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Shanksville is pathetic. We're supposed to believe that flight 93 hit the ground so fast it just got swallowed up. Here's a video that shows the scar was there long before 9/11. I agree there was no plane at the Pentagon either Franky. But at least the had a building to hide that fact. Shanksville was just a hole in the ground with no aircraft debris. I'm genuinely baffled that most people still believe the official story.

http://youtu.be/XsS-xpyqi1w

Ryan.

That's incredible. And the photography is stunning.

Ryan.

Noname, if you are looking for any one to prove or disprove the whole theory in one post then I think you're going to be disappointed. There is plenty of research to be done if you are interested and many on-line sources covering the subject in depth.

The modern day idea may originate from Bavaria, Germany in the 1780's with a group we know of as the illuminati or illuminated ones. I believe they used the term themselves off the top of my head. Some say the whole theory traces back to the knights templar or even earlier and has grown over time via numerous secretive societies and global partnerships between powerful bloodlines or families.

For evidence of whether it exists today you could search for info on groups such as the bilderberg group, bohemian grove, the trilateral commission, the council for foreign affairs etc. You might find some interesting reading.

In terms of popstar's and the symbols they make I agree it's difficult to put too much weight upon because of the very nature of their business but when you notice the level and consistency of certain themes being put across by those who orchestrate them (record labels etc. ) it seems to go way beyond coincidence. I found vigilantcitizen.com a good resource on this subject. And no, I don't believe these record labels are wasting their collective time and effort in some grand scheme to wind up conspiracy theorists, I would think they are more interested in gaining wealth and influence by pushing the agenda's that pay.

Then when you get politicians, world leader's, religious leader's etc. pulling similar strange symbols it gets even harder to explain!

My best tip would be to not let anybody else tell you what the truth is, go find out for yourself as there are plenty of good resources. The truth to one person can be a lie to another. Knowledge is the key to finding out for yourself.

Harold

That's the guy who did the airplane robbery isn't it? The FBI claim he died in the river that he landed in something about hypothermia the say they found money on the banks of it, however it wasn't all found so I'd say he lived happily ever after where ever he went to.

Does anyone know who the Illuminati really were, originally? As everyone seems to think they run the world, is there any evidence to prove or disprove? Don't say such and such singer made a triangle as they're only doing that to annoy theorists.

I find the pentagon crash more interesting than the other 9/11 events, one if not the most protected buildings on earth and no protection and not one conclusive picture/video of a plane hitting it.

The much overlooked tower 6. As for the so called impact site in Shanksville, I remember seeing a b&w photo from the sixties of that very field. There was a very wide narrow slit in the field and on 9/11 they used this as evidence of the wing impact.

Thanks for the vid Ed033.

Ryan.

Bibzy if you type Fema camps into the search bar on youtube you'll be spoilt for choice.

Ryan.

No1 who writes 'instead of a war on poverty they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me' can be a fool, he was a mouthy mixed up kid but who wasnt

Watched the 60 min flick. What a great watch that was. Just a quick question has any1 got any info in this FEMA camps. Thanks x bibzy7

23 Feb 2014 18:23:15
It will be interesting to see what happens next. The Russian speaking majority in the East are right to be fearful. My generation have not forgotten what the Russians did during Russification and the stamping out of Ukrainian nationalism.

This is not to excuse anything that may happen but to try to explain to fellows who may be interested but do not understand there complexities.

Kim Philby

The only thing I am not sure off is he paints himself as a bit of a cowboy when there was a firefight, plus why would a driller expert carry a loaded gun down a big hole?but there is something that edd suggested which makes sense, the things he spoke about did happen but his role on that day was nothing like he described, in other words this event happened but PS got told what went on or was somewhere in the background and was the only person brave or foolish to speak of it.

Good advice red.

Help to buy schemes are a disaster waiting to happen, especially if you are going to buy a new build. As new builds are sold over value, you will immediately be in negative equity. With interest rates increasing within the next 2 years, lenders will more then likely refuse to offer a new product when your existing deals ends, this is currently happening with shared equity schemes. The result is leaving you on svr which can raise at any time. If interest rates do increase by 1% you will be paying at least 6% if not more. Once this happens you will find more people default on their mortgage resulting a house price crash leaving those who are on a help to buy in even bigger negative equity. My advance as a cemap qualified mortgage adviser is to wait and save a bigger deposit. It gives you a bit more breathing space if things go belly up.

I feel the same franky it's all very suspicious, he didn't seem at all suicidle in his interviews, in fact he seemed fearful for his life in some parts. His description of so called black projects also were very detailed for someone who was making it all up.

I read and watched a lot of PS and either he is a nut looking for attention or these incidents happened, I think it is the latter, his dad was was a captured Nazi that got recruited by the Americans so this is not a nobody making these claims, dulce new mexico makes Roswell seem like a its not a big thing, add into the mix PS death, where he stated he would never takes his own life, then before his nxt set of conferences he got found hanged with a suicide note.

Hey ed, anything wrong with my post in regards to this thread?
zari

Sorry but I got to flag this, Franky. MP or Funeral Director! hilarious buddy.

I searched that and that too was false as the prints didn't match. Thanks for the reply though.

Kim the Ukraine people are in a no win situation and I feel for them, definite tension brewing between the east and west, the west know they have to ignite protests/demonstrations to get there feet under the door with Russia and china becoming more dominant with the way they gave the USA a bloody nose in the Syria saga, like always the political chess games only do one thing, innocent people get killed.