16 Nov 2012 22:01:57
ed, can someone just get rid of their identity? like destroy all their documents, if so what would happen.
like if the person without an identity did something wrong how would the law deal with him/her if they have no identity?
{Ed033's Note - As a flesh and blood man or woman operating under your inherent birth right, if you break natural law (cause harm, loss or injury to someone else, use fraud in your contracts with other people or breach the peace) then it doesn't matter whether you have identity documents or not. If found guilty, you will be punished.
As a flesh and blood man or woman operating under your inherent birth right, unless you consent, you are not subject to any statute law ("laws" created by a legislature (part of government)). Only persons/corporations/companies and employees (someone paid to perform functions of government) are subject to statute law. Therefore government issues identity documents (birth certificate, passport, national insurance number/social security number, driving license etc.) so they can presume everyone is an employee and subject to statute laws.
Giving up these identity documents i.e. sending them back to government, would make it more difficult to get a job, open a bank account, move about in a car, go abroad etc.
If you did give up the identity documents, they would still presume you were a person/corporation/company, employee or consent to being subject to statutes and they would ask for your name and address to identify yourself. Saying you don't have any identity documents wouldn't be enough. You would have to rebut their presumptions using affidavits.
It's still possible though to keep the identity documents and rebut their presumptions that you are not subject to statutes using affidavits but this is not an easy route to take.
I would suggest you watch the below Dean Clifford presentation and then type Dean Clifford into youtube and watch all the rest of his presentations
Hey ed033, thanks for the link, extremely interesting. Quick question as I'm sure you have a better grasp than myself. If I am working for a sole trader, and am registered with that sole trader under my title, with proof of my title being my Live Birth Certificate, am I exempt from income tax? As I am the beneficiary surely I don't owe myself income tax. I know it's a longshot haha. Cheers in advance
Melbourne CFC
{Ed033's Note - My answer, for entertainment purposes only, to start off, when the people who give you cash in exchange for your time and energy registered you, they presumably used a government document. This registered you as an employee (even if you showed the certificate of live birth) thus you would be subject to tax. You would have to void that document to the correct "authority" because you are now saying you're not an employee and you would then change your relationship with the people paying you so they would see you as a contractor and you would be operating in commerce under your inherent birth right.
Obviously then the tax "authorities" would continually "test" you so you would have to know enough to pass their "tests" until they give up and leave you alone. Dean Clifford is operating in commerce under his inherent birth right and doesn't pay tax so it is possible if you know enough
This would mean you wouldn't be entitled to (in u.k.) employee benefits such as paid breaks, paid holiday/vacation, sick pay and other government benefits you may be entitled to as an employee.
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What about the possibility of taking away your nationality?
LP
{Ed033's Note - Exactly, diplomatic immunity. If you're considered outside of the jurisdiction then you're not subject to the jurisdiction's statutes but you're still subject to natural law.
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