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Discussion #1432Talk Sense

07 Sep 2012 18:57:56
Is it just me or does anyone else see Ross Kemp as a propaganda merchant ?

Matt_RFC {Ed001's Note - I totally agree! He really gets on my nerves.}

 

Kemp does the pro pr stuff but i do think he is genuinely concerned for the men on the front line in Afghanistan and to be fair he does ask the men if they should be there,plus he does putt hes own ass in the firing line ,as for the other shows yeah i can see your point.
frankyscouse
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For "embededd journalist " read M.O.D. mouthpiece . Still its nice to see how our
brave occupation forces are keeping us
(and the opium and the gas) nice and safe.

JR
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Yes JR, my brother in law is in Afghan now he flys helicopters, he is very honest with me he says they should be renamed "Pipeline securities LTD"

Matt_RFC
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That is so true to word matt_RFC,and op's it is all about the pipelines.Tell me if i'm wrong..

red blancmonge..
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No red blancmonge your not wrong, its no coincidence the polish president was blocking a pipeline passing between Russia and Germany for gas. He was stopping it going through Poland and then his plane and all his cabinet died. Look up info on the pipeline funded by Nord Stream, needless to say at this moment in time the pipeline is on schedule. Its like the elephant in the room.

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Discussion #1431Talk Sense

07 Sep 2012 14:34:31
The sad thing is....people honestly believe that we're being told the truth by our own news channels.
Fact is, we're not!

The murdered cyclist, named as Sylvain Mollier worked at Cezus ( a subsidiary company of Areva).

Areva is a nuclear multinational, which is involved with uranium enrichment, and has ties to a company called Eurodiff.

During the reign of the Shah, Iran acquired a 10% stake of Eurodiff.

Areva deny supplying Iran with enriched uranium!

This was a Mossad hit, nothing to do with a family row.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

 

So the family were just in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Adam
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Didnt the family originally come from iraq ? if israel was behind this i thought they were targeting iran scientists etc

confused,mark d
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Yes the family came from Iraq. They also had a neighbour who has come out and said the police had been using his driveway to spy on the family from as far back as 2003. The guy who found them is (ex?) RAF and has claimed to have seen the other cyclist prior to the event overtaking him further back down the road. Also states he saw a car leaving the scene. Oh and before I forget, he also smashed the window on the car trying to 'look in' and waited 10 mins before calling an ambulance so his DNA has certainly contaminated the scene....

Huws
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Try typing into a search engine mossad +Saad al Hilli and you get quite a few hits but add MI6 and you get nothing mmm...very fishy
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Huws wheres the info comming from ?

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Discussion #1430Talk Sense

07 Sep 2012 12:42:44
just out of interest edds 1 and 33,what do you think are real genuine conspiracy's in your opinion?
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - how far back do you want to go franky? I mean there are those throughout history, or are you just asking about recent ones? Only you are leaving it very open to a huge list!}

 

Just give me your top 3 from anytime you want.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - cutting it down to just 3 is difficult, I mean there is 9/11, JFK, Marilyn Monroe, moon landings, etc etc. I think I will pick 3 a little more out of the ordinary, rather than ones everyone will automatically think of.
1. One of the most fascinating characters in history, in my opinion, is Temujin. Under the guise of Genghis Khan, he led the Mongols to rule the greatest empire in known history. His death is a source of mystery, but the conspiracy is that the western world let it be known his death was due to him falling off his horse. The greatest horseman, from the greatest horsemen in the world, they say, fell off his horse and died. To me, it was a deliberate attempt to take the edge off people' fears of a group of people that had conquered huge swathes of Asia by being better horsemen than anyone else. What better way to make them seem less scary than to lead people to believe that their greatest horseman was not so great.
2. Patriotism, a concept invented by medieval kings in order to get peasants to fight their wars. Still continued to this day, but now by corporations, I mean countries, to get the people to fight for oil or whatever they decide to fight over.
3. There were reports, written by Julius Caesar's scribes, that at least some of the population of Britain was black, when he invaded.}
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Well i agree with you , they are out of the ordinary lol, your first Genghis khan i cant really comment on,the most i have seen or read up on was a movie on filim 4 i think in subtitles ,about hes life growing up after hes farther was killed to hes friendship with hes mate ,was interesting like i said because i normally dont watch anything with subtitles.
your 2nd i think matt done a similar point about the same thing, and i do agree with you .
your last point i never had a clue about,so who imported black people to the uk?or was it the roman empire?
cheers edd
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - the Roman Empire found them here, I don't know in what numbers, I haven't been able to find out any more about it (well I haven't actually tried that hard to be fair!). The Romans, especially Julius Caesar's men, were scrupulous about recording everything, but most people weren't. It would be entirely possible it could be a portion of the Celts, who were not native to these shores, instead they were driven out of mainland Europe by the Roman incursion. It could just as easily be that Britons were black, who knows? Without seeing the full records, I certainly don't, but it was mentioned to me by an historian as an off hand comment, following him doing some work translating some finds. I never really gave it much thought, until recently when I saw some NF crap about keeping England white and it made me wonder. By the way sorry for the slow replies, Ed033 moved house today and I was helping him, well more doing all the work for him, while he stood and 'directed operations'. Talking of conspiracies, somehow he even ended up charging me for the privilege of helping him!}
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Interesting ones Ed.

Hadn't heard 1 before but given as the guy was by my maths mid 60's and had spent 50 years of his life on campaign and in battle then its a possibility, you know old age, weariness, wounds, illness, any combination could have weakened him.

I found this online "In late August 1227, after defeating the Tangut people, Genghis Khan died (according to The Secret History of the Mongols). The reason for his death is uncertain and speculations abound. Some historians maintain that he fell off his horse during a horseback pursuit from the land of present day Egypt due to battle wounds and physical fatigue, dying of his injuries.[40] Others contend that he was felled by a protracted illness such as pneumonia."

2. The manipulaton of the lower classes has always been around in one guise or another, was religion, became nationalism/ patriotism. The lies change the objective stays the same.

3. i've never heard that one before, any other info? {Ed001's Note - my personal belief on Genghis Khan, is that he was assassinated by the west, then they made up the story of him falling off his horse to lessen his legend. Because he really was built up to be a legend at the time. As for 3, it is not something I have given much thought about to be honest, I never really saw that it mattered, other than as something to shut up racist knobs.}
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Edd33 charging u for helping him?is he turning to the dark side?
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - seems like it.....}
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Genghis Khan was one of the most accomplished leaders of all time. He should be considered equal to Alexander and Julius Caesar, but he was demonised by the west and is often wrongfully called a tyrant.

There's a 13th century French text that says the Mongels were the most fearsome and unstoppable army in the world, and if they hadn't turned back of their own accord, they would have conquered all of Europe and Asia from sea to sea. Life today would certainly be different.
Like Ed001 said, the west were terrified of Genghis and the power he held.

I can recommend a very good book, Wolf of the Plains, by Conn Iggulden. It's historical fiction I know, and as with all historical fiction there's a degree of poetic licence to consider.
But it's still a great book!

Joe {Ed001's Note - Storm From The East is a very good place to start reading as well, not exhaustive, but an easy way into learning about Genghis.}
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Discussion #1429Talk Sense

06 Sep 2012 17:42:44
What about this horrendous shooting in France. We're not getting the true story on TV news.

Apparently, Saad Al-hilli the father, previously worked on Iraqs nuclear programme before moving to Britain, and was a target for Mossad who have been taking out Iraqi and Iranian scientists for years now.

Shooting happened on 5th September.....the same date as Israeli athletes were shot in Munich !

 

I was just going to say it reminds me of the film 'Munich', then I read your last sentence.....

R.I.P to the victims and much sympathy to the two little girls.

Adam
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Right enough! Ffs every single thing that happens in the world cant be a conspiracy! {Ed001's Note - well it could be....}
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Ed if you truly believe that then all your doing is diluting the real conspiracies! {Ed001's Note - what? Of course I truly believe it COULD be. It is quite simply the truth that it COULD be all a conspiracy. I think you missed the point completely mate. Just because it could be a conspiracy, does not mean it is one. I believe in very few conspiracy theories, I just keep an open mind, because there is no way I can be 100% certain that it is definitely not part of a conspiracy.}
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I just Googled the victim and under any circumstances i would say wrong place wrong time,but from hes occupation THIS IS DEFFO A PROFESSIONAL HIT.
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Ed your bordering on Quantum Mechanics now! A monkey COULD write shakespere.... Is it likely though? {Ed001's Note - no, but that doesn't mean you can prove it won't happen, it is just unlikely. It is also unlikely that a government would seek to attack its own people in order to increase its control over them. But that happens.}
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Discussion #1428Talk Sense

06 Sep 2012 11:48:32
Can any1 send me GOOD links on the mayans, doesnt have to be about the calendar, more to do with everything about them. Much appreciated. Thanks

 

John Major Jenkins (1 of 5) Jay Weidner's Smoke and Mirrors Radio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1qTa6Zje5U
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Cheers mate
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Any good videos? this is just a radio phone in, my mind wants to be stimulated with movies lol
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Discussion #1427Talk Sense

06 Sep 2012 08:46:31
Has anyone seen Corrie actor Bill Roache's bit of a mental breakdown on Yahoo?
He had this to say:

'Coronation Street' star Bill Roache reckons that the human race is moving on to a 'higher vibration' and that after 12 December the world will 'change dramatically'.

Roache, who's played Ken Barlow in the soap since 1960, made the comments about his beliefs in an interview with spiritual and metaphysical interest magazine 'Silent Voices'.He also says a homeopathic doctor once communicated with him using telepathy.

Speaking about the date of 12 December, which ancient civilisation the Mayans believed would signal a cataclysm on Earth, he said: “This will be the Golden Age, when a majority will know they are love and they are spiritual beings.

“The earth will continue to cleanse itself while material and negative things will collapse and cease to be.”

“I am not now, nor have I ever been a spiritualist” he added. “Understand we are all pure love, made in love, living in love. It is urgent to get this over. Time is running out.

“The energy and light of the Creator is love. Love is the life force, it is everything, it is the law of attraction. I have always known that there are beings around me, loving and guiding, and never more so than now.”

After his experience with telepathy, he went on to say that we shall all communicate in this way in the future.

“He was able to appear on the astral plane, come into a dream and actually speak to me that way,” he said of the doctor.

It's not the first time that Roache has spoken about his unorthodox beliefs.

In January this year, he said that he had used animal psychic Jackie Weaver to communicate with his dog Poppy.

“Jackie said Poppy even did an impersonation of my on-screen wife Deirdre, saying, 'Oh, Ken' in a drawn-out, exasperated way,” he said.

“I wasn't aware she'd ever watched me in the show.” [Daily Mirror/The Sun]


Does anyone think Bill has an insight or is just second-guessing his way through it all?

Khakipillowslip

 

Ha ha ha that's just made my day ha ha ha ha very funny

Craig
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Bill Roache is allegedly member of some druidic order. Others may be able to corroberate this; a friend of mine told me of being 'moved along' by the police from Stonehenge after a solstice gathering, so as to clear the area for use by a bunch of 'druids' amongst whose numbers stood the one and only Ken Barlow. They were in tunics and such type clothing.
This is what my friend told me.
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I'm not sure if I'm 100% right on this but, I'm sure Bill Roache is a Druid or follows Druid ways or something very similar
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Yeah saw that yesterday and was going to mention it and forgot, and yes he is a bit druidy, bit of an oddball. maybe this is how he's slept with a 1000 women or whatever number claimed, could all have been at different pagan rites.
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I won't be doing any Christmas shopping until after 21st of December just in case the Mayans and Ken Barlow are right!
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Discussion #1426Talk Sense

05 Sep 2012 23:46:32
ok human genome then. Twelve years ago scientists announced they'd mapped the whole human genome. At the time they said they only understood what 2% of it did. Today they said that they now understand what 80% of it does. How it works on organs by telling cells what chemicals and proteins to produce. Basically its nothing more than a huge organic computer program. Designed for life. The implications of course are potentially massive. And of course there is still the unknown 20%

 

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Discussion #1425Talk Sense

05 Sep 2012 20:00:13
what do we think of todays human genome news? Exciting or frightening?

 

What news is that then...
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Its great, now we can start breeding for the Kwisatz Haderach.
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Discussion #1424Talk Sense

05 Sep 2012 17:42:31
hey ed,watched a documentary about the iraq war a few years ago,remembered how it showed how iraqi generals had been bought by the yanks the year before,showed a lot of brand new tanks and planes hidden and not used against the yanks,was an eye opener of a documentary.do u recall it ed?cant mind what it was called ,wouldnt mind watching it again.

{Ed033's Note - I don't know whether this is the documentary but it's a good one about the profits made on the Iraq War

Iraq for Sale - The War Profiteers - directed by Robert Greenwald

 

Cheers for that ed,not had a chance to watch it yet,watch it after my nightshift tonite.
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Discussion #1423Talk Sense

05 Sep 2012 08:32:35
just watched a great documentary on netflix called the oath about two men, Abu Jandal and Salim Ahmed Hamdan, jandal was the bodyguard for bin laden for a year hamdan was on the payroll as a taxi driver nothing more, after 9/11 the Pakistanis and fbi capture hamdan and extradite him to Guantanamo bay, i wont give you all the story check it out or it might be on youtube.
frankyscouse

 

Anychance of a link to this franky? searched but couldnt find anything with that name
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Hey mate just go to netflix and get it for 1 month free trial after 3 weeks cancel it and you will not be charged,no hidden costs or nothing,to be honest my mate told me about it and i have kept netlix £5.99 a month, hundreds of movies/ documentaries/tv shows etc etc but like i said go for the trial then cancel after 3 weeks and you will not be charged.
frankyscouse
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Thank's alot mate :)
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Franky are you on commission from netflix :) ?

Matt_RFC
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Sorry matt for the late reply,nah i wish i on commission ,worth it even for the trial,ffs i cant help it ,it looks like i am trying to plug it lol.
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Discussion #1422Talk Sense

04 Sep 2012 10:02:08
Just wondering, have any of you guys heard of the Slenderman? Definitely worth a read. A few video's on youtube too.
Lenny.

 

Done a bit of reading up on The Slenderman. There is a few similarities between him and Spring Healed Jack.

Aaron
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Just wached the 10 min doc on youtube will definitely be looking into this one more, thanks op. BLUE_TOWNZ
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Whats it about ?
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Entire thing is a hoax, it wasn't even a real myth/legend to begin with. It was invented not that long ago, and people started doing competitions for pictures/vids involving Slenderman.

Nothing in it at all. Its creepy but no more relevant or real than say, the Blair Withc Project.

RED_SKY
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Cant comment on slenderman but like Aaron mentioned spring heeled jack has been sighted or a urban myth for over a 100 years,sightings all over the country.
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Discussion #1421Talk Sense

03 Sep 2012 23:28:19
just watching gladiator and its the bit where russell crowe's fighting the big german dude and there's four tigers chained in pits. Now tigers as we know come from india so there must have been some trade. India was known as Alexander the Great had reached india five hundred years or so earlier. But there seems to be no record of Romano-Indian trade.

 

It's a film so it's not going to be 100% accurate

{Ed033's Note - There was trade between india and Rome. Rome was trading all over the world. Also a Roman shipwreck was found off the coast of Brazil near Rio di Janiero but that was kept quiet.
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Cheers ed33 re the gladiator/tigers/india trade topic. To the other guy who replied i know its a film and films especially in hollywood are not a hundred per cent accurate. Indeed there are many factual, historical, and costume inaccuracies in gladiator but the tiger thing got me. They could easily have used lions, which there is documented evidence for lions being used in the games and also were easier to acquire, but they used tigers for some reason. There have been suggestions for years that trade amongst the ancient world was more widespread than originally thought. Maybe i'm over reaching but its certainly a possibility. Also the editor mentions the shipwreck of a roman galley off the brazilian coast. I remember reading about that as a kid how they were turning up all these amphorae by the dozen. Supposedly they were blown off course. Well thats some strong storm to blow them all the way to south america without sinking before hand. The fact is that there is a lot of stuff in classical and pre history that we don't know about or is kept secret or covered up. Its heresy and career suicide to go against the prevailing orthodoxy in the academic world.
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Why would a discovery of a boat off of brazil be covered up? i dont get it, what would be the point? {Ed001's Note - because it would go a long way towards proving that the history we are taught in school is false. Mind we already know most of it is complete nonsense, the Romans never built any roads, for starters, they just improved the existing roads, turned them from grass tracks into proper roads. A boat like that would prove that countries that we are told had no contact, were actually in regular contact and trading together.}
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I follow that train of thought that it would show that some of the history being taught is wrong but i can't see the benefit of hiding that knowledge, lots of things learnt in schools, say 60 years ago, are not taught or have been adapted to include new evidence and discoveries i can't see that this would be any different.

I'm by no means saying your wrong or i disbelieve it but i just can't see what it would achieve by pretending it never happened and the history books are 100% correct. What am i missing?
Tom {Ed001's Note - because it completely changes numerous things, admitting the technology was there to navigate around the world. It calls into question all the beliefs regarding the Sphinx and Pyramids, for starters. All those things that 'conspiracy theorists' have been saying about them, well it would be much more believable now.}
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Agreed Ed, it changes so many preceptions and commonly held ideas. The Romans were great engineers just look at whats left to us like the Colisseum, and that Aquaduct in France, the really big one. No one has been about to recreate Roman cement after all.

I disgaree slightly with you on the roads Ed. Yes whilst they did just build over existing grass tracks it still took a bit of doing as was building per se as opposed to just wlaking over a bit of grass but thats my only quibble.

Its like the Monty Pyhton sketch though, what did the Romans ever do for us? And if there was trade between South America, the Far East and Rome then it changes the whole ball game as these places should not have known about each other until a 1000 years later.

We know that Columbus wasn't the first to America, but now maybe it seems the Vikings wasn't either. And was Marco Polo really the first Italian at the Chinese Court? Intriguing. {Ed001's Note - Marco Polo wasn't the first, it is well known that he was merely following a well trodden path to the East. He was just the first to record what he did. That is why Romans are held up as inventors of so many things, they didn't do them first, they are just the ones who kept records of everything. In particular Julius Caesar, who was determined to leave a mark in history by having every detail of his life recorded. By the way, many Roman roads were not built on grass tracks, they just improved the top layer used, so that it was more usable, all year round. The Romans were very like the Japanese, in recent years, they didn't create and invent things, they took existing technology and improved it.}
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