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I just read that this afternoon also Franky after seeing it on Icke's twitter. Have you watched the youtube clip it links to giving the statement from the couple who were on holiday with them the year before? The more I read about some of these people the more I agree they are involved.

Captain Needa

It all sounds very weird, why not search this address which has clear evidence and theory behind it but respond to a reported sighting in India. surely the Murat address has way more credibility behind it. I have always suspected the parents and have done even more so since finding out that Gerry isn't the biological father only last week.
Gary, newcastle

Government. Govern (control) ment (mente : Latin for mind).
Control of the mind basically.

We need to start afresh however I think too much damage has been done by the government for us to survive with out some sort order if you know what I mean.

Maybe a shift in conciousness or a DEVINE intervention would do the trick.

Good subject!

Geordie Al

What is Democide Scouse Pride?

Protesters topping themselves or sum1 commiting suicide for a cause? They are pure guesses, no doubt both will be way off the mark. Suppose the second 1 would fall under "suicide bomber" as they have a cause.

Geordie Al

You're right there is no perfect solution and power and greed is the biggest attraction to being a leader, the main gripe I think everyone has with politicians is lies and spin and the language they use, I will use the great bill shankly quote "We're professionals at Liverpool, we believe in simplicity. I wouldn't go on television or use words in newspapers that only a few people understand. Some people use words knowing full well that maybe only 10% of the viewers or readers know what they mean. We don't. We speak the language of the people, the language that everybody understands. Instead of me saying that somebody was avaricious, I would say they were bloody greedy".
So to me if you promise something in any manifesto and completely do a u turn then you should be made to live like the poorest people in the country, I know both our views are pie in the sky, out of the two I think your view is more realistic if there was a major catastrophe mine would be like Turkeys Voting for Christmas, never going to happen.

Even it may sound like I am contradicting myself about my views on government , I still think we still need some type of figure head, even if you go back in time there has been elders who people look up to and as a species humans on the whole need to be led. {Ed001's Note - possibly we do, there are certainly some things that can benefit from centralised leadership, such as education. But there is nothing to stop the powers of a leader figure being limited to certain areas. The problem is, as history has shown us, Rome being a great example, that when someone is given a taste of power, very few do anything other than look for more of it. They tried to limit terms of power and to only give dictatorship to a leader in extremis, it worked a few times, but then it led to someone seizing the power and keeping it. That is why decentralising power could be better, it reduces the opportunities for someone to grasp it all, though it does present its own problems, many of them. I am not sure there is a perfect solution, just like democracy is a terrible form of government, but then any other that has been tried has been worse!}

The Secret History of the Jesuits by Edmond Paris is a good place to start.

MrTrotskysGhost

Ed wouldn't you agree that this could be a double edged sword. Imagine if one leader wanted more territory and assembled an army to attack another close by, leading to a potential civil war. History shows us that power and greed run side by side and the wrong type of people end up in control. {Ed001's Note - if you have no government, then there is no outright leaders to assemble armies.}

I think we need a government however we should outlaw political parties therefore everybody is an independent, each region of the country should be able to submit bills according to how many people live in that region with a minimum number per region being put before the independent parliament, I know there would be problems with this system such as unofficial allegiances however stiff penalties for any MP engaging in this may help, also the nation would vote for the cabinet PM, Chancellor & etc.
You could have a rule that you can only stand once to be an MP and once your four years is up no more
Just an idea however I doubt it would stop corruption but would certainly make things more interesting! Jonty

Interesting debate mate that I will continue tomorrow as I am knackered, catch u soon edd {Ed001's Note - night franky take care mate.}

I noticed how genocide was mentioned but in fact democide is more fitting.

Interesting fact I just typed democide on my iPad and it was not in it's vocabulary, try it if you have one.

Ed, would a country be better off with localised government over centralised? Franky what difference do the lies make as they keep promises to the people that they are double speaking to and that is not the general public? {Ed001's Note - it just allows decisions to be made to help the local population, though it is not perfect, just an improvement as it lowers the amount of power any one person can have. Difficult to start a war when you only have a couple of people following you!}

So do you mean regionalized parties looking after your region? {Ed001's Note - no, you don't need an organised government at all. What do they do? Civilizations existed without them, it was people trying to gather power to themselves that created governments to take charge.}

No mate, we need a government type of structure or it would cause chaos so we have to make do with this shower of nobs, if I had my way if a political group promised certain things in a election and don't do as they promise then the head honchos of any group should be took to task and get jailed for lies, that way the public would know exactly what they are proposing and secondly it would make these greedy politicians who choose this path to then get a cushy job earning millions like the war criminal tony blair. {Ed001's Note - I am not sure we do need a central government, not really. Without one, there would be no one to fight wars against or with for starters.}

Exactly Franky, the easiest way to control the people will be through the growth of food and/or access to it. I really believe people have no idea how much laws like this will affect people. While people are rightly concerned about fluoride, chem trails, etc, laws that control the very source of food are being passed without an outcry. As I said above a little research will show how the US incorporated laws like this into the new constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan, after both their stocks were destroyed.

Captain Needa

People assume to get the population down to 500 million it will be a thermonuclear bomb in my opinion it will be something like this where they could put anything in any seed and cause a pandemic, trying to regulate what mother nature has produced for millions of years has to get you suspicious.

Cheers Franky,

I've been looking at the whole seed destruction for a while now and felt this needed to be posted. Mustn't have signed in right as my name never came up at the end of it.

Captain Needa

Just watched the clip edd, people like this should be running our government. {Ed033's Note - exactly

1971 wow the producer was way ahead of his time, another good movie is battle in seattle.

Just signed it, this is serious if this is allowed to happen, the consequences are not going to affect us but our generations down the line, I have just put this petition on my twitter account and will do so on my fb as well.