18 Aug 2015 16:22:33 MRS E you are missing my whole point , its not what's in LAB manifesto that makes them similar to the tories ,its NOT what's in it.
tution fees stance on the middle east no tackling cooperation tax etc the things that I have stated on previous posts ,
i might be phrasing my posts wrong but that's what I meant.
18 Aug 2015 14:45:58 free student places should be a given , how many nurses/doctors come from abroad?we should open it up so our children are qualified to go into the profession , my daughter is on a gap year down under but when she comes back she is going to finish of her law degree ,shes saddled with debt already so now shes thinking of going to germany(i think berlin) to finish her course because its free ,which by the way I am proud of but it should not have to be that way, I want my youngest daughter to be able to go to uni and study what ever field she wants to go in for free.
as for trident if there was a referendum on keeping it and paying higher taxes or getting shut of it and paying lower taxes I am pretty sure it would be gone,as for the other countries keeping it ,all it takes is 1 nutter to set ww3 off and no matter if he had trident it would not save me or my family .
energy , denmark's energy is made up of 40% renewable energy with windpower generating a 140% of denmark's electricity demands , the technology is out there but because the rich can not make any money from it the fracking proposal gets pushed forward.
18 Aug 2015 13:04:16 I actually agree with most of those policies Franky.
Tax avoidance goes without saying.
Free student places likewise, but I'd have to caveat that saying so many places should be technical subjects like science and engineering and less subjects like law, psychology and media.
Fracking again seems obvious. Not enough evidence to suggest that it is safe. But again a caveat how do you sort out your long term power needs?
Peace talks in all for, but good luck in getting everyone else to take it seriously.
Public ownership if done correctly can be a good thing. But you have to avoid the levels of corruption that existed in the USSR or the inefficiencies that existed in 1970s Britain. This isn't me saying I agreed with privatisation just that they were ran poorly. Some of this was deliberate to cause privatisation so you would need to embed safeguards.
And the one I disagree with is trident. Sure if everyone else scraps them then great. But in a world where so many unpredictable powers like Russia, China, America, India, Israel, Pakistan and north Korea all have them then I would advise keeping them.
18 Aug 2015 11:33:56 i was being conservative edd (pardon the pun ) with % , I am pretty sure for the last 20 odd years its been between 30 to 40 % that never voted , in fact when blair was in power I and most of my family never voted.
why do skinner and corbyn stay in the lab party?pretty sure they they were brought up on real lab values and judging by skinner and corbyns stance on going against the parties stance on like for example iraq etc and let's be honest they are very popular in there constituency because they have been voted in for the last 30 years because of there views .
i knew hillsbourough will eventually will come out with burnham , let me make this very clear MRS E, THIS WAS COMING OUT BEFORE BURNHAM, I have a good mate who me and him went the games back in the day ,i slept in that date(long story) he went and one of his counsins died also one of the wife's relatives died,i am not going into detail but I can assure you this was coming out, LAB knew this and it was damage control , papers will show in the future that murdoch asked blair not to look the families appeal and jack straw conveniently skipped over the main points of any inquest , if you go back in time blair was the only LAB prime minister who never got well and truly trashed by murdoch or right wing press and to this day they still use him as a yardstick , did burnham speed up process? yes he did with the backing of his bosses who knew it was a matter of time before this would come out.
as for policies in 2015 that that are the same as LAB, the welfare bill are pretty much the same , the term torylite sticks to mind, 1 party taking of the poor another party taking a little bit less of the poor is not what I call a clear difference , and edd milliband was classed as too left wing for gods sake , so that means lab have to go more right wing to get in power?
honest to god I see it on twitter I see it DAILY on the media ,corbyn vision is fantasy blah blah blah ,its propaganda , again mrs e out of interest which of the many things that JC has proposed do you dissagree with? anti fracking? free student places? trident? public ownership of transport/energy? peace talks? tax avoidence?
the other two (not including kendall she is more of a tory than a tory)
will use the same blueprint as blair and that will only mean one thing more conflict in the middle east and more grinding down the poorest . with corbyn I can see genuine hope ,this guy reminds me of the leaders in south america in the late 80s/90s its a very similar situation without the violence , there's a documentary called south of the border on youtube you could check out below?
18 Aug 2015 08:58:20 The mines are not flooded and nobody has bronchitis - is that what your telling me? You would reopen them & send guys back down with no second thought?
Sorry Ed001, you've just thrown insults but given absolutely no examples of how Labour made the rich richer? The rich 'blame' Labour for crashing the economy for being too soft with the Welfare State and NHS!
You are opposing for the sake of opposing but offering no alternative - no you can't just print money, that is fantasy stuff. Can I ask did you ever have a season ticket for Anfield and if so why? This is a luxury and you should have given this money to the poor.
18 Aug 2015 07:45:13 Franky - Jeremy Corbyn is a LABOUR MP and has been a Labour Party member longer than I've been alive, same with guys like Denis Skinner.
If Labour was the same as the Tories do you honestly think these guys would have stuck around. Please remember the media is no friend of the left wing and Andy Burnham has been very instumental with the Hillsborough inquiry so much so some won't back him through fear of how tough Murdoch's media will be on him. He recently refused to give an interview to the S×n for his leadership campaign. Tom Watson running for deputy isn't far at his back on the Murdoch hit list.
With regards the Poll Tax, if it was splitting hairs why was there not the same demonstrations?
If you think Labour and Tory are the same, I will ask again, what policies in Labours 2015 General Election was the same as the Tories?
In his first 2 terms in charge Tony Blair was an excellent Prime Minister however totally agree all the good he did is overshadowed by Iraq. He's still the best Prime Minister in my lifetime and Labour have done more for this Country side the end of the 2nd World War than any other Party - anyone thinking otherwise has fell hook line and sinker for the right wing media propaganda.
No, I haven't voted yet. I'm still thinking about it but I've ruled out Liz Kendall. No doubt Jeremy will make me feel good about myself but is that enough?
1. The Government can't solve UK problems by creating money, this is irresponsible and fantasy stuff.
2. Jeremy plans to pay for all his spending commitments from a 120bn tax crackdown - sound too good to be true, that's because it is
3. He wants to reopen mines regardless that they closed due to serious flooding and left a legacy of ill health.
18 Aug 2015 01:10:08 splitting hairs council tax better than the poll tax bit like hanging or drowning as for blair to me he is as bad as thatcher ,with thatcher you knew the poor were going to get fleeced,blair on the other hand done as much damage to the working class as thatcher with his treatment of the unions, I won't go into his role in the middle east because I could be here another hour ,
i really don't see were you get the notion that lab are any different to cons,this corbyn propaganda proves that , getting attacked daily from every party and media outlet ,honest to god it drives me nuts when people say he's too left, do we all want wars?do we all want fracking? do we all want trident? do we all want massive cooperations not getting taxed?do we all want energy and transport firms charging what they want?
this will be the first time in 30 odd years that there will be a clear difference between the two parties and before people jump on the bandwagon about too left ,think about this over a quarter of the uk population do not vote, why? maybe its for the reasons I have stated about the parties being similar, now do you think any of the people that don't vote are tories? I very much doubt it because they have to much to lose , so that leaves the 25% or more who are not inspired by any of them .
your other points about the monarchy and political correctness I agree with .
out of interest MRS E have you voted in this lab election if not who would you have voted for?
I don't want a lawless society or anarchy so what kind of Government do we want? Westminster needs a total overhaul.
Labour might not have done away with House of Lords but they did its biggest reform in decades (if not centuary).
For what's it's worth I'd do away with the Royals, I find them a needless expense.
I get fed-up with political correctness and nanny state mentality.
The reason Labour are not in Goverment is their manifesto was too left wing - find me 1 item that was the same as the Tories. If you can't find any then you've been conned.
17 Aug 2015 21:30:45 Council Tax is far better than poll tax. Labour fought Thatcher tooth and nail but She was still voted in 3 times and this was not because we couldn't tell the difference.
I know this comes as a shock to some but we have folk in our Country who do not want to pay for an NHS & welfare state that they never use. These folk vote Tory as they see Labour as too soft on the economy etc.
The Welfare State, NHS, defence etc isn't paid for by itself - every working UK citizen pays for them.
Labour & Tory never have been, never will be the same. Having taken a step back from the Scottish referendum (I was a staunch Yes) what we are fighting against is nationalism in its ugliest form. I'm quite surprised it's not been picked up upon on this page.
What has been brought in up here for example: -
Offensive behaviour at Football Act - widely criticised by human rights groups Named Persons Legislation Centralised Police force which left 2 dead on the side of the road the other week Scottish Police Force spying on journalists
I could go on further but nationalism is no democracy and the Scottish First Minister is the highest paid politician in the UK incidentally. Champagne socialism?
Franky which Party has done more for you in your lifetime, who has been the best Prime Minister - I bet it's Labour & Tony Blair (war criminal)
17 Aug 2015 19:42:46 sorry Mrs E but to say LAB have been opposing Tories is a myth. will give you one as an example. the poll tax was fought on the streets all over the country when thatcher was in power. what happened when new LAB came to power?erm the name got changed to the council tax. that is one of many. the fact is lab has lost its roots all over the country and 30/40% do not vote, why? maybe because there is no real difference between the two parties.
17 Aug 2015 08:05:35 Labour are vocal in opposing the Tories however Scotland and some parts of England didn't want a Labour Government.
They have to look at that, Labour can't implement any of their policies whilst in opposition and we have a majority Tory Govt.
Nationalism (the nasty side) is well and truly on the rise. A Nationally prescribed School Uniform has been put forward by the SNP Minister for Education, a SNP Councillor resigned last week over racism - still only a minority seem alarmed!
15 Aug 2015 02:41:11 Offical report says a shipment of explosives caught fire, igniting other dangerous chemicals in surrounding buildings.
I haven't seen explosives that make the initial fire dance as shown on the video before, so no doubt something strange going on. I wonder if it involves what is going on in the sea off Southern China.
14 Aug 2015 14:44:02 yep everyone asumes the tv show show the walking dead is about a zombie attack ,when you really study it the show is about the human race packing into groups/gangs and fighting others groups .
14 Aug 2015 09:42:31 anyone know what exactly happened though? or atleast a link to it? I've seen some videos and that kind of explosion only happens in movies with CGIs, very sad to see.
13 Aug 2015 23:34:28 good read edd ,the best outcome out of all the scenarios would be the grid going in my opinion , a sort of reset button back to our tribal past.
frankyscouser · 18 Aug 2015 15:44