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Reply · MrJonesy · 25 Nov 2015 05:38
25 Nov 2015 06:35:24
Cheers guys, but in the end its a sad thing to be thanked for. It shocks me not by Sky news articles or Rt articles (leaning to each bias) but the comment sections are truly shocking, people reading and following get whipped into such a frenzy and say the most horrendous things to each other, promote genocide, become literally barbarians suggesting things worse than isis on each other. These are the people that are just slaves to the powers that be to keep this divide and rule crap going.
Im not promoting multiculturalism i'm promoting us all to embrace our differences and work with them to benefit each other. But unfortunately we don't live in a utopia do we.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 24 Nov 2015 17:15
24 Nov 2015 18:12:54
good post jonesy and we all forget about people dying I also send my condolences kim.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 24 Nov 2015 16:26
24 Nov 2015 17:19:21
Having everyone in an uncoordinated effort was always going to lead to a mess. This is moving faster than I expected.

Yes Putin won't take just an apology. I do think he will push to see how nato reacts.

And thank you MrJonesy.
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Reply · MrJonesy · 24 Nov 2015 14:02
24 Nov 2015 14:56:28
Lavrov just canceled his trip to Turkey and advised the Russian people to cancel their flights and plans. This seems very serious and almost expected, which to me is the more worrying thing, I almost saw this happening (a conflict between powers not this exact situation) but surely the powers that be saw this potential in the sky over Syria and did nothing about it.

Also Kim I would like to send my condolences to you for your countrymen lost in the commercial flight, and military flight.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 24 Nov 2015 12:49
24 Nov 2015 13:40:20
the only positive I can take from this is, it looked like cameron was going to get the nod to join in the bombing, now its a major setback, corbyn will use this incident no doubt and public opinion will dampen those who want us going in.

putin like I have mentioned in older posts is very clever and will use this to his benefit.
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Reply · TTTS · 24 Nov 2015 12:49
24 Nov 2015 13:46:20
Turkey doing the dirty work for NATO. Wouldn't dare do it without knowing it has backing surely. If a renegade attack by a NATO member they will have to deal with this ASAP. Cut ties with them.
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Reply · HERBIE · 24 Nov 2015 12:40
24 Nov 2015 13:39:09
I can't see an apology been enough for Putin, he is seriously pi$$ed at this, he has already practically accused Turkey of been 'accomplises of terrorism'.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 24 Nov 2015 12:27
24 Nov 2015 13:26:00
Well both Putin and erdogun are head cases. They have to be a public strong man so its a matter of prestige.

It depends on how willing the rest of nato is to support turkey.

But Obama is a coward and backs down constantly. Putin has the measure of him. France needs Russia's support in the UN for its anti Isis coalition so Putin can threaten the veto. And no one really pays any attention to Cameron.

I can see turkey being pressured into an apology for a quick response. But it won't go down well.
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Reply · HERBIE · 24 Nov 2015 12:25
24 Nov 2015 13:24:08
Now a Russian helicopter has apparently been shot down.
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Reply · HERBIE · 24 Nov 2015 12:12
24 Nov 2015 13:12:02
Yep he considers this 'A stab in the back from Turkey'
Kim, you know how Russia works so how do you think this will pan out from now on?
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Reply · Rian · 24 Nov 2015 11:49
24 Nov 2015 12:29:08
Wasn't the term 'global warming' replaced with the more politically malleable term 'climate change' when they realised very few people bought into it.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 24 Nov 2015 10:38
24 Nov 2015 11:31:17
A bit like Obama coming after bush. Obama's continued the deregulation of the financial industry and further eroded civil liberties.

To be honest I've never seen such a motley collection of presidential candidates.
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Reply · Rian · 24 Nov 2015 10:13
24 Nov 2015 11:12:55
Yes Ed001 I completely agree and I fear that person is none other than Jeb Bush.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 24 Nov 2015 08:35
24 Nov 2015 09:29:53
that is why blair is looked at by some idiots as a great leader because he proceeded thatcher, in reality he done more harmful things to the party and the people.
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Reply · Kaizer · 24 Nov 2015 07:12
24 Nov 2015 07:46:29
i agree with what ed001 is saying here.
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Reply · growbun28 · 23 Nov 2015 20:21
23 Nov 2015 21:19:26
Here is a coudenhove-kaligeri quote:

The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.
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Reply · Kim Philby · 23 Nov 2015 20:18
23 Nov 2015 21:17:18
Never said it didn't. I just explained one version.

Blowing yourself up for religion makes no sense to me either.
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Reply · HERBIE · 23 Nov 2015 20:10
23 Nov 2015 20:38:47
Tony Bliar was another who won the prize.
Say no more.
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