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Ok Ed fair enough i could understand that for say the Bush's of the world the elite and such, but what about your common or garden variety criminal? They haven't been brainwashed or are part of the elite, what causes them to go bad? is it breeding and ennvironment, circumstance?

But no good point thats what i was saying regards Bush or Kennedy or whatever, born into these elite families, with all the pressures that brings, and with parents like those, that combination of environment and breeding sets them up anyway, and then they are expectded to be in power, have it all on a plate. Throw in whatever goes on behind closed doors, your rituals or whatever.....

{Ed033's Note - Ok my take on the common or garden variety people.

1. a certain percentage of the general population (more than you might expect) are psychopaths and thus have no empathy so can carry out evil acts with no problem.

2. some people actually commit crimes/evil acts so that they can be caught because they want help or are mentally disturbed and want help.

3. some people on a £500 a day drug habit seem to think they have no choice but to commit crimes.

4. Charles manson's group carried out the evil acts they did because charles manson somehow had an amazing persuasive personality.

5. Experiments have shown that some people just do as an authority figure tells them to do. There have been a couple of experiments where people were told to administer electric shocks to people who got a task wrong. They were pretend electric shocks with actors but people gave what they thought was a deadly amount of electric current to people when told to do so.

6. A lot of the serial killers or even the alleged "lone nut assassins" (Sirhan Sirhan, Mark David Chapman) were allegedly mind controlled by government agencies, tavistock institute for example.}

"The going in hypothesis is always that it's just an incident or coincidence," she said. "And if every incident is seen in isolation, it's hard - if not impossible - to discern a pattern or connect the dots."

"Failure to connect the dots led us to be surprised on 9/11," she said.

Lani Kass, a former advisor to the US Joint Chiefs of Staff on security issues

And so it begins, next comes a very strong "its was not us and how dare you accuse us of such a thing" from the Russians, the media will have field day.
Hopefully this time people see through the lies and don't cry out for war, without knowing the facts like they did with Afghanistan.

always a red

Well it looks like at school when you do your own stained glass window using sugar paper, tape and either coloured tissue paper or plastic..

Haven't a clue, how bizarre.

Raz i never said born innately good, i just think people are bron in balance, something then tips people one way or another, i think its in everyone's way to be good or bad but various triggers push them one way or the other. We're all capable of kind acts and we are all capable at times of doing wrong. Some people tend to go to extremes of either. What triggers this?

{Ed033's Note - Allegedly people in the negative "illuminati" / ruling class, brainwash their children to believe that everyone of "the public" ie not one of them are slaves/chattle/sub human etc. because they believe it to be true because they were brainwashed themselves when they were children which means they have no empathy. These negative "illuminati" / ruling class types allegedly treat each other badly as they believe there is some kind of hierarchy with you treating people "below" you badly.

A second reason is that at some point these ruling class types become corrupted/owned by what they have done typically at rituals and can't get out so have to go along with the negative agenda otherwise risking exposure or being eliminated.

A third reason that people like David Icke says is that people attending these rituals become possessed by other negative entities that have no empathy so then the person possessed no longer has empathy even if they did originally. }

It happened in tipperary about 30 years ago. Im sure you could find it on google.

PS... If you find something could you post a link so if anyone else wants to look at it

Irish Red

Lol Raz, you disappeared for a while, thought you might have been abducted lol.

Azza

I strongly disagree with that statement that nobody is born eveil. That is just your good side talking. If there is a chance that someone can be born innately good then there is as much chance they can be born innately eveil. Read a book called 'We Need To Talk About Kevin', then come back and tell me how you feel :-).

Raz

Wow just seen that argument you were referencing. To that poster let me remind you that no man is infallable. And when followed blindly, especially in the name of religion, great travesties occur. You compared spaeking out against the Catholic church to the Holocaust. Wow. Actually you're blind adherrence to Papal authority is more akin to the Nazi movement than anything you mentioned. I'm sure there were threats of "say that about Hitler in Hamburgh" during the 40's. You're wide eyed optimismn in you're religious leaders in enlightening and alarming. The fact that such fervor can still be found is shocking.

So Ed you have been offered a night out in Glasgow at a pub of the posters choosing most likely Bairds Bar since he has played the sectarian card so early, he clearly is in denial of the facts. If he would care to google ODESSA that would be a good starting point for him then try the Red Cross and the Vatican, both are as guilty as each other at least the Red Cross have held there hands up and admitted it was chaos after the war and they couldnt cope with the paperwork. The Vatican still have their archives closed and refuse to comment making everyone wonder what they are hiding

Daz

Considering vatican, how much truth is there about mary magdalene and vatican's efforts to hush-hush christ marriage so that church's control doesn't go to jesus's heir
U.P.

Irish red

Im irish 2 where outs was it im curious not douting just curious

Irish Red

Where about was that? I'm Irish myself!

G.A.G.U.S

A few years back not to far away from from my house 6 fella's messed with 1 and within 3 weeks they were all killed. Two drowned in a lake , three in a car crash and and the last fella killed him self but this is the most freaky part. He had written on the wall in blood ''Stop talking to me ''

Irish Red

{Ed033's Note - The ouija board can be used to "communicate" with "spirits" and are very dangerous to mess with.}

Seeing as the Pope is supposed to be in Jesus' place until he returns, the pope should do as Jesus would and give all the money away and follow God

{Ed033's Note - The energy efficient light bulbs in your house are ruining your health.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS5ogZxoZ2Y&feature=player_embedded#!

Could not agree more with the ed, the amount of facts you can read about these "subjects" is unbelievable, you should stop saying what you feel and what you know no name.

JWalk

Your the one who is making baseless sectarian accusations. I would challenge you to repeat what you said here tonight in a pub of my choosing in Glasgow. See how brave you are! I reckon you would last one minute max!! {Ed001's Note - so now you are threatening me? I don't think it is me that is showing a lack of bravery by making threats over the internet against someone with something to say you don't like. Sad little internet warrior with nothing but false accusations to make against others. I told you to look for yourself, but you would far rather whine like a little brat because you are obviously too scared to look it up and find out that just maybe I might be right.}

Where`s your proof? you can`t just claim these things happened without concrete proof. Your a bigot! {Ed001's Note - grow up. Try doing some research and you will find it is the truth. Instead of making baseless and completely false accusations, you might want to check the veracity of the information out for yourself. Stop being a sheep and find things out for yourself.}

Aided the nazis in their escape. Let me enlighten you edd, the USA secretly took endless amounts of nazi scientists to live and work on there science programmes, evading justice! {Ed001's Note - and your point is? I already knew that, it is common knowledge that both the US and Russia took their pick of the top Nazi brains to aid their space race. The Catholic Church was aiding those Nazis that weren't wanted for anything other than war crimes. They had a team of priests forging documents, including passports, so they could flee the incoming allies and justice for the crimes they committed.}