14 Nov 2015 23:16:30
Or so that anyone who claims responsibility can use it as evidence to back up that claim.
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06 Sep 2015 17:35:30
Fair enough but we can prove the political level. Anything above that is speculation. Certainly well informed speculation but can you prove it? If we could would we be sat here now?
Read discussionFair enough but we can prove the political level. Anything above that is speculation. Certainly well informed speculation but can you prove it? If we could would we be sat here now?
06 Sep 2015 17:44:47
Regards corbyn his own associations will provide enough ammunition for his opponents.
I applaud him for his refusal to once share a platform with Nick griffin of the bnp saying he doesn't stand on stage with racists. Now that's a great principle. Griffin and his cohorts are pond slime.
But he's shared a platform with Islamic fundamentalists many of whom hold views as abhorrent as Nick griffin, certainly in terms of misogyny, homophobia, and racism.
So what's the difference? Where's the principle there?
I get the argument that to sort out the issues you have to engage with this sort of person. But it looks too much like he supports these people with his claims that the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah are harmless. Truth is they're fanatics with a publicly admitted aim of genocide. Now if they stuck to something along the lines of we're just fighting to preserve our people and obtain our homeland etc and made the Israelis look like the aggressors that they are they could get more support. But an avowed aim of achieving that homeland by genocide is unsupportable. And by associating with such people damages both corbyn and the labour party.
Read discussionRegards corbyn his own associations will provide enough ammunition for his opponents.
I applaud him for his refusal to once share a platform with Nick griffin of the bnp saying he doesn't stand on stage with racists. Now that's a great principle. Griffin and his cohorts are pond slime.
But he's shared a platform with Islamic fundamentalists many of whom hold views as abhorrent as Nick griffin, certainly in terms of misogyny, homophobia, and racism.
So what's the difference? Where's the principle there?
I get the argument that to sort out the issues you have to engage with this sort of person. But it looks too much like he supports these people with his claims that the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah are harmless. Truth is they're fanatics with a publicly admitted aim of genocide. Now if they stuck to something along the lines of we're just fighting to preserve our people and obtain our homeland etc and made the Israelis look like the aggressors that they are they could get more support. But an avowed aim of achieving that homeland by genocide is unsupportable. And by associating with such people damages both corbyn and the labour party.
06 Sep 2015 17:48:43
Lastly I believe an element of the Saud family knew of the plan, approved it and supported it. But its a large family.
That bin laden received help from both contacts inside the Saud family and the business that farms in Virginia as well.
Read discussionLastly I believe an element of the Saud family knew of the plan, approved it and supported it. But its a large family.
That bin laden received help from both contacts inside the Saud family and the business that farms in Virginia as well.
06 Sep 2015 12:20:33
Well its Saudi funded and there funds come from the petrol.
The difficulty for me is how you balance the pro Zionist faction working with an anti Zionist faction to create Isis.
Read discussionWell its Saudi funded and there funds come from the petrol.
The difficulty for me is how you balance the pro Zionist faction working with an anti Zionist faction to create Isis.
06 Sep 2015 13:16:28
I worry for Corbyn.
The spin and propaganda against him is nothing short of bullying, but what did we expect?
I see the anti Semite label is well and truly being flung at him, even though he categorically denies this.
He's a brave man, but with respect t to him - at his age, why not stir it up by sticking to his principles?
Read discussionI worry for Corbyn.
The spin and propaganda against him is nothing short of bullying, but what did we expect?
I see the anti Semite label is well and truly being flung at him, even though he categorically denies this.
He's a brave man, but with respect t to him - at his age, why not stir it up by sticking to his principles?
06 Sep 2015 10:05:23
The Assad regime is a nasty piece of work. As I've said before I have spent time in the middle east as part of a diplomatic fact finding mission, with special relevance to certain topics that are classified. This took in trips to Damascus, Baghdad, and others. Now ill state i'm not an arab specialist, I was there partly because it was a crap assignment that no one wanted and I was at the time in the dog house. But also because I wasn't an arabist I was also an unbiased observer.
Bear in mind as a soviet citizen I was used to seeing people fear a secret police. But the middle east was a whole different level. I certainly didn't shed any tears for Hussein.
Now let's agree that the arab spring was stirred up by certain intelligence agencies. The fact remains that the conditions had to exist for people to be receptive. And anyone living under a dictatorship will be receptive. As the editor said the other day an imposed regime will always collapse.
Now for me the interesting thing is two years ago. When the west wanted to intervene but were blocked. The resulting vacuum created Isis and the refugee crisis.
Read discussionThe Assad regime is a nasty piece of work. As I've said before I have spent time in the middle east as part of a diplomatic fact finding mission, with special relevance to certain topics that are classified. This took in trips to Damascus, Baghdad, and others. Now ill state i'm not an arab specialist, I was there partly because it was a crap assignment that no one wanted and I was at the time in the dog house. But also because I wasn't an arabist I was also an unbiased observer.
Bear in mind as a soviet citizen I was used to seeing people fear a secret police. But the middle east was a whole different level. I certainly didn't shed any tears for Hussein.
Now let's agree that the arab spring was stirred up by certain intelligence agencies. The fact remains that the conditions had to exist for people to be receptive. And anyone living under a dictatorship will be receptive. As the editor said the other day an imposed regime will always collapse.
Now for me the interesting thing is two years ago. When the west wanted to intervene but were blocked. The resulting vacuum created Isis and the refugee crisis.
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TTTS · 06 Sep 2015 00:16
TTTS · 06 Sep 2015 00:1606 Sep 2015 01:11:12
Corbyn could be a spanner in the works. He wants ISIS removed but by asking all the right questions. Who's funding them , who's training them etc. Of course he knows. But the fact he want to wash the establishment's linen in public won't go down too well.
Food taster required?
Read discussionCorbyn could be a spanner in the works. He wants ISIS removed but by asking all the right questions. Who's funding them , who's training them etc. Of course he knows. But the fact he want to wash the establishment's linen in public won't go down too well.
Food taster required?
06 Sep 2015 00:28:39
The I word is difficult to even type.
I'm aware of the influence of Saudi Arabia but suspect this is a collective issue driven by the Americans (albeit with some rich pickings for the other conspirator countries!)
It would make sense that Turkey is driven in to Syria with all their national reserve forces, but I suspect this would potentially create a religious divide in Turkey and may be difficult.
Thanks for the informative info.
Read discussionThe I word is difficult to even type.
I'm aware of the influence of Saudi Arabia but suspect this is a collective issue driven by the Americans (albeit with some rich pickings for the other conspirator countries!)
It would make sense that Turkey is driven in to Syria with all their national reserve forces, but I suspect this would potentially create a religious divide in Turkey and may be difficult.
Thanks for the informative info.