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Ok I get what you're saying, not sure I buy into this conspiracy regarding the titanic to be honest. There's just no clear cut evidence to suggest it was anything other than an accident. If we look hard enough for something we usually find it and I just feel people are clutching at straws with this one. All the physically evidence is conducive to that of a ship hitting an iceberg, this cannot be disputed. Whether or not somebody somehow deliberately engineered it is fantasy unless you can provide some hard-hitting facts to suggest otherwise. I believe Diana was murdered, 9/11 did not occur as was reported and the crisis in the middle east has been constructed by the west but I have not heard anything to suggest the Titanic didn't sink as reported. But I welcome the opportunity for you to show me what info you got mate

his wife actually threatened to 'Bring those who murdered him to justice' shortly after the death.

Then a few weeks later, released a statement accepting it as an accident. Very Strange.

Exotiva

Aron I only saw this a few weeks ago for the first time, and if it's real (and I'm not suggesting it isn't) then it's very damning indeed.

Ryan.

That's true however you go to a golf club to play golf and have a bite to eat etc.

I find it strange that you would want to go to a small private members club in the middle of a theme park, maybe it is used for corporate hospitality like I said not sure there is a conspiracy in it just seems a little strange to me.

Jonty

There are quite a few golf clubs in Britain that would cost 100k+ to join. So I'd say club 33 has no problem attracting members. A certain type of person will always pay for exclusivity. In fact most people will if they can afford it.

Ryan.

From what I have read it is a members only club costs $10K to join then $3. 5K fees every year, the upper floors and bar etc is off limits to the public, just seems a very strange place to have a private members club I am not sure what the conspiracy is just wondered if anybody has an idea why you would have a club like this in a family theme park?

Jonty

Ed I though that Hawaii was more likely to vote to become British? They still have the Union flag on the Hawaiian state flag. Although I guess the Yanks would have still invaded either way.

There was plenty of evidence what was going to happen provided both by us and also by their own intelligence service.

And the Yanks had been pushing Japan for most of the previous decade with trade embargo's. Japan got pushed into war by a desperate need for resources before the economy collapsed. Not to condone what they got up to in the war but the Yanks pushed them into a corner.

Which was something we could have done without as at the time we were just hanging on and couldn't really commit resources to defend the Asian colonies.

Some have suggested FDR allowed it to happen to bring the Yanks into the war. Poppycock. The Yanks were edging in anyway, all it did was kick things off with Japan which didn't help us at all. If the Germans hadn't have declared war would the Yanks have gone to war with Germany?

And look who benefitted out of it? It picked up the Yank economy. Ford and GM and the rest were on shaky ground after the crash but building Jeeps and Tanks and the rest soon perked them up. Look up Bretton Woods. There was only 1 winner of WW" and it wasn't us.

Then look at what they got upto in the 50's, Iran, Guatemala, Cuba, Vietnam. They bumped JFK off when he was an inconvenience. Gulf of Tonkin led to how many deaths? And how many billions in the companies coffers?

Some group has long been directing US foreign policy for the benefit of big business.

9/11 was the tip of a shady iceberg. They thought they could get away with stuff in their arrogance.

Mort

The buildings are designed to ward of earth quakes. a plane slamming into it won't knock it down.

That the British Govt had forewarned the US, very interesting

But weren't there survivors from the titanic who would have verified that they were on the titanic when it sank? i'm confused as to what you're suggesting ed.

I would have once been on the other side of that debate, but I now feel differently about gun ownership in the US. The US government's desire to disarm its citizens in not with their safety in mind. The US army is buying and stockpiling 3 million rounds of Soviet era Russian ammunition. This is the type used by most civilians.

The DHS is buying around 1. 6 BILLION rounds for Homeland security.

So if I lived in the US now, I would be very worried.

Ryan.

Wow I didn't know that about Pearl Harbour ed, every day is a school day

Nope, I will recognise the UN flag, it was a flag with a red background and all nations within the triangle really strange

Could it have been a genuine accident, but that they just didn't put enough life rafts on the ship.

Isn't that somewhere in Disney land that there's a doorway with 33 over it, most likely a free mason meeting place, and before making assumptions about them research them and you'll see there legit

06 Oct 2013 15:27:17
Na mate, my mistake, I guess I was just being stupid, all your points make sense, but it's just so hard to believe, I'm 50/50 on this and will look up 9/11 in the search function, watch some videos if there are any, sorry about my. attitude lol and I will look out for some things

Cheers

Gobblemaster

I'm sorry guys, I'm not trying to troll or anything, I just don't believe and do not see why the government would do this to there own people, really shocking what happened, I apologise if I come across as a troll

Gobblemaster

Ideally I would agree with you about the guns but I know I am in the small minority on this site about Americans having guns, whatever anyone says there is a agenda by their government to get rid of firearms but obama has bought millions and millions of military firearms (30 years worth) for home not overseas wars, what does that tell you?would you trust the american government?something is going there its not if but when martial law.

06 Oct 2013 12:38:03
But ed, the paper and wood inside the building is flammable and made the fuel temperature even hotter which melted the steel girders, and I saw a documentary which labeled that the girders that melted were in the middle which made te building fall straight down, not slide.

Gobblemaster

Why would a building be heavier at the top than the rest of it gobblemaster? Dear me.

Supasub