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No name poster do you really think that one direction are devil worshippers or illuminati occultists or anything like that? I am no fan of there's but I really think they just are where they are because of there age & how they look. They all entered xfactor on there own Cowell put them together & his know how has got them to the very top very fast he spent more time with them than the winner of the show because he knew how much of a money spinner they would be nothing more nothing less. The illuminati if you like has an influence in the music industry but at the same time lots of bands or artists just jump on the bandwagon with all these hand signs, occult symbols & what not for a laugh tongue in cheek get people talking stir the pot. There not all reptilian demons who sold there soul for success lol.

RM8

Yes very very very very weird to me too

no nome

Fascinating. Thanks for sharing Padawan. I wonder if it works?

Ryan.

Thanks for the input. I would never have made anything of the link between savile and the Beatles if I hadn't found out about Denning and Epstein's involvement. Then the hand signs and album cover just got me thinking.

I'm not trying to sully their name here just wondered if other people saw the same links or if I was going mad.

Thanks,
Harold

If only George had put "football" or "something like "musical instruments" then he wouldn't leave himself wide open would he.

Hi correct me if i'm wrong. it has been known on a few occasions, still. Did not George write and produce a song titled "I like to watch the children play".

12 Mar 2014 23:49:30
Jimmy Savile promoted a lot of acts, doesn't mean they were involved in anything dodgy. The man was a despicable individual but he was capable of recognising talent.

Regards the cover of Sgt Peppers I understand they were all asked to pick people who had influenced them during their lives, hence George picking a few Yogis. I believe John wanted Hitler, being a major influence on history but was talked out it. Doesn't make John a Nazi.

Lastly what I've read if Crowley doesn't suggest satanism. Occult yes but not satanism.

Who knows, interesting subject though worthy of more research. Not a band you tend to think of being involved in such things. Now one direction on the other hand. Definitely involved in a Faustian deal.

Until the plane is found its going to be near impossible to speculate, they can not even agree on the time of the last radar sighting, hopefully once there is some type of evidence what has happened we can try and put the jigsaw back together, got to admit it is very strange thou.

Were the Beatles influenced by Lucifer?

in my opinion they were influenced by everything good and bad that's what made them the greatest group in history.

It really annoys me when people who clearly don't do any research or watch the videos dispute they're validity. I watch the news as well as do my own research, and 90 percent of the time the "news" ahem, doesn't add up. They are always manipulating stories for they're own ends. I'm not suggesting you stop watching the news, but at least look into other possibilties. We are all theorists, and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but don't criticise others for having one, at the end of the day this is a conspiracy site.

Well before the tsunami, the U. S government asked Indonesia for access to the Malacca Straits, Indonesia refused! Then tsunami struck (just like magic or HAARP), then U. S in there doing humanitarian work.
Now plane flight path alleged change of direction, oh guess where. the Malacca Straits!
Bep Kororoti.

Lol mort, that made me chuckle.

Harold

What one person calls aliens, whether benevolent or malevolent someone else calls angels or demons.

What someone calls God, someone else calls the Force, for use of a better name.

Religion was just a way of communicating radical concepts to the masses. Remember the bible was written millennia ago when people where supposedly simple peasants, farmers and shepherds or crafts men and traders.

"Well you see these nice folk who taught us how to cultivate certain seeds and that pulling that dangly bit on the cow is beneficial for people and cows, well their pan-dimensional beings who have travelled here in their faster than light space craft from another planet many trillions of light years away from our planet, which orbits the sun not the other way around. "

"Eh do what?"

"Ok really their angels sent by God to look after mankind. "

"O ok, why not say that at the start then?"

Or something like that.

Mort

"So let me get this straight, the main stream media has been and always has been controlled by higher powers who manipulate the news, events that happen and even hire actors"

AP I forgot to add - type 'CNN faking news' into YouTube and see what you find.

Harold

IMO if the Governments knew that it was a UFO that was involved, they would have done more to suppress the story rather than giving it lots of media coverage.

So noname, I take it you have looked at the evidence and arrived at the conclusion that the incident happened as reported? Seemingly none of the skeptics will answer this question.

I've done a bit of reading on the subject and arrived at the conclusion that most of the official story does not tie up with the available evidence. Too much to go into here but I found 'sandy hook the documentary' on YouTube a good starting point. If you are really interested you might find viewing the video with an open mind an interesting experience. Or you might think it is a load of rubbish but you'll never know if you just accept everything you are told.

Last point from me, I never stated that I believe that actors were used, although I will admit I have a real problem with the testimonies of 3 individuals, namely the coroner, the parent with the surname parker and the man who lived next to the school (who has changed his story a few times). I think all 3 are dealt with in the video above, from memory.

Harold

So the the relatives of the children that were murdered in cold blood are just hired actors, pretty much all the replys to AP seems to suggest that anyway. Well then, how do we know this individual that was 'brainwashed' after 9/11 to hate all Muslims and finally woke up, could he not be an actor?! No, ofcoarse not, what a ludicrous suggestion eh! Look at something long enough and I'm sure u will see what u want.

Davey, I believe it was reported to be a Korean missile.

Very strange case this and i'm not sure what to make of it yet. Another point of note may be that there were 20 employees of the same company on board the plane. The company is called freescale I think and there are links to the Carlyle group (bush senior) and Blackstone (founding members belonging to skull and bones/council of foreign relations). The same company is also said to have worked in partnership with Raytheon - which if you type 'raytheon 9/11' into google you will find some interesting stuff relating to members of that company, who apparently developed a remote control plane not long before 9/11, were said to have been aboard 3 of the 4 planes that day.

Found this info. on the David icke forum and have not had a chance to verify it yet but thought I would share.

Harold

Ed033 thanks for sharing.

It is scary, I will admit to having had similar brainwashed thoughts at the time, though not about ALL Muslims I will hasten to add. My attitude towards the man they called 'Osama Bin Laden' was that I would gladly see him and any other extremist (as branded by the media/government) wiped off the face of this planet without the need for any proof to be shown my way. I'm pretty sure I would have even backed an instant war on the day of 9/11 itself, the levels of (mis-placed) anger were so high. This is why I get passionate about such topics - because I've lived through both sides and can now see clearly how my emotions, along with everyone else's, were manipulated for evil purposes. Looking back it seems crazy that I would be ready to jump on the bandwagon seeing as it took TPTB all of what a couple hours to start getting Bin Laden and Al Quaeda's names planted firmly in our brains! With no investigation needed? Clearly that is done at such an early stage deliberately as when people are in fear or shock they are incapable of critically analysing the situation, as we have seen in many cases including 7/7 (via Tony Blair) and the Woolwich incident (via various politicians) - in both cases before the police had carried out any investigation and whilst the population were in total shock.

In light of Hillsborough, Savile, the phone hacking scandal etc. etc. it is difficult to accept anyone thinks the media/establishment should be believed without questioning - whether they are into conspiracy theories or not.

Harold

I assume AP is a very narrow minded person who beleives everything on mainstream media and never takes the time to study and form his own opinion, look beyond the mainstream propaganda and take off the blinkers to see the real world we live in. Ignorace is bliss.