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Reply · Melbourne CFC · 19 Aug 2015 13:49
19 Aug 2015 14:28:09
The word meltdown comes to mind. Is definitely the last thing I wanted though, hopefully she reconsiders.

And as Ed033 said, you don't have to prove anything, and posting in Russian wouldn't change my mind anyway mate. It isn't hard to do on the internet.

From your first unregistered argument with Franky and Ed033, I never thought you were what you have hinted at for various reasons. It shouldn't worry you Kim, I am just a silly Aussie in the scheme on things
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Reply · frankyscouser · 19 Aug 2015 12:57
19 Aug 2015 13:27:32
well mrs e you are right about 1 thing , I can not pick and choose stories from the media if I think the media is a propaganda tool, my whole stance remains the same about what type of leader is needed and I hope you pick wisely , have a good day.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 19 Aug 2015 12:57
19 Aug 2015 13:44:58
[russian text deleted]
{Ed033's Note - you don't have to prove anything.
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Reply · Melbourne CFC · 19 Aug 2015 12:43
19 Aug 2015 13:15:59
Mr E must have it easy if you consider that a meltdown!

My issue is you saying things and as soon as Ed001 put an reasonable argument to you, you ignored it and moved onto the next thing. More than once. I really don't mind what you read, but when it comes to finances and currency, I am in no doubt it is a mainstream source.
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Reply · Mrs E · 19 Aug 2015 11:58
19 Aug 2015 12:40:26
Melbourne I have no issues with anyone either but having a meltdown because you think I've been reading a newspaper is mental stuff!

Labours manifesto (which I was on about) has nothing to do with 'msm'

Cheers anyway guys
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Reply · Melbourne CFC · 19 Aug 2015 11:22
19 Aug 2015 12:14:48
I thought I said bloke, which in my personal experiences on earth tend to be the much fairer sex ;) I do apologise though Kim. Still think you're about as Russian as Vegemite
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Reply · KimPhilby · 19 Aug 2015 11:21
19 Aug 2015 12:07:51
My patronymic ends in ovna for those that understand Russian naming conventions.
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Reply · Melbourne CFC · 19 Aug 2015 10:58
19 Aug 2015 11:25:41
I'd love to get Kim on as well, bloke still hasn't convinced me he is Russian.
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Reply · Mrs E · 19 Aug 2015 09:52
19 Aug 2015 10:48:05
From CND's website, we don't own the trident missiles we use and are linked into the U.S. with a treaty between UK and U.S. I can't see CND publishing rubbish on their official website. The millions spent though on the whole thing is enough to make you ill.

One massive plus for Corbyn, he is exposing the pretend socialist lefty bubble of SNP supporters up here who wrote some not very nice things about him recently. Jeremy said he is a Socialist and not a nationalist or unionist - this went down like a led balloon. Although it comes as no shock that a typical nationalist would attack a real left wing socialist. There have also been a few hastily written blogs by SNP supporters explaining they never claimed to be socialist or left wing (aye right)

With regards Amazon etc, Labour also had tax avoidance of big companies in their manifestos and again lost the election.

Blair won 3 elections from the centre, there wasn't really any left/right wing involved. You could argue Black Wednesday also played a part in low confidence in the Tories at that time and any Labour leader could have won but again opinions vary on this.

Franky I'm cynical of the whole newspaper thing - an observation being, we have gone from not believing a single thing in newspapers to taking what we read on social media as gospel. Is that just not swapping one inaccuracy for another - just because a twitter account has 'Corbyn for Leader' on their profile pic, does that mean the 140 character tweet is 100% accurate?
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Reply · Melbourne CFC · 19 Aug 2015 09:27
19 Aug 2015 08:41:39
If I could send a standing ovation via a post, I would Ed001.

I have no problem with Mrs E, as I'm sure you dont, but have a real problem with people that use the tact she has, when have no real justification for their arguments or beliefs, yet try and laugh down others.

The Capitalistic, materilistic, Western world that the majority of here live in, has rules and regulations that are based more in fantasy than fact. Especially the financially sector, but unfortunately most people just play along, blindly following eachother.

Yourself and Ed033 most certainly need to do a podcast for this site. Would be fascinating. Maybe some for the real hardcore theorists on the page, and some on topics like this, Ganghis Khan etc. as I know your knowledge of history is right. I think doing something like that would be hugely beneficial to help educate people, including myself.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 19 Aug 2015 04:20
19 Aug 2015 00:27:09
i myself can not send links because of this crap laptop but
big corporations like amazon/starbucks etc do not pay tax because they report losses every year ,as a example the chief exec of starbucks mark fox reckons it will be 2017 when they will make a profit ,in other words that's code for profits in the past and present are shipped off overseas .

sorry I don't know if we own or lease trident

you want a leader to win the next election so does that mean going more right like blair since milliband was so left wing? or do we go to our roots and try to engage the sleeping 30 to 40%?forget the media they are there as a tool to frighten the masses with bile propaganda if you watch that documentary you will know were I am coming from.

as for the other two candidates cooper concerns me more than burnham ,her and edd balls milking the expenses ,flipping there home three times does not sit right with me, as for burnham underneath I think he wants to do right but he's a follower never a leader, that's just my take on it.
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Reply · Mrs E · 18 Aug 2015 22:14
18 Aug 2015 20:30:48
C'mon Franky corporation tax is not zero.

I never said I was against any of his proposals and I've also said the only candidate I've ruled out is Liz Kendall - I'm listening to both sides of the arguments as I don't want the equivalent of tunnel vision. You guys think it shouldn't do that and it's talking down or whatever, that's your opinion but I'm not phased either way.

I could be wrong but I'm sure I read you joined the Labour Party solely to vote for Jeremy Corbyn. I joined after the referendum because I want a Labour Government. I'm also a Shop,Steward with UNISON and part of their Labour Link (yes the largest trade union is still affiliated to Labour)

My initial post was this 'They have to look at that, Labour can't implement any of their policies whilst in opposition and we have a majority Tory Govt' and I still stand by this - Labour including Jeremy Corbyn cannot implement any of their polices whilst in opposition, they have to be elected.

With regards Corporation Tax - Labour were criticised for having it in their manifesto and could be a reason they lost and is one reason Ed Miliband was accused of being too left wing. I agree that corporation tax should be raised however the downside is businesses will recoup this lost revenue elsewhere - lower wages, increase their prices etc.

When Labour announced their plans to increase corporation tax the headlines were 'Labour's corporation tax plans would be a disaster for investment and growth' (I would post links but this iPad doesn't let me on this site for some reason)

You can correct me on this if you want, I'm open to knowledge - our nuclear weapons, we don't make them or own them? They are leased from America? No sure - I'd like to cut our links with America, no harm to Americans but it feels we are their puppets at times.

I'm opposed to trident and do recognise that we have reduced the amount we have. I also support multilateral disarmament (Strange that SNP still want to remain part of NATO if independent and support conventional weapons)

Red Tories and Tory lite and just not terms I'm interested in but that is just my opinion. Labours manifesto was nothing like the Tories, - if we had won Bedroom tax would have been gone within 100 days and zero hour contracts, this is not Tory policies.

As I've said, I joined Labour, vote Labour and want a Labour Government and is the reason I want a leader that the UK will vote for and the reason I listen to all arguments no matter what.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 18 Aug 2015 18:34
18 Aug 2015 19:27:02
raise it? they pay nothing now.
am not on a token gesture I am talking about about a proportion tax to what profits they make.
again mrs e is there any of JC proposals you are against?
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Reply · Mrs E · 18 Aug 2015 17:39
18 Aug 2015 17:50:16
Franky Corpoartion tax was in their manifesto - Labour planned to raise it

Cheers
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Reply · frankyscouser · 18 Aug 2015 16:40
18 Aug 2015 17:24:49
yes kim we need a strategy on energy but the main point is we have better alternative options out there ,solar/wind/waves

as for trident my personal opinion is the pros outweigh the cons of getting shut of it.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 18 Aug 2015 15:44
18 Aug 2015 16:13:16
No that's fair enough, as I said education should be free, I just think there should be more of a drive for technical careers like engineers and scientists to make the technology of the future, to help more people. Most of the problems in the world we could solve through our inventiveness.

Regards energy production you need a clear and coherent strategy. At the last election nobody really had one. And it is a something that needs tackling as the gas and oil supply is too unstable, the nuclear option is dangerous and your infrastructure is creaking. I'm not really a fan of wind power, especially onshore, but tidal power could work fantastically well.

Lastly regards trident I understand but it kept the peace between our sides for half a century with only 2 serious episodes. Cuba in '62 and Able Archer '83. Look at India and Pakistan? How many wars since 1947? And how many since both had the bomb? Sure i'd like rid of them but you couldn't leave yourself defenceless and reliant on the Americans. And of course people would vote for lower taxes but people vote on the x factor thinking its a talent contest.
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