17 Nov 2015 14:54:38
it really makes no sense for isis or whoever to get russia involved,
the west do not want russia anywhere near syria so you can rule them out, isis now want to get bombed from everyone?
who really gains from that plane getting bombed? before it went down msm were hot on putin backing a so called dictator, threatening many things against russia. anyone who thinks how could a government use an incident like that to justify military action should google the gulf of tonkin incident, as for arrests made, the guilford 4 and LHO to name a few proves its not that hard to frame people.
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17 Nov 2015 12:57:28
In my not so professional opinion it always seemed to me when a government or some sort of organisation declared a terrorist or some kind of false flag attack. It was reported immediately in the msm with some underlying agenda. I just don't feel the same about this one, the Russians again in my opinion would just go in without needing a pretext and it took a while for them to break the news. But again you never know, anybody can be up to anything.
Read discussionIn my not so professional opinion it always seemed to me when a government or some sort of organisation declared a terrorist or some kind of false flag attack. It was reported immediately in the msm with some underlying agenda. I just don't feel the same about this one, the Russians again in my opinion would just go in without needing a pretext and it took a while for them to break the news. But again you never know, anybody can be up to anything.
17 Nov 2015 12:01:22
More likely Mossad pulling the strings on this imo Franky.
Read discussionMore likely Mossad pulling the strings on this imo Franky.
17 Nov 2015 10:04:58
how do you stop them?
find out who funds them
take them alive instead of killing them
stop the bombing of the middle east that will create even more sympathises.
Read discussionhow do you stop them?
find out who funds them
take them alive instead of killing them
stop the bombing of the middle east that will create even more sympathises.
16 Nov 2015 23:54:13
So this could help push through things such as the increased air strikes in Syria, the so called 'snoopers charter' the Tories are trying to push through? Just as an example.
Read discussionSo this could help push through things such as the increased air strikes in Syria, the so called 'snoopers charter' the Tories are trying to push through? Just as an example.
16 Nov 2015 13:20:14
Rothschild, Rockefeller anyone?
Read discussionRothschild, Rockefeller anyone?
16 Nov 2015 20:40:07
Here's a quote from King al Faisal Al Saud in 1969.
“We, the Saudi family, are cousins of the Jews: we entirely disagree with any Arab or Muslim Authority which shows any antagonism to the Jews; but we must live together with them in peace. Our country (Arabia) is the Fountain head from where the first Jew sprang, and his descendants spread out all over the world. â€
The Wahhabi are an integral part of, but by no means running the Zionist new world order. It's very difficult for most people to think they could be aligned with the Zionist agenda, but they are and have been for a very long time.
Read discussionHere's a quote from King al Faisal Al Saud in 1969.
“We, the Saudi family, are cousins of the Jews: we entirely disagree with any Arab or Muslim Authority which shows any antagonism to the Jews; but we must live together with them in peace. Our country (Arabia) is the Fountain head from where the first Jew sprang, and his descendants spread out all over the world. â€
The Wahhabi are an integral part of, but by no means running the Zionist new world order. It's very difficult for most people to think they could be aligned with the Zionist agenda, but they are and have been for a very long time.
16 Nov 2015 09:53:42
interesting view kim, what has made you come to that conclusion?
Read discussioninteresting view kim, what has made you come to that conclusion?
16 Nov 2015 08:44:02
As an example say you leave the house and go to the big shopping centre to do your Christmas shopping. It would take a team of a minimum of 6 in rotating patterns. More like 10. And that's on foot. And every person you speak to has to be checked. As we're using Hollywood films as the standard of realism watch the 3rd Bourne film in the train station and count how many are there.
Read discussionAs an example say you leave the house and go to the big shopping centre to do your Christmas shopping. It would take a team of a minimum of 6 in rotating patterns. More like 10. And that's on foot. And every person you speak to has to be checked. As we're using Hollywood films as the standard of realism watch the 3rd Bourne film in the train station and count how many are there.
16 Nov 2015 10:03:24
kim you mention the kgb would have took no chances if it meant the country could be under attack in the future, I think every western country would do exactly the same (not as crudely as the old soviet union) but let's just say bogus charges/accidents and deaths related to gang culture would be used to take out any extremists that could attack the establishment .
Read discussionkim you mention the kgb would have took no chances if it meant the country could be under attack in the future, I think every western country would do exactly the same (not as crudely as the old soviet union) but let's just say bogus charges/accidents and deaths related to gang culture would be used to take out any extremists that could attack the establishment .
16 Nov 2015 08:27:38
That's what needs to be done. You can fight these people by threatening to take them to the headteacher and give them lines.
Read discussionThat's what needs to be done. You can fight these people by threatening to take them to the headteacher and give them lines.
16 Nov 2015 07:57:06
To monitor 2000 suspects 24 hours a day 7 days a week would take somewhere in the region of 50000 personnel. 3 times the current size of mi5. Even the kgb in its heyday would have struggled with that task. Although the kgb would have just rounded them all up and shot them. Easier and cheaper.
Read discussionTo monitor 2000 suspects 24 hours a day 7 days a week would take somewhere in the region of 50000 personnel. 3 times the current size of mi5. Even the kgb in its heyday would have struggled with that task. Although the kgb would have just rounded them all up and shot them. Easier and cheaper.
15 Nov 2015 23:15:14
If The West (US, UK etc) wasn't directly involved then they at least knew about the plot and chose to do little to prevent it. That's my opinion.
With all the surveillance and monitoring we experience on a daily basis, I find it impossible to believe that no one knew this attack was coming.
This incident is uncannily perfect for them at the moment. When public support for the wars in The Middle East are on the wane, oh look, here's a Syrian, Muslim terrorist. Another excuse to continue our destabilisation of that area as well as removing yet more rights and freedoms this side of the world.
Alternatively - say this was a genuine terrorist attack. What purpose does all this surveillance/ data control serve? IF YOU CAN'T STOP TERRORIST ATTACKS THEN GIVE ME BACK MY FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS! Sorry for shouting.
Read discussionIf The West (US, UK etc) wasn't directly involved then they at least knew about the plot and chose to do little to prevent it. That's my opinion.
With all the surveillance and monitoring we experience on a daily basis, I find it impossible to believe that no one knew this attack was coming.
This incident is uncannily perfect for them at the moment. When public support for the wars in The Middle East are on the wane, oh look, here's a Syrian, Muslim terrorist. Another excuse to continue our destabilisation of that area as well as removing yet more rights and freedoms this side of the world.
Alternatively - say this was a genuine terrorist attack. What purpose does all this surveillance/ data control serve? IF YOU CAN'T STOP TERRORIST ATTACKS THEN GIVE ME BACK MY FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS! Sorry for shouting.
16 Nov 2015 01:01:25
I have calmed down down and back to my own (question everything) self. However with regards to extremism I KNOW for certain UK people are going to Syria to fight/die for this cause. My town of East Kilbride just outside Glasgow has had a Scottish born (Pakistani) origin leave here to join IS. This has not been reported in any way however he was a customer of the (Muslim / Indian curry house and kebab shop I worked for). He was a good tipper and an engineer. He was always a bit of a stoner until about 6-10 months ago he all of a sudden had cut his long hair and had grown a beard. Previously his friends were mostly white (presumably Christians). So yes IS is real but how or why are generally normal some would say secular Muslims going to join this cause??
Read discussionI have calmed down down and back to my own (question everything) self. However with regards to extremism I KNOW for certain UK people are going to Syria to fight/die for this cause. My town of East Kilbride just outside Glasgow has had a Scottish born (Pakistani) origin leave here to join IS. This has not been reported in any way however he was a customer of the (Muslim / Indian curry house and kebab shop I worked for). He was a good tipper and an engineer. He was always a bit of a stoner until about 6-10 months ago he all of a sudden had cut his long hair and had grown a beard. Previously his friends were mostly white (presumably Christians). So yes IS is real but how or why are generally normal some would say secular Muslims going to join this cause??
15 Nov 2015 20:37:15
Hsf,
Yes, I have seen the same sort of videos. Blood and guts is an understatement.
Read discussionHsf,
Yes, I have seen the same sort of videos. Blood and guts is an understatement.
15 Nov 2015 20:23:41
Daggers, you saying about impact wounds from the bullets, you are totally correct, there would be more than just a bullet hole.
I say this in every movie I watch, when you see a sniper hit the perfect 1000 yard head shot and it's just a small red dot on his fore head, laughable - I watched a real video of an SAS sniper shot in Afghanistan and this was from nearly 2 miles away, it hit the guy in the shoulder and ripped his entire arm including the shoulder socket, collar bone and half his rib cage out.
Read discussionDaggers, you saying about impact wounds from the bullets, you are totally correct, there would be more than just a bullet hole.
I say this in every movie I watch, when you see a sniper hit the perfect 1000 yard head shot and it's just a small red dot on his fore head, laughable - I watched a real video of an SAS sniper shot in Afghanistan and this was from nearly 2 miles away, it hit the guy in the shoulder and ripped his entire arm including the shoulder socket, collar bone and half his rib cage out.
15 Nov 2015 19:34:42
There is no doubting that there are Muslim/Syrian/Iraq/Iranian/African etc terrorists that are hell bent on destruction but consider this.
The people who have bombed these country's to oblivion are what exactly? IMO they are exactly the same, terrorists.
Read discussionThere is no doubting that there are Muslim/Syrian/Iraq/Iranian/African etc terrorists that are hell bent on destruction but consider this.
The people who have bombed these country's to oblivion are what exactly? IMO they are exactly the same, terrorists.
15 Nov 2015 19:12:09
Kim I'm with you mate. There is lunatics out there and I have no doubt that the people responcible are Muslim/Syrian extremists . But I also believe that the hornets nest has been kicked to start a chain of events.
Read discussionKim I'm with you mate. There is lunatics out there and I have no doubt that the people responcible are Muslim/Syrian extremists . But I also believe that the hornets nest has been kicked to start a chain of events.
15 Nov 2015 19:07:48
Regardless of anything we need to start looking after ourselves . I don't hate anyone but I don't like anyone more than I like my own family if you know what I mean. It is a matter of time before it happens here this country has no control of the situation. You don't need to be smart to start protecting the things that matter to you and we have fear and caution pre programmed into us for that very reason.
Read discussionRegardless of anything we need to start looking after ourselves . I don't hate anyone but I don't like anyone more than I like my own family if you know what I mean. It is a matter of time before it happens here this country has no control of the situation. You don't need to be smart to start protecting the things that matter to you and we have fear and caution pre programmed into us for that very reason.
