02 Mar 2016 17:25:58
yep edd it shows you how thick they think we are .
cheers Kenny.
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02 Mar 2016 17:01:29
this EU debate has and will split the tory party so not as smooth as you paint it, if we vote in or out, cameron will be gone yes but a lot of pro europe people like osbourne and co will be around, so for instance if we vote yes to stay in and euro bureaucrats meddle in something you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a internal civil war in the tory party that usually happens in the labour party, even the right wing media are split on this bbc/ sky are usually 1 side or the other but they don't know what side to pick.
as for corbyn deep down he prob would vote no if he had the full backing of the PLP but he was never going europe to get it, the only reason he has not totally written off europe is the prospect of joining forces left wing groups in spain / portugal / greece etc in the eu, like I mentioned I disagree with lab/ corbyn on europe. we barely have a voice now but it will be ten times worse if we join europe .
Read discussionthis EU debate has and will split the tory party so not as smooth as you paint it, if we vote in or out, cameron will be gone yes but a lot of pro europe people like osbourne and co will be around, so for instance if we vote yes to stay in and euro bureaucrats meddle in something you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a internal civil war in the tory party that usually happens in the labour party, even the right wing media are split on this bbc/ sky are usually 1 side or the other but they don't know what side to pick.
as for corbyn deep down he prob would vote no if he had the full backing of the PLP but he was never going europe to get it, the only reason he has not totally written off europe is the prospect of joining forces left wing groups in spain / portugal / greece etc in the eu, like I mentioned I disagree with lab/ corbyn on europe. we barely have a voice now but it will be ten times worse if we join europe .
02 Mar 2016 16:12:15
In fairness Corbyn hadn't changed his views on a lot of subjects over the last 30 years. He has taken stick on this because on a lot of issues he does look out of date. But look who's been wielding the sticks. On some things he is out of date. But on others he is right.
Corbynistas keep saying the labour mps don't matter its the general labour party that matters. And given the large number of votes corbyn received then he could carry a large percentage of the wider party with him whichever way he jumps.
I would dispute he's playing a clever game. If Cameron wins it strengthens his faction, weakens rivals like Boris and gove and gives his chosen successor a free pass to the leadership. And he can use a successful yes vote to try and the tory split on Europe. Maybe unsuccessfully but the chance would be there.
If Cameron loses. He steps down and his successor, likely Boris takes charge of UK leaning even more to the right than last may. Giving corbyn a tough fight at the election.
What corbyn needs to do is pick his fight carefully and look at the larger picture rather than short term gains on Cameron bashing. If corbyn remains anti Europe he doesn't have to campaign with anyone he can on his own and present his own vision. If Corbyn flips and wants to stay in he can still campaign on his own just focusing on the issue and leave the tories to self destruct.
That's a very condensed version of 10k words I've put together on the subject. Very condensed.
Read discussionIn fairness Corbyn hadn't changed his views on a lot of subjects over the last 30 years. He has taken stick on this because on a lot of issues he does look out of date. But look who's been wielding the sticks. On some things he is out of date. But on others he is right.
Corbynistas keep saying the labour mps don't matter its the general labour party that matters. And given the large number of votes corbyn received then he could carry a large percentage of the wider party with him whichever way he jumps.
I would dispute he's playing a clever game. If Cameron wins it strengthens his faction, weakens rivals like Boris and gove and gives his chosen successor a free pass to the leadership. And he can use a successful yes vote to try and the tory split on Europe. Maybe unsuccessfully but the chance would be there.
If Cameron loses. He steps down and his successor, likely Boris takes charge of UK leaning even more to the right than last may. Giving corbyn a tough fight at the election.
What corbyn needs to do is pick his fight carefully and look at the larger picture rather than short term gains on Cameron bashing. If corbyn remains anti Europe he doesn't have to campaign with anyone he can on his own and present his own vision. If Corbyn flips and wants to stay in he can still campaign on his own just focusing on the issue and leave the tories to self destruct.
That's a very condensed version of 10k words I've put together on the subject. Very condensed.
02 Mar 2016 15:45:36
welcome back frankyscouser I have read and enjoyed your views for years.
Read discussionwelcome back frankyscouser I have read and enjoyed your views for years.
02 Mar 2016 14:29:24
glad apple are fighting this, pity steve jobs was still not around .
Read discussionglad apple are fighting this, pity steve jobs was still not around .
02 Mar 2016 12:58:58
kim ironic you say corbyn should stick to he's beliefs when he has constantly been attacked by everyone for his beliefs, as for the labour party in general I reckon at least 80% of the labour MPs are pro Europe .
to be honest I think corbyn is playing a clever game as this election will make or break Cameron and this migrant problem is a topical subject that will not go away, as many labour/ tories/ ukip/ libs and far right will vote to leave, this is a 50/ 50 toss of a coin hence the propaganda scare tactics are coming out like the Scottish independence vote a few years ago .
Read discussionkim ironic you say corbyn should stick to he's beliefs when he has constantly been attacked by everyone for his beliefs, as for the labour party in general I reckon at least 80% of the labour MPs are pro Europe .
to be honest I think corbyn is playing a clever game as this election will make or break Cameron and this migrant problem is a topical subject that will not go away, as many labour/ tories/ ukip/ libs and far right will vote to leave, this is a 50/ 50 toss of a coin hence the propaganda scare tactics are coming out like the Scottish independence vote a few years ago .
02 Mar 2016 11:55:29
Franky corbyn has been anti eu his whole political career. As have many on the labour left. Its the blairite centrist wing that are pro Europe. i'd like to see corbyn stick to what has said for years on this issue rather than short term tory bashing. Corbyn has an opportunity here for long term games by staying true to what he's said for over 35 years.
Read discussionFranky corbyn has been anti eu his whole political career. As have many on the labour left. Its the blairite centrist wing that are pro Europe. i'd like to see corbyn stick to what has said for years on this issue rather than short term tory bashing. Corbyn has an opportunity here for long term games by staying true to what he's said for over 35 years.
02 Mar 2016 08:14:03
It wouldn't make any difference to us, the general public if we stay or go, but see a lot of the scaremongering that happened during the Scottish independence vote, and it's proven that us in Scotland are definitely worse off now than before indie vote, with the majority of businesses who said they'd pull out have actually closed anyway.
Read discussionIt wouldn't make any difference to us, the general public if we stay or go, but see a lot of the scaremongering that happened during the Scottish independence vote, and it's proven that us in Scotland are definitely worse off now than before indie vote, with the majority of businesses who said they'd pull out have actually closed anyway.
02 Mar 2016 01:44:43
no doubt the establishment are terrified we pull out, I find it ironic the soundbite attack on migrants/ refugees that the tory/ media have been playing for the 6 years has come back to bite them on the ass.
for the record I will be voting out not for the same reasons as Boris Johnson, also I disagree with corbyn on this but deep down I think he would be fighting the Tories/ snp and most of he's backbench if he said he wanted out, so I can see why he never choose this fight, this is Cameron project and most telling is corbyn is not campaigning with Cameron to stay in Europe .
Read discussionno doubt the establishment are terrified we pull out, I find it ironic the soundbite attack on migrants/ refugees that the tory/ media have been playing for the 6 years has come back to bite them on the ass.
for the record I will be voting out not for the same reasons as Boris Johnson, also I disagree with corbyn on this but deep down I think he would be fighting the Tories/ snp and most of he's backbench if he said he wanted out, so I can see why he never choose this fight, this is Cameron project and most telling is corbyn is not campaigning with Cameron to stay in Europe .
01 Mar 2016 21:31:32
And he would be right.
Read discussionAnd he would be right.
01 Mar 2016 22:56:39
Its obvious to anyone with half a brain that the vote will be rigged, politics is a dirty game.
Read discussionIts obvious to anyone with half a brain that the vote will be rigged, politics is a dirty game.
27 Feb 2016 22:10:21
I wasn't being funny that was my point in truth there twenty years ahead of this in all likelyhood.
The little micro quad has similar tech to what that robot had in the video it's counterweight and a balance made by a chip+computer self righting it's movement clever but they do a lot more already.
Read discussionI wasn't being funny that was my point in truth there twenty years ahead of this in all likelyhood.
The little micro quad has similar tech to what that robot had in the video it's counterweight and a balance made by a chip+computer self righting it's movement clever but they do a lot more already.
27 Feb 2016 21:42:01
I have also see a few different scientist videos on youtube
Stating that Einstein was such
But in truth how best to stop scientist learning science without them knowing they have been stopped! Indoctrinate them.
It is also hard to comprehend just what is achievable with what some of these people can demonstrate but never have mainstream attention or funding because it's not wanted for them personally.
Very similar to Colombus in a way
Most of us don't leave britian how do we know there is only certain amount of countries. Becuase were shown the globe from day one.
Also the way we are taught about a boat on water disappearing bottom to top in the distance is because the ship is dropping below the curve of our planet get binoculars and u will see same ship in full sight.
Also I might be dumb and please fill me in if we have travelled space in such great detail how come they can't take a special type of I don't know cannon camera and take real pictures of planets they just get artist to make a impression type of art picture or photoshop. Most of what we know I believe is nowhere near the real picture.
Read discussionI have also see a few different scientist videos on youtube
Stating that Einstein was such
But in truth how best to stop scientist learning science without them knowing they have been stopped! Indoctrinate them.
It is also hard to comprehend just what is achievable with what some of these people can demonstrate but never have mainstream attention or funding because it's not wanted for them personally.
Very similar to Colombus in a way
Most of us don't leave britian how do we know there is only certain amount of countries. Becuase were shown the globe from day one.
Also the way we are taught about a boat on water disappearing bottom to top in the distance is because the ship is dropping below the curve of our planet get binoculars and u will see same ship in full sight.
Also I might be dumb and please fill me in if we have travelled space in such great detail how come they can't take a special type of I don't know cannon camera and take real pictures of planets they just get artist to make a impression type of art picture or photoshop. Most of what we know I believe is nowhere near the real picture.
27 Feb 2016 21:25:01
Ed this seems a lot like zero energy dr keshe was talking of
Only difference is these have gone along with feeding to the grid so we can keep paying elec company's and using when prices are of peak lol wot from 12.30 midnight to 5.00in morning .
Or am I missing something ed
Read discussionEd this seems a lot like zero energy dr keshe was talking of
Only difference is these have gone along with feeding to the grid so we can keep paying elec company's and using when prices are of peak lol wot from 12.30 midnight to 5.00in morning .
Or am I missing something ed
27 Feb 2016 21:24:49
In all honesty if that's the best they got I wouldn't be to worried but
Is that the best they got
Director of the skunk works openly stated that anything tech wise made (mainstream) is at least 20 years behind what is really possible.
Read discussionIn all honesty if that's the best they got I wouldn't be to worried but
Is that the best they got
Director of the skunk works openly stated that anything tech wise made (mainstream) is at least 20 years behind what is really possible.
27 Feb 2016 16:21:09
another brilliant david icke video.
Read discussionanother brilliant david icke video.
26 Feb 2016 21:00:45
Brain transplants, artificial sperm, GMC, Man made viruses, GM Mosquitoes the depopulation of the planet, androids, nuclear station disasters, things have really been cranked up this last decade.
Read discussionBrain transplants, artificial sperm, GMC, Man made viruses, GM Mosquitoes the depopulation of the planet, androids, nuclear station disasters, things have really been cranked up this last decade.
26 Feb 2016 20:04:21
Wow that video is scary! It's been brainstormed for decades. I think my life has been timed perfectly but it's going to be scary for the new breed.
Read discussionWow that video is scary! It's been brainstormed for decades. I think my life has been timed perfectly but it's going to be scary for the new breed.
26 Feb 2016 15:49:35
Terminators will be used in civil unrest situs within the next couple of decades.
We need a global Bastille before we are policed by robots.
You can also imagine the scale of people dumped on a scrapheap with no form of income if manual handling, assembly line, administration jobs are taken by androids.
Governments are at the minute cutting benefits under the pretents they are eliminating scroungers but in reality they are slowly eradicating their responsibility to look after their citizens so that when people are finally replaced by machines people care will be cost free.
Read discussionTerminators will be used in civil unrest situs within the next couple of decades.
We need a global Bastille before we are policed by robots.
You can also imagine the scale of people dumped on a scrapheap with no form of income if manual handling, assembly line, administration jobs are taken by androids.
Governments are at the minute cutting benefits under the pretents they are eliminating scroungers but in reality they are slowly eradicating their responsibility to look after their citizens so that when people are finally replaced by machines people care will be cost free.
25 Feb 2016 23:59:02
So now Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain and Saudi citizens are told to get out and stay out of lebanon. Gulf news story about this below.
goo.gl/sT3bZA
Read discussionSo now Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain and Saudi citizens are told to get out and stay out of lebanon. Gulf news story about this below.
goo.gl/sT3bZA