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When they built John Lennon's face my first thought was the "face" on Mars.

Thats the thing Ed, if this civilisation has taken 12,000 years to build then easily we could have had similar or better say 150,000 years ago. Might have taken 50,000 years to build but taken hours to destroy. 150,000 years later what would be left? Organic material would have decayed, so would the buildings etc. Its only going to take actual physical evidence to prove it not circumstantial puzzle work, but nothing tangible is left. Who knows, maybe even "aliens" could actually be descendents of the survivors monitoring things? {Ed001's Note - I have often wondered if Neanderthal Man, and his much larger brain capacity, were actually just the leftovers of previous civilizations. Homo Sapiens could have been a more aggressive mutation, much better adapted for a world following the breakdown of civilization, which then crossbred with Neanderthals to create Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Probably not, but there is evidence that the two existed together and interacted, so it could be possible. Trouble is, you can come up with thousands of possibilities but it is virtually impossible to rule any out due to the lack of evidence either way. For all we know, Neanderthal could have been humankind's creator, they certainly had the brain capacity to be super intelligent beings, given the time to develop that we have had.}

Exactly Ed's we all know what sailers are like, i doubt it was any different a few 1000 years ago.

On a serious note i think the got the maths wrong somewhere. We've supposedly existed in this form for 200,000 years but civilisation is what 12,000 years old, so what the heck were we doing for 188,000 years? Therefore there have been previous civilistaions like in the Mayan and Hindu texts. {Ed001's Note - there is plentiful evidence of previous civilizations, it is all circumstantial though, it is a very difficult thing to prove, especially when you have to fight through commonly held beliefs to prove it.}

Banning something always draws attention to things, people wonder what the fuss is about so go and do it instead (not that i'm advocating legalising the tin foil things you were on about.)

Whereas rubbishing the subject matter or the people behind it achieves more.

Icke, who you've already mentioned, is a good example. I grew up thinking he was a bit of a loon, even when i was reading the sort of stuff put out there by Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval and Dan Brown (yes i know but Brown always lists his source materials that he went and nicked ideas from and they are always worth a read, besides as far fetched as some of his stuff is who's to say that a lot of it is wrong?)

Coming on this site when it was first set up though gave me a proper introduction to icke and although i don't blindly swallow everything he comes out with or believe it all, he does get you thinking.

Besides if your such a sceptic then why come on a conspiracy website in the first place? You must have some doubts or questions, the door is already ajar you just need to step through it. No-one makes you believe anything on here and there is certain stuff i don't believe, but some of the stuff on here is bang on the video. Some very knowledgeable guys on here, and good to chat non football related stuff with fans from clubs i usually wouldn't bother talking with as the football gets in way.

So i am an person for trying to inject some humour....... main ethos here would be not too follow blindly yet you have a go at me for questioning.......interesting tactic {Ed001's Note - no, you were missing the point and proving mine. You immediately jumped to ridicule, like I said, that is why it is easier to keep it going and let people like yourself ridicule it.}

And to think Obama was hailed in certain quarters as the great Liberal saviour after GWB. Has there been any difference?

Surely everything would be monitored though, the very mention of the word zion or conspiracy would have someone investigate it......keep seeing people jokingly say its time to get the tin foil hat on, maybe better to stop huffing products off the tin foil may be better advice {Ed001's Note - ah, there we have it, ridicule, always the refuge of those without any real argument. You are showing exactly why they don't ban it, because they can get idiots to believe it is silly and ridicule it. But banning, as I pointed out above, if you had bothered to read it, would just prove there is some truth in it.}

Sorry just listened to hes interview he will be putting new videos on hes website but obama planning to shut up everyone up with hes planned new laws, big brother is deffo watching us.
frankyscouse

Sad news if true hopefully he can open hes own webpage to get hes views across .
frankyscouse

Lfc.....The eye would have already evolved (in many different forms) before the first land-based animals appeared. Homo Sapiens first appeared (as far as we can tell) around 200,000 years ago and have since spread out across the globe. Natural selection/Evolution is a continuous ongoing process and the differences we see in humans from different geographical regions today is a result of these processes. Before people could easily travel the world, they would generally stay in their own countries and breed with similar people, thus propagating the genes we now associate with race.

Bill {Ed001's Note - yet that doesn't explain why there are African countries that have character traits that would normally be called Oriental. People travelled the world far more than the nonsense we get taught in schools. They were clearly trading freely between Egypt and South America in ancient times. There are many other examples of trades between areas that we are told barely interacted. Where there is trade interaction, there is almost certain (99.99999% probability) sexual interaction and breeding as well. So I fail to see your point holding water regarding propagating genes etc.}

Did anyone notice that the weather has been quite nice for last two weeks as well, this is britain it doesn't last for more than a week. strange.
huddz red

Love it, love it,
OWL.

The pyramid shaped lights with eyes all around the top of the stadium, the strange cone shaped hats worn by the cyclists with pet shop boys. Also at one point a pyramid was built right in the centre stage, very ritualistic feel to it. On another note the brazil bit was the best part of it i thought. J staff

To me, I think the phoenix only represents the great fire of London and London rising from the ashes, nothing else.

PTH

{Ed033's Note - the phoenix is obvious. It's a new start, i.e. zion, a new Jerusalem

Building a block Pyramid & Morris Dancers.. all symbolic aren't they? Illuminati symbolic isn't it?
It was a decent enough ceremony, but it made us look like we're stuck in the 60's musically.

Humans did not evolve to survive in different climates, through time there is only a loss of genetic information , leading to the skin being dark or light or somewhere in the middle, think of a photocopy , as each picture gets took the image fades- due to a slight loss of information, evolution is a fairy tale for adults , my guess is our gene pool has been tampered with by human -like races like us from other planets, solar systems , take the eye for a example of so called evolution , it had to be there from the start and working on most humans , animals , or did we all run around blind bumping into each other trying to take a pee for 1000s of years, think about it.............lfc

That was my point Tom. Some scientist now recognise that the races are TOO different for them NOT to be genetically modified as mankind has not been around long enough for us to evolve so differently.
Either that or the human race is MUCH older than we're told.
NoneTheWiser

Of course there will be differences, thats just basic evolution, different races evolved to survive in different climates and enviromental circumstances.
Tom

The theme of the games was to inspire a generation, so it was a sort of out with the old in with the new

The Phoenix! I think the Phoenix has links to the nazi's and freemasonry. Also can mean a new beginning from an end.

Supasub