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You could be right pea.

I've been researching the religious believes of those at the top of the establishment and even though there seems to be some variety, it's always the same three animals representing them:

Bull, winged dragon (winged snake) and owl.

The same familiar hand signal is used to symbolize them all. (owl's ears, dragon's wings, bull's horns)

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I am still trying to connect the more modern expressions of saturnian worship with the most ancient, Kronos.
It seems to infer a dualistic comparison. Perhaps Kronos vs Zeus, explosive vs implosive action, left spin vs right spin vortex.
In some ancient greek writings there is a mention of the left spin vortex applied to the field, from which time was created. Perhaps a right spin vortex would then bridge time.
Zari

Ha ha that's a conspiracy as well.

Agreed, good luck and tread carefully. Expect the unexpected. Do we really know what we are dealing with, no. But best of luck and remember stick to the road and keep off the moor. oh sorry that's something else! Good luck.

Far too much of that being shown mate, I find it strange that people buy in to these voyeuristic shows so readily. The only thing I can stomach for more than ten minutes is RT news. Even this could be a form of propaganda but it gives us a better idea of the real world compared to mainstream news channels/programs. I hope you're right when you say more people will wake up, there has to be a tipping point at some stage.
Only 19 days until you play the peoples club then eh :)

Regarding the name he used later on Makaveli. 2pac read a lot including a 18th century (I think) Italian war general who had the idea of faking your death to fool your enemies and also not sure if it still is or not but in 1996 in the state of Navada it was legal to fake your death. he's said to still make music as kasinova tha don they sound very similar rap about the same things.

I think more and more people will swerve tv to many reality shows and propoganda shows and I reckon you will see more people waking up because of this, I am a red mate.

Wee fixy here Zari:
"It claims that the most distinguished of them were there to meet Marduk/Molloch (SATURN) the ruler of Nibiru/Planet X (SATURN)"
Cue Satanic (SATURIAN) "fake signer", to greet the good old boys who've "fallen and can't get up"?

It's all Saturn worship, all of it. it always has been with these guys. All major religions worship Saturn. pea

Cheers Franky, you're right about these tv shows mate, it's the reason I don't watch much on the box any longer. Rather watch something on you tube and the likes.
With regards to people waking up, I have noticed on all the social media sites that some are beginning to ask more questions rather than believe what they are told. Still too many that don't want to believe though.
On a side note, are you a red or a blue?

No problem Ryan.
O/P here.
Good luck with your investigating.
Just please be careful with it mate.
Respect it or bad things might happen.
I agree with your opinion.
It is fascinating but bloody scary when something unexpected pops up.
Hope you find what you're looking for with it. :)

Thanks O/P and Zari for your replies. Will look into the subject more, and will also try to keep an open mind. It's fascinating and a bit scary at the same time.

Ryan.

09 Jan 2014 00:36:17
In the lyrics to all out he mentions muammar gaddafi not yaki kadafi who was the one killed after pac was killed as for the line murder my friends built a new posse he means he murdered his old posse who where called thug life not literally murdered though lol because in his own words thug life the group/posse where not acting right so he built his new group/posse tha outlawz as for the song all out it is one of the last songs he recorded before going to Vegas and sadly dying the other songs recorded where hell for a hustler and some speculate that letz get ready to rumble was also part of that last recording session and said song was used as an intro to mike tysons fight against Bruce seldon 2pac fan

Yeah mate I have read and watched a few documentaries about tupac, sorry guys I just don't see it, I know autopsies pictures can be faked but t definitely looks like tupac, as for lyrics about him in songs being alive the same thing got saI'd about certain Beatles songs hinting McCartney being dead, you guys will know a he'll of a lot mire than me about tupac and it was interesting reading your point. , I just can not see it mate!

Faith is a powerful tool. Whatever you treat as sacred is sacred.
Also, those that need artifacts to be or do, could have those used against them in interactions with an intelligence higher than themselves.
A lucid mind remains lucid.

Ryan, supposedly you ask a question and then whomever you are communicating with moves the cursor through you, on the board forming letter combinations spelling the answer.
Zari

A lie sandwiched in a couple of slices of truth is how the establishment serves its propaganda.
As for the facts, conspiracy theorists (establishment label/title) might not have all the facts but not for lack of trying.
Most posters, myself included, don't take the time to write IMO in front of every sentence. That is implied in human interactions. It's all an endless circle of analysis, hypothesis and experimentation.
Zari

Hi Ryan,
Original poster here. again lol.
They spell out their supposed name when you ask who is pushing the pointer or glass in my case.
As soon as "Satan" spelled out his name to us we panicked a little for a few seconds as we were doing this in my house so I was afraid whoever or whatever it was would stick around and do bad things like you'd often hear about.
So I told it to leave as soon as I pulled my thoughts back together.
I just didn't want to ask it questions in my own home just in case.
I can't speak for the person who contacted "Hitler".
Wouldn't want him in my home either lol.
Cheers.

Have you ever really looked into it Franky? It's got so much more to it than the Elvis or McCartney story's or any other dead Celeb in my opinion it's a great conspiracy. Like Big Red said there's video sightings on YouTube that are interesting but not conclusive. Also songs released after he was dead mentioning thing like Beyonces Destinys Child & Obama. Like I said

He wasn't taken to hospital at the shooting scene Suge Knight drove away from the scene away further away from hospital he also claimed he was grazed by bullet in his forehead whilst throwing himself over 2pac doctors have said that's a lie he had a bump from hitting his head on dashboard.

If he did fake his death he did it to get away from Suge Knight, Suge paid £1.4 mil to get 2pac out on bail in return for 2pac making 3 studio albums well 2pac was a workhorse he had all the material done in months and was pissed that Suge turned 2 albums into 1 (All Eyes On Me) which left him with still 2 albums on his deal he wanted out of Death Row so he could start Makeveli Records he was a slave to Suge he obviously got paid royalties from older albums and got paid for the shows and movies whilst at Death Row but Suge wasn't paying him as he already did when he got him out of jail.

Suge had all LAPD bent cops as Death Row security when they wasn't on duty remember the Rampart scandal well they all worked for death Row and did you know that when Notorious BIG was killed in LA lil cease who was sat in back said it was a police officer who walked up to car and opened fire. Suge got wind of the fact 2pac wanted out and realised that at the rate he was making tracks he would be free from his contract in no time so he decided if he got him killed he will still be making him money.

Suge instigated the fight at the casino with Orlando Anderson to give somebody else a motive to want to kill him. Suge ordered Frank Alexander, 2pac personal bodyguard to get in car behind with 2pac's crew Outlawz and made 2pac not wear his vest. he then drove a longer route to his club taking a detour when the call pulled up and opened fire, police found 2 different shell casings 1 was found inside their car the car that opened fire was the distraction to Suge pumping rounds from his gun into 2pac.

the best cover up. the thing was he didn't plan on him surviving. Suge was not allowed to see him at the hospital, kept getting turned away. if 2pac did survive in hospital he would know it was Suge and knew there was no other way out then having to fake his death. this was the 2nd time in 2 years people tried to murder him this time it was from somebody close to him, somebody he couldn't get away from because he worked for him.

There are lots of things to say he didn't die that night the 1 that stands out to me is a song called All Out he says quite a few things like "You're wondering who shot me" then in some really low voice he says "nobody" in the same song he says "you killed Kadaffi murdered my friend now I built a new posse" Kadaffi was in the Outlawz and got killed the month after 2pac died after being the only person to police he could identify 2pac's killer how could 2pac say that if he was dead sorry bout long post but I know all about this as I grew up on 2pac I remember where I was when I heard he was dead

I think he is dead, its a bit like the elvis and mccartney stories that go around that gives anti conspiracy skeptics ammo.

Enjoyable thread, and I must admit I don't know anything at all about ouija boards. I'm just wondering how do you know it's 'Satan' or 'Hitler' that is communicating with you/your friend?

Ryan.

Thanks but still no more insight

Stevie7