02 Jun 2016 12:33:54
Dont get me wrong i'd rather see a strong Russia than a weak Russia. And after the collapse of the 90's under the buffoon things were a mess. But if the price is the erosion of freedom is it worth it.
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02 Jun 2016 12:09:22
I will kim, thanks for giving me somewhere to start.
Read discussionI will kim, thanks for giving me somewhere to start.
02 Jun 2016 09:40:04
Start with Litvinenko and Anna Politkovskaya.
Read discussionStart with Litvinenko and Anna Politkovskaya.
02 Jun 2016 09:41:03
Ah real socialism. Which flavours that one?
Read discussionAh real socialism. Which flavours that one?
02 Jun 2016 09:38:43
franky there can be no people's party. We should neither hope nor wait for others to show us the light. Individuals are transient and once these leaders leave these plains we often return to our previous condition. If we instead accept the responsibility of leading ourselves we organically form a democracy.
Hellenes, just like all other human beings, have the spirit fighting through them. As more and more people find the courage to stand up and act while having recognized and accepted the risks from doing so, the closer we will be to true change.
In regards to the politicians mentioned, Tsipras spoke openly about his program at a lodge in Texas before being elected and Varoufakis has always admitted he is pro-EU and pro-establishment. If I recall correctly I shared the part about Tsipras before his election and before the referendum whose results he ignored. Admittedly, until a few years before that I used to also suffer from the disney princess syndrome or spiritus domesticus.
Read discussionfranky there can be no people's party. We should neither hope nor wait for others to show us the light. Individuals are transient and once these leaders leave these plains we often return to our previous condition. If we instead accept the responsibility of leading ourselves we organically form a democracy.
Hellenes, just like all other human beings, have the spirit fighting through them. As more and more people find the courage to stand up and act while having recognized and accepted the risks from doing so, the closer we will be to true change.
In regards to the politicians mentioned, Tsipras spoke openly about his program at a lodge in Texas before being elected and Varoufakis has always admitted he is pro-EU and pro-establishment. If I recall correctly I shared the part about Tsipras before his election and before the referendum whose results he ignored. Admittedly, until a few years before that I used to also suffer from the disney princess syndrome or spiritus domesticus.
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TTTS · 02 Jun 2016 08:06
TTTS · 02 Jun 2016 08:0602 Jun 2016 09:01:31
Ilk vote out, not because of Johnstone or Ukip etc but in the quest for real socialism.
Read discussionIlk vote out, not because of Johnstone or Ukip etc but in the quest for real socialism.
02 Jun 2016 03:59:18
Well I've always believed anything you write on the internet is monitored. Even this webpage.
Read discussionWell I've always believed anything you write on the internet is monitored. Even this webpage.
02 Jun 2016 03:07:17
Out .
Read discussionOut .
02 Jun 2016 03:08:04
Out!
Read discussionOut!
02 Jun 2016 03:11:16
As well as all cousins
my two brothers
My parents and partner
And her family and her brother and sister
Every one I have spoken to wants out people in shopping centres to taxi drivers to the people I work with.
Read discussionAs well as all cousins
my two brothers
My parents and partner
And her family and her brother and sister
Every one I have spoken to wants out people in shopping centres to taxi drivers to the people I work with.
02 Jun 2016 02:36:33
As I have already said kim I don't know enough about Russia or putin to comment, I accept he is a ruthless individual, no question about it, I shall have to do some research on the subject.
Read discussionAs I have already said kim I don't know enough about Russia or putin to comment, I accept he is a ruthless individual, no question about it, I shall have to do some research on the subject.
01 Jun 2016 22:10:11
Point taken ed033, how would they go about it, just release wrong results or do they need to change polling cards?
Read discussionPoint taken ed033, how would they go about it, just release wrong results or do they need to change polling cards?
01 Jun 2016 21:20:52
But look at the way he got that cast iron grip. Look at the censorship. How many dead journalists and political opponents.
He's a determined and ruthless individual.
Read discussionBut look at the way he got that cast iron grip. Look at the censorship. How many dead journalists and political opponents.
He's a determined and ruthless individual.
01 Jun 2016 20:14:53
I'm out (surprise surprise) but don't think it'll be rigged don't think it needs to be, they've put the leg work in before hand.
Either way the months following will be very interested as this will split politics as we know it.
Read discussionI'm out (surprise surprise) but don't think it'll be rigged don't think it needs to be, they've put the leg work in before hand.
Either way the months following will be very interested as this will split politics as we know it.
01 Jun 2016 21:15:11
I'll vote out, all-day till the cows come home.
Read discussionI'll vote out, all-day till the cows come home.
01 Jun 2016 21:17:43
Corbyn should have stuck to his convictions. Now he looks like another establishment puppet. Does that help his "healthy" mandate? Instead he's just playing the game most usual politicians play.
It'll be interesting to see what changes he makes though.
Read discussionCorbyn should have stuck to his convictions. Now he looks like another establishment puppet. Does that help his "healthy" mandate? Instead he's just playing the game most usual politicians play.
It'll be interesting to see what changes he makes though.
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hsf · 01 Jun 2016 18:52
hsf · 01 Jun 2016 18:5201 Jun 2016 19:47:31
Out.
We'll remain in though, the vote will be fixed. It's designed to make you feel like you have a say, but the truth of the matter is that we don't.
Read discussionOut.
We'll remain in though, the vote will be fixed. It's designed to make you feel like you have a say, but the truth of the matter is that we don't.
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frankyscouser · 01 Jun 2016 18:03
frankyscouser · 01 Jun 2016 18:0301 Jun 2016 18:58:46
corbyn on a hiding to nothing in or out, I really do not think he is pro establishment, his history proves as much .
the way I see it he might have thought his healthy labour members mandate might have dwindled if he voted out, then you can be sure once that happened the right wing (moderates ) would have called for a leadership election, a bit like what is going to happen to cameron in the next few months.
am drifting off the subject here but corbyn wants to make internal changes to the labour party that will make it a lot smoother for the type of politicians we really need.
Read discussioncorbyn on a hiding to nothing in or out, I really do not think he is pro establishment, his history proves as much .
the way I see it he might have thought his healthy labour members mandate might have dwindled if he voted out, then you can be sure once that happened the right wing (moderates ) would have called for a leadership election, a bit like what is going to happen to cameron in the next few months.
am drifting off the subject here but corbyn wants to make internal changes to the labour party that will make it a lot smoother for the type of politicians we really need.
Reply · frankyscouser · 01 Jun 2016 17:06
frankyscouser · 01 Jun 2016 17:0601 Jun 2016 17:46:57
normally I would agree edd but this time you have two establishments infighting and even the monarchy have cold feet.
so rigging the vote one way or another would be strange
(if it is 60/ 40 I take it back lol )
the impression I get it is very split on in or out .
you would think lab voters would remain but unless it directly effects you I think they are more out then in
its a crying shame about yanis varoufakis and Tsipras,
i loved the spirit of the greeks and thought they had a party that were fighting alongside them zari?
good to know kenny your not getting brainwashed by snp spiel about remaining.
a side note david icke did say in one of his books that 2016 would be a year were massive changes happen,
could it be the EU vote that will have a massive knock on effect around the globe?
Read discussionnormally I would agree edd but this time you have two establishments infighting and even the monarchy have cold feet.
so rigging the vote one way or another would be strange
(if it is 60/ 40 I take it back lol )
the impression I get it is very split on in or out .
you would think lab voters would remain but unless it directly effects you I think they are more out then in
its a crying shame about yanis varoufakis and Tsipras,
i loved the spirit of the greeks and thought they had a party that were fighting alongside them zari?
good to know kenny your not getting brainwashed by snp spiel about remaining.
a side note david icke did say in one of his books that 2016 would be a year were massive changes happen,
could it be the EU vote that will have a massive knock on effect around the globe?
01 Jun 2016 15:48:19
I don't get to vote franky but if I did, I would vote out. No rational person would would wish to be managed as a resource by a remotely located and centralized private corporation. Covert oligarchies with pseudo-election processes have had their millennia and their work always results in self-destruction.
No more trustees and limited referendums. Let's try some real democracy.
Varoufakis and Tsipras are children of the establishment. Pro-EU, pro-central management, pro-capitalist. anti-symbiotism = parasitism.
Read discussionI don't get to vote franky but if I did, I would vote out. No rational person would would wish to be managed as a resource by a remotely located and centralized private corporation. Covert oligarchies with pseudo-election processes have had their millennia and their work always results in self-destruction.
No more trustees and limited referendums. Let's try some real democracy.
Varoufakis and Tsipras are children of the establishment. Pro-EU, pro-central management, pro-capitalist. anti-symbiotism = parasitism.