frankyscouser’s profile

14 Sep 2015 23:15:41
Good. Now can we get back to the aliens?

14 Sep 2015 19:10:02
wether corbyn goes or not is not the point edd the members which I am now officially one today have made the party aware we want change ,it really needed this because politics never really interested me before , they use jargon to bore you or make you feel that you are not intelligent enough to understand in a patronizing way ,this will change the lab party.

kim agreed all countries should coordinate and stop these monsters but you know that will never happen when people come second to the oil and war trade .

and no hard feeling buddy.

14 Sep 2015 18:45:28
I must say I've quite enjoyed reading this 'debate'.
Looking forward to the podcast.
ding ding round 2 :-)

14 Sep 2015 18:22:04
If he turned around and said if I win a general election and after renationalisation of the railways and the utilities I will nationalise the banks, reduce unfair charges on people and curtail excessive bonuses then that would be noteworthy.

Id also like to see a coordinated strategy on the war in Syria and the rest. Islamic extremists threaten us all, Russia, Europe and America. Why do you think putins suddenly interested. Its been pointed out to him some of these people pouring into the Syria are Russian chechens. And when they leave Syria? Or if they win in Syria? Hence now pouring in aid to Assad. Which I disagree with. Propping up a dictator to defeat fanatics.

And I accept your apology.

14 Sep 2015 16:10:39
edd your jumping the gun ,when have I said it had to do with corbyn?

this for the 3rd or 4th time has never been about the man , its about policies that resonates with people.

david icke agrees with you in a way with corbyn is not the answer but its a start in the right direction.

this austerity squeeze is hitting everyone and it surprises you that people want a different voice? sanders/corbyn/podemos are popular because they go against the grain .

yep I take your point I could be biased but I live in a very biased society that treats people with money/power one way and the rest a other a way.

education and respect? fair enough
i would not dare to guess why they do it , maybe some are brainwashed maybe some are just pure evil and maybe some have lost all of there familes in the the iraq war, who knows?
maybe we should educate the uk public and say we are working with terrorist regimes all over the world now.

14 Sep 2015 16:50:39
just remind me kim were did the bailout money go? yeah back to the banks .

lets talk about you can not spend what you don't have ,we lend from the bank of england and pay interest .

listen we can go back and forth about policies the simple fact is people are fed up they way things are being run .

and kim on reflection I was being harsh on you , I apologize for calling you a right wing neo con .

14 Sep 2015 16:07:38
Exactly. Education. Proper fair trade. Properly instituted political systems and not tyrannical dictators or corrupt monarchies. Less religion and more teaching people to respect others.

Hamas. Who's stated aim of a Palestinian homeland is to be achieved by genocide. And if I recall correctly that election was called into question by the united nations.

You mention Greece. What's happened in Greece is 40 years of socialism failed. The country is bankrupt. Kept afloat by tourism and bailouts. And they expect the bailouts to be free. When told no you need to pay it back and get your house in order they threw the toys out the pram.

Its simple economics. You can't spend more than you earn. This is why all these socialist European countries are struggling. This is why the soviet union collapsed.

I don't really see how spending even more money is answer to already massive debts. Increasing the debt is plain stupidity.

Sure ramp up taxes on people who can afford to pay it and cut spending where it needs to be cut. But throwing extra billions on top of trillions of debt makes no sense.

14 Sep 2015 14:51:19
must be a figment of my imagination what is happening all over europe then , greece spain scotland ireland .

and if propaganda will win then it failed miserably in this leadership election .

and again I am asking you guys what is your solution to this terror groups?

14 Sep 2015 13:05:32
correct edd its all about the people awareness not accepting austerity and finally standing as a movement behind those ideas being put forward.

this is rocking the uk like it never have has before and has people engaging more on issues that effect people like myself , and like it or not there is a change of let's think outside the box.

talking with isis? kim he has spoke to the elected hamas who's political aims were to have the palestein people to have human rights and I am pretty sure he has not said he wants talks with isis because it would be on msm 24/7 , I repeat he's aim is to stop our so called allies funding and giving them weapons and I am pretty sure bernie sanders is saying the same type of things in the usa .

you have never said you don't want peace , again I ask you what do we do?

kim you mention gay rights , the most prominent gay activist peter thatchil (who I detest btw) is firmly behind corbyn which might surprise you?

i want two fingers up to the establishment?ironic statement that when they have always looked after there own and stuck two fingers up to the people who have built this country .

14 Sep 2015 13:15:11
But what's he waking up?

His entire program is the same as Michael foots. It didn't work in 1983. It won't work now. Thatcher destroyed the working class. Labour was only able to win an election under Blair by abandoning long standing socialist policies such as clause 4. As soon as labour started moving to the extreme left again it started losing elections again.

The labour party of the 1980s was controlled by the unions and the unions were controlled by Moscow.

I'm not really breaking any secrets here as its all in the public domain. But the two most influential unionists in the labour party were kgb controlled. And these two put plenty of their favourites into safe labour seats. People who could and in fact later did take control of tbd parliamentary labour party.

Corbyn was never an asset of the kgb as he was regarded, somewhat ironically, as someone who wouldn't process far enough in the party because of his extremist views. However he was regarded as someone who would be approachable for support if needed.

14 Sep 2015 13:17:45
And if you want to corroborate that either track down my old boss at the London embassy Colonel Oleg Gordievsky or fly to Moscow, go a few miles outside and look up Anatoly Chernyaev, former head of the successor organisation to the Comintern and moscows leg man between the Kremlin and the labour party.

14 Sep 2015 12:20:09
And where did I say I didn't want peace? As I said earlier you can talk peace with groups like Sinn Fein or the plo because they have realistic political aims.

But your talking about peace talks with Isis. What are the political aims there? They want to impose a backwards totalitarian regime on people. So there's no starting point for talks. Islamic fundamentalism is totally incompatible with a modern liberal democracy. But many in the labour party are happy to associate with these people as it buys votes. That's hypocrisy.

How does anyone, not just corbyn, but anyone in the labour party associating with oppressive fundamentalists progress the cause of socialism. As I asked yesterday how do you think feminists and gay rights campaigners feel?

All you seem focused on us having an outsider like corbyn to cone in and stick two fingers up to the establishment.

14 Sep 2015 09:52:50
Thank you editor 001 you understood what I was trying to say.

Franky I have never watched fox news. I stand up for women's rights and gay rights and I'm dismissed as a right winger? I've consistently said all regimes in the middle east have shocking records on human rights but I'm a right winger?

I admire you for your passionate defence of your principles. At least you have some unlike so many.

But I would not pin your hopes on corbyn. I fear you will end up very disappointed.

14 Sep 2015 11:05:44
first of all edd I am very calm when I wrote that as I am calm now.
I stand by claim that it is totally hypocrisy by kim to suggest by sharing a platform makes him a apologist , the saudi flag was raised at half mask at buckingham palace when there dictator died last year who was doing the exact same stuff to people as isis and let's be real about this ,they and turkey are funding and training these terrorist.

so like I have mentioned he was one of the first to open talks with sinn fein back in the day which brought peace when it was very raw and he copped flak then but he was never a leader so this has amplified .

btw can any of you guys give me a alternative to talking? because plan A ain't working.

time will tell if he's fraud but I will stand by my claim that this is not about corbyn it never has been, this is about a change to peoples awareness that enough is enough and instead of accepting what the talking heads are saying ,we as a group movement can make a change , hence the massive amount of numbers that have joined the lab party , nearly a million which has never happened before in british history .

lastly edd how is the podcast idea on this site going? I would like to maybe having a debate with kim or anyone else on this subject or any other believe it or not ufo stuff is my first love.

13 Sep 2015 23:07:51
firmly center don't make me laugh , your views are a mix of fox news/sky news rhetoric .

give me one just one example that corbyn admits to supporting homophobic and misogynist views.

i bet you all the rubles in russia you can't , but if you want to go there I could give you plenty of examples that our government past and present thinks its ok ,remind me again homophobic and misogynist views erm the saudi arabia dictatorship have those same views do they not? funny that you have never called the tories or new LAB out on this subject .

as for corbyn not making a election ,if it was a split or narrow win then there would be a good chance that could happen , but he annihilated the opposition and thankfully the people choose the leader not the PLP.

13 Sep 2015 21:18:49
Corbyn is a Trotskyist. You should look into the history of your own party.

You dodged the point I made about asking are you happy to support a man who supports people with extreme homophobic and misogynist views.

No I am not right wing. Firmly on the centre left thank you.

Besides, Corbyn probably won't make it to the general election.

13 Sep 2015 18:06:13
dodged your points? you started with a right wing neo con statement about the west getting dragged into the middle east and my reply about funded dictators who fund these manics should have covered all of your points.

we agree about stopping these terrorists but my and your methods are miles away from each other .

correct NO ONE is saying usa uk and israel is perfect until now ,maybe that is why the right wing are getting rattled , your not ring wing by any chance are you kim?

haha trotskyist? you could not fill a school gym of labour trotskyist ,i can not speak for every lab voter but the vast amount I do speak to want the same thing as I do .

13 Sep 2015 18:08:09
corbyn stance on terror is simple , find out who are funding them then stop the supply.

13 Sep 2015 17:03:50
Nice that you dodged every other point I made.

13 Sep 2015 17:09:49
Corbyns stance on terror is he doesn't have one.

No one is saying the Americans or the British or the Israelis are perfect.

The labour party has been taken over by a neo Trotskyist group. And the extreme left is not a good thing. Especially when allying itself to a bunch of religious fascists.