Enki / EA. He then added this channelled information into his books on the subject. The only question is whether this channelled information is correct or incorrect.}
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The links are on youtube , just put in- micheal heister, sitchin , and - a jewish defector warns america , ed033 , i think heister tryed to debate sitchin for years , he stuided all this for 15 years or so , as much as it pains me to say he looks to be right , you would really have to look at what he says, shows about sitchin to come to a reasonable decision about it , as i say in these matters i find this happens a lot , but its up to everyone to it find out , and make up their own minds............lfc

{Ed033's Note - I'm not saying this michael guy is wrong, I have listened to him before for about 2 hours. All I said is that sitchin channelled the info that has nothing backing it up and we don't know including michael whether the channelled info is correct or not.}
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Read and heard a lot of the stuff about sitchins findings not to be as he translated. But a lot of other specialists in the field do translate an awful lot of the same things he did, with only slight differences. Plus, there is a tablet or writing in stone in the British museum of London which mentions a lot of the same stuff sitchin talks about, Anunnaki, the flood etc...
I also agree with ed! Very ease to cast doubt on someone who isn't around any longer to at least try and explain themselves and work.

Don't get me wrong, maybe he wasn't 100% correct on his 30 odd year work in this field, but he at least stumbled across a great alternative story to our being and origin.

Peace

Jay
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Agree , what is interesting is the sitchin or more important the clay texts , anicent bible and other various writing , putting it all together , its clear to see mankind was put here by angels , superhumans , people much like us , or other agents , the real problem we have is the unseen spirt world , as ed033 said sitchen , believed in channelling , and when i look at the occult , forbidden knowledge, right up to mordern times top people , governments , and a lot of the ufo stuff is from this , which also begs the question were did these writers in the old bible texts get some of the imformation, =ie - a angel of the lord etc , its very interesting and the more you look into it the more you just know that there's more to mankinds history than what the mainstream say............lfc

{Ed033's Note - According to John Lash, 20% of the Nag Hammadi texts talk about a group of ETs called Archons.}
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Discussion #483Talk Sense

15 Nov 2011 00:56:08
Anyone have any theories about the Art Bell area 51 phone call guy ?.
I believe it was a former employee of area 51 who in 1997 whistle blew the real truth about alien involvement
in that area, youtube it, makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end. Be afraid! be very afraid...

 

Its a good listen but maybe hes on drugs or somet.......it does give you goosebumps though.....
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Yes , its a badly acted crank call.

JR
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Discussion #482Talk Sense

14 Nov 2011 23:19:11
First post since the cydonia stuff, just like to discuss more something what an ed mentioned, without researching it ive always thought myself that all e.t's and u.f.o could be more advanced/evovled humans, either coming from the future, or maybe we branched off and spread out ages ago and evolved at different rates, thinking out loud but if all animals suppodesly evolved from one single organism, then maybe all intelligent life forms across the universe can be traced back to one single place and then branched out for whatever reason, we could be the aborigianl types of the universe, and all the u.f.os could be our distant cousins coming to study, very much like a nature program on a massive scale haha, or maybe ive smoked to much tonight . . .

ZOLA

 

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Discussion #481Talk Sense

14 Nov 2011 20:18:36
I'm a firm believer in the "One Man, One Vote" system of democracy.

I am the man and I have the vote.

Lord Havelock Vetinari.

 

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Discussion #480Talk Sense

14 Nov 2011 19:28:23
Not denying the existence of ET's but I just get the feeling that current amount of mainsteam attention being paid to them them is in someway leading to a strip of our personal liberties in the name of "Global Security". Kinda like the terrorism on the Galactic level.

{Ed033's Note - Yes Dr. Carol Rosin was told by Dr. Werner von Braun that we would be told to give up our freedoms because ETs are coming to get us if we don't. Dr. Carol Rosin in the Disclosure Project - www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM

 

If UFOs are real why havent they landed, why not just show themselves, id like to see it but i cant see it happening.

{Ed033's Note - One of the reasons why some of them don't land is because they would be shot at and destroyed with high end black technology. However it is alleged that in 2002 at night there was a landing on the White House Lawn for a very short period of time (no joke) but then they didn't find any intelligent life inside the Whit House, so they left. (joke)

However the Rendlesham Forest incident is possibly a landing from either ETs or more likely humans from the future as there was a communication between an army person and a human looking occupant of the craft that told the army person they were them from the future. I'll give a link to the Rendlesham Forest incident in a bit.}
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{Ed033's note - UFO - The Rendlesham Forest Case - Part 1 of 6

www.youtube.com/watch?v=r35q0KQMXOg&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLF160443226574F34
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{Ed033's note - 1996 Two ET's Captured in Varginha, Brazil?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wE-ui97QFI&feature=related
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If we would shoot at UFOs, does that mean we are on bad terms with them? This seems odd to me as I always thought the authorities were helping to keep them hidden.

Adam

{Ed033's Note - Who knows what's really going on? Not me for sure. Allegedly there are multiple ET races engaging this planet and presumably some they fire on and some they don't. To me this looks like black technology being used to fire an ET craft - www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNoga66ES4o
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Just saw the footage, amazing how quick that missile traveled. I wonder what part of the world it was launched from....

Adam
{Ed033's Note - Yes, It isn't necessary a missile as we know it. Almost certainly isn't propelled by chemical rocket. Maybe is propelled like we have seen ufos move.}
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Discussion #479Talk Sense

14 Nov 2011 16:00:52
hi ed wonderin if u could post sum links 2 sum up 2 date conspiracies, i. e 2011 - 2010, hav lost track slighty in recent times wonderin if u coold help out

{Ed033's Note - Ok, here are a few:

Courts Afraid of Us Now & Lawful Bank - Roger Hayes British Constitution Group
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kScy-FoO0d8&feature=youtu.be


Manipulation Of Your Mind by Government Agenda - Brian Gerrish
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfaIe4OWN8g&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


Adam's Calandar and the stone circles of South Africa
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKxzi8Ra8LY&feature=player_embedded


The Great Deceptions - Veronica Chapman‬ 1 of 15
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eIBQDxE1A0


Megalithomania 1 of 9 - David Hatcher Childress
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeZJyjtJTWo&feature=related


Richard D. Hall video interviews
www.richplanet.net/starship.php

 

I thought that said The GReat Decepticons then, i thought how biased, i;m so glad i wnet for my annual check up with Boots opticians earlier.
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Discussion #478Talk Sense

14 Nov 2011 16:10:50
i do have to say on the subject of obama's peace prize that its always disturbed me. It didn't make much sense at the time. Ostensibley they said it was for his nuclear disarmament speech he gave, i think, in prague. Now thats a very laudable ambition and one i wholly support whilst recognising its fairly unlikely to happen and certainly not in my lifetime. But worthy of the peace prize? Surely not. I mean its not an actual achievement now is it. Also, and i need to double check my dates here, but when he was awarded it, when they made the announcement hadn't he been in office for just under a year? And also correct me if i am wrong but aren't the prizes picked a year in advance or something? So definitely very fishy. Maybe they needed to bolster him before he expanded the war? God i'm getting paranoid. What say you mr ed?
Mort
{Ed033's Note - I don't disagree with you Mort. Hitler was nominated for a Peace Prize this is how ludicrous it is. Obviously Obama doesn't write any of his speeches, he is just a puppet who does exactly as he's told, so to give a Nobel Peace Prize for reading someone else's script is ridiculous even if that is the excuse for giving him a Nobel Peace Prize.

 

Ok cheers Ed, i've been off to check my dates and a few other things: (my own points are all in square bracketts [] All quotes from wikipedia.

"The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between people."

[Now what exactly did he do?]

[Ok here's what he did]

"The Norwegian Nobel Committee announced the award on October 9, 2009, citing Obama's promotion of nuclear nonproliferation and a "new climate" in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world."

[So he makes a couple of speeches, one saying ban the bomb, which we all accept will never happen, and the other one saying to the arabs we will stop invading you if you behave, and he gets the peace prize for that??? The likes of Mandela must have been bloody weeping]

[Key point hear though is the date they announced it October 9th 2009.]

"On December 10, 2009, Obama accepted the prize in Oslo"

"The five members of the Nobel Committee are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament to roughly reflect the party makeup of that body. The 2009 Committee comprised two members of the Norwegian Labor Party, one from the left-wing Socialist Left Party, one from the Conservative Party of Norway and one from the right-wing Progress Party. The chairman of the Committee was Thorbjørn Jagland, former Norwegian Labor Party prime minister and Secretary General of the Council of Europe since September 29, 2009. The panel met six or seven times in 2009, beginning several weeks after the February 1 nomination deadline. The winner was chosen unanimously on October 5 but was initially opposed by the Socialist Left, Conservative and Progress Party members until strongly persuaded by Jagland"

[So in short the nomination deadline was February 1st 2009. Also 3 of the 5 committee voting on it initially opposed Obama, then suddenly its a unanimous decision? Is this not strange? Also the head of the committe said that they were influenced by obama's Cairo speech to reassure the Islamic world, a specch that was given in June, 4 months after the deadline for nominations]

"Obama said he was "surprised" and "deeply humbled" by the award. He stated that he does not feel he deserved the award, and that he did not feel worthy of the company the award would place him in. In remarks given at the White House Rose Garden on the day of the announcement, Obama stated, "I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments but rather an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations."

[So even he agreed he shouldn't of got it although i guess thats the usual politicans flim flam although its more like something on Oscar night]

Timeline

November 4 2008 Obama wins election.

January 20 2009 inagurated as president.

January 2009 1st speech to the middle east.

February 1 2009 deadline for peace prize nominations.

April 5 2009 Obama's Prague speech.

April 7 2009 Obama's Ankara speech.

June 4 2009 Obama's Cairo speech.

October 5 2009 winner chosen.

December 10 2009 accepted speech.

The more i look at it the more it smells. Most of the speeches they say that he made that won it for him were all made after the deadline for nominatons, so why was he even nominated in the first place?

Mort.
{Ed033's Note - Well done for researching it more. People should start to realise that when they look beyond what the mass media tells them, things start to look a little strange and the more you dig the more weird it usually becomes.}
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Obama has been exaulted as the second coming to the American left(the mainstream left) he could piss in their ears and they would say it sounded great
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Thanks Ed i knew it was fishy, so the guys in office for 2 months, in which time he's mainly sorting out his domestic arrangements for the big house and getting his cabinet bedded in and their all reading up on the briefs and within 6 weeks he's nominated for the peace prize. Then he makes a load of speeches in April, May and June which they later say won it for him. So how was he nominated? And 60% of the voting committee opposed it , yet later changed their vote. It stinks.

To the other guys, yes he is portrayed in an almost messianic light, which is worrying in itself. But in reality whats the difference between him and GWB? Apart from he's a better public speaker.

Both have sent offf 1000's of American and allied troops to fight and die for a a cause less and less are believing in. Obama has handled the economy worse than Bush did. And his healthcare bill has seriously divided the nation whatever the merits of it. And he makes all these pipe dream speeches and walks off with one of the biggest prizes you can get. Despite not actually doing anything! You look at past winners like the one Mandela got with de Klerk, or the one between Arafat and Rabin/ Peres or Trimble and Hume. Mind you Al Gore was a farce as well and Ghandi never got one!
Mort.
{Ed033's Note - There is no difference between between Obama and George W Bush they are/were both puppets with exactly the same puppet masters if you go high enough up the chain. And with he same Puppet masters you get the same agenda. However as Obama is seen as a messianic type figure, the puppet masters can get away with more nonsense, more war more thieving from the American people more controls placed on the American people.}
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True Ed true. I always though that Tony Blair was the biggest political con job in history but i think Obama is some string competition.

That being said i do think that Obama will lose the coming election in 12 months time. Its just a case of seeing which puppet beats him.

Mort

{Ed033's Note - There is talk that Ron paul will obviously not get the nomination for the Republican Party and will possibly run as an independent. If he does this he will split the Republican vote and thus let the Democrats in. If Obama is the Democrat nomination, he should win again.}
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I'm not so sure Ed, i think a lot of people are disappointed in BO.

And i think the Republicans do think this is a good chance to regain control of the white house. i;m sure some Men In Black types could have a chat with Mr Paul and convince its in his best interests and do as he;s told. Would that be a surprise?

Jeez i'm becoming more and more paranoid, i'm turning into Mr Garibaldi.

Mort.
{Ed033's Note - Hopefully you're right Mort.}
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Discussion #477Talk Sense

13 Nov 2011 23:26:36
Has anyone else youtubed ?Recent mass ufo sightings around the world ? ?
Very weird . The ( can't think what to call it ) rockety thing over China maybe
the aurora project , but those spirals over Norway and then in Australia are
just bizarre , and a bit trippy.
Does anyone know more about these specific sightings , since this film was released ?

Cheers

JR

{Ed033's Note - There was a rumour that the Norway spiral could have been created by human black technology but I don't know why.}

 

With you on that ed!
It sure as hell wasn't a rocket like they'd like us to believe. Especially the Norway one, too perfect and bizarre. It actually looks almost like very decent cgi. Could it be H.A.A.R.P or Project Bluebeam? I would say there's a good chance it was one of these, maybe something we don't know about.... Yet!

Peace

Jay {Ed033's Note - I don't know. It coincided with Obama receiving his Nobel Peace Prize for expanding the war in the middle east. I don't know Project Blue Beam used to add to some bizarre ritual they were doing.}
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Discussion #476Talk Sense

13 Nov 2011 22:58:44
new lynx 2012 end of the world edition. And the bloke builds an ark. Are they for real?

 

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Discussion #475Talk Sense

13 Nov 2011 10:26:58
ed33 how many mayan long counts have we gone through? Didn't they count three or four? I mean homo sapiens has been about for millions of years but only civilisation for twelve thousand or so since the last ice age. So must stand to reason there was something before the ice age.

{Ed033's Note - A tough question - They may be claiming they went through 4 before and we are going to start number 5 soon. The mayans probably got their info about the long count either from an extra terrestrial race that educated their ancestors (in egypt, sumeria or Africa i.e. Anunnaki) or their ancestors were extra terrestrials themselves and came here and over time info was lost except for the astrological info. To speculate, lets say that just before the surface of planet Mars was destroyed a group came here and started again. They may have started their count from when they came here.}

 

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Discussion #474Talk Sense

13 Nov 2011 09:19:30
does anyone find it weird that royalty never seem to die at a youngish age, the queen mother died in her 90s , the queen is still mobile for her age,they seem never to get cancer, epilipsy , diabetic,heart problems,the only one who died young was princess di and we all know the royals and illuminati would not allow a muslim to marry the future kings mum.
frankyscouse

 

Not only them but the "super rich" too, J.D Rockerfeller lived untill he was 98 and how old is the current Rockerfeller guy?
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I think its somethin to do with monatomic gold! look it up!
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Only the good die young
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Frankyscouse the queen mum was over 100.

I think alot of it is to do with living very relaxing very comfortable lives. They don't do much, have flunkies for everything, can afford the very best of everything, and when something does go wrong they get the best of healthcare. Mort
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Mort i think that its a bit more to do than just that, cancer does not care if you have wealth but i cant remember that last royal to have cancer and deffo not young.
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Discussion #473Talk Sense

12 Nov 2011 20:15:25
ppl or eds does any body believe all the stories about the Illuminati controlling the music business.
The reason I am asking is I EXPECTED lady freako to turn up at the emas Belfast with something to support the all seeing eye theory .
However as good as Queen were and I mean fantastic I could not help but notice the stage back drop,a pyramid with a central beam of light like the all seeing eye.
Did anybody else see this
Lurgan Red
{Ed033's Note - The music business allegedly has some mind controlled people as part of it, taking part in rituals before peoples eyes without them knowing it. Britney and Gaga for instance over time it just gets more ridiculous. Gaga wearing dead animals for instance. This is necrophilia and Gaga is a hero/heroine to millions of teenage girls.

1:5 Anna Nicole / Britney: MInd Control - Freeman interview video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVfGX2scek

 

I have heard a few top rock musicians say they made a deal with old nick , dont know if they are telling the truth , but a few have said that anyway..............lfc

{Ed033's Note - There has always been rumours that certain rock/heavy metal groups are satanists etc.}
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You can find lots of symbolism within the Grateful Dead but they embrace it openly using it and LSD as a "way of seeing things more clearly." I followed for a while in my youth then learned the meaning a little and then found out about their being in boehemian grove and abandond them.
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TV = Mind Control box, they show u what they want u to see, not what u want to see. The news for example, making middle east people look like every single one of them are terrorists.. =.=

Kaizer
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The only Rock/Metal groups that have ever been accused of being satanist, are those that parents who dont want their children following i.e. The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Ozzy, Judas Priest & Iron Maiden, none of them ever proven to be satanists. If anyone says about listening to songs backwards, dont do it it ruins the vinyl and stylus, and proves nothing. There are openly satanic bands, they actually have their own genre Black Metal.
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It's a wasteland...you are helping to control yourself.
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