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Read a similar Facebook post. It is a hoax. Got me worrying though because imagine it is something that is now very possible.

Dirksengineroom

Agreed mate, another thing is bank charges if your ever overdrawn, £15 to £25 a utter complete rip off, if I remember right abroad do not charge you or it was no more than £2, before I became bankrupt I rang my bank at got them to drop the charges as I demanded them to send me proof that it cost them £25 to notify me that I was overdrawn, the bank sales rep started stuttering then passed me to his line manager who did not want to look stupid next to his employee and rein-burst the charges.

17 Feb 2014 20:47:23
I went bankrupt in 2010 after relocating my business in 2007. Banks are corrupt they move the goal posts take profit out of your account against any business plan you have made with them. Turn the screws all the time but hey ho even if I had no heating the thought of taking hsbc for 36000 will keep me warm seems as they forced me to go bankrupt;-) And I would recommend anyone who can't afford to repay their debts to do the same.
Its really nice telling debt collectors to do one and giving them only your bankruptcy number.
P1

Thanks Zari, helpful as usual.

Have always been interested in sustainable living principles, which seems to go hand in hand with much of this. I would be interested in looking into such things in my life as the opportunity arises.

I too appreciate the importance of this particular point;
"In regards to individual action one must be educated, ready to accept responsibility and defend themselves before setting things in motion. "

Sounds wise to me.

Thanks for the response,
Harold

That is for everyone to decide for themselves and imagination is the key.
Ignoring and disobeying the establishment on both an individual and collective level would be the most effective.
In regards to individual action one must be educated, ready to accept responsibility and defend themselves before setting things in motion.

There are people who no longer pay any form of taxes (income, property etc. ) and import tariffs, do not vote, do not use the centralized banking system for their transactions (barter system), cultivate their own food and are responsible for satisfying their own energy needs. Additionally, one could go the Charles Veitch megaphone public speaking way,
http://www.youtube.com/user/cveitch/videos
Of course on a collective level, with the right group of people, these are easier to achieve. In such a scenario people could still use utilities but not pay for them. No company will be allowed to shut water, electricity, public transport services to a whole town.
People could even launch a lawful rebellion based on article 61 of magna carta 1215 as previously explained by ed033.
zari

Jones is like mar mite and I don't agree with him on a lot of things, he puts the information out that he gets without really checking it out and there is prob a lot of dis info he gets that he puts out, maybe its because his show is getting bigger and he needs to put anything out without any real substance, I liked the early A JONES when he made many documentary's about waco and he spent a while on that subject (well worth a look at on youtube)

Hi zari,

"There is no need to engage the establishment, all one needs to do is disentangle themselves from its tentacles and watch the structure tumble"

Can you expand on this, in terms of practical or tangible actions? Do you mean not voting, not using banks, going 'off grid' in terms of energy supply etc?

Thanks, Harold

They are opposite ends of a dualistic system.
The brain is conditioned to think of something oppressive as an inclusive system and mistakenly assumes that with enough effort it can be improved upon. Whereas in reality, the establishment is non inclusive but dependent on those it oppresses.
There is no need to engage the establishment, all one needs to do is disentangle themselves from its tentacles and watch the structure tumble.
zari

I take much of what Alex Jones says with a pinch of salt. He tends to exaggerate and hyperbolise. It's also frustrating how if you disagree with him you're a 'trendy' and how he constantly claims the stuff he says is 'on record' without ever producing a single shred of proof.

He is entertaining though.

Exotiva.

16 Feb 2014 23:11:33
They are interchangeable, one runs the other.

Kim Philby

Agree with what you are saying Kim, except on the use of the word system.
System: an assemblage or combination of things or parts forming a complex or unitary whole
Establishment: the existing power structure in society; the dominant groups in society and their customs or institutions; institutional authority
zari

16 Feb 2014 16:40:19
It is the system at fault, it was insanity to offer mortgages at 5 times peoples incomes! Yes these people went in eyes open but who expected things to go so bad, most normal people do not follow economic history. Even those paid to ignored or did not notice. I predicted this mess back in 2003, as it always happens. Economics is cyclical, bad follows good after a period of excess. People got greedy and it collapsed. But it was the system that caused this. Look at how the system creates demands. You must buy a new car as your neighbours have a better one, you must have a holiday to this years fashionable place, your must have expensive shoes, you are a loser if you do not buy these things. The system creates the demand and pushes easy money with things hidden in small print. People generally are naive and trust the system not thinking it will turn on them.

Kim Philby

No point in trying ed. Some people are so crippled by their insecurities that they will believe anything they need to, to justify their actions.

No longer able to face reality through sober eyes, to reflect on their selves, they'd rather maintain their illusions and will fight to prevent their dissolution.

With heads screwed on their shoulders
surrendered slaves move
their self-hate being unbearable
they share with me and you.
zari

I do, I work in the banking industry, so please don't say I no nothing about the subject or that I lie, I'm the expert compared to you. My brother was also subject to fraud and the amount was refunded in 10 working days. So I have experience of both side. The problem with you ed is that when ever you don't agree with somebodies opinion you just trash talk them. Your faceless so you feel that you can say what ever, whenever with no come back. I've seen it before many of times on here. What makes you the expert on so many things.

Red I was not boasting far from it, when the crash happened in 2008 we thought about buying our council home as my wife had a very well paid job, we decided not to thank God, to cut a long story short my wife's firm went bust and she got made redundant and we had a load of creditors at our door, my advice is for people who are struggling!

Ed, I was only talking about the uk, the us is entirely different. You talk about credit card fraud and that the banks will chase the easiest route, well you have your facts wrongs. Checks and investigations are wrong. If your card is used somewhere, say Manchester, but you can prove your location was else where, the you have an easy claim. I have seen this hundreds of times and the claim process could not be easier. Since the launch of the FCA, banking regulations have clamped down, however individuals have to take some responsibility. For frank to boast how easy it is to become bankrupt makes me sick. Why should he run up debt, buy his items then not pay for them. What would happen if we all did that. Why don't you lend me 10k and then I tell you to go jump for it because I can't afford to pay you back, even though I was aware of the repayments at the start. I fully appreciate that some people are in debt through circumstances out side of their control, but some think that it is just a game.

There have been multiple informative links posted on this site regarding the subject, by eds and other posters.
Please look into the subject and don't take anyone's opinions as personal truth. Venting personal frustrations in the wrong direction is a dividing factor, united we overcome.
Reject the conditioning of establishment propaganda and the indoctrination of authority labeled pawns.

Of the top of my head I would recommend:

Money masters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpO-WBz_mw

Silent weapons for quiet wars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_38tsQ4p0I

Money as debt series
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_IgcmsqnVM
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6uuAupT4AQ

I am sure others can provide links as well.
zari

People need to take responsibility for there own mistakes. It's to easy to say the banks should not loan the money, however people are fully aware of the implications before they accept. The I terest charged the amount you have to repair and the total cost of the borrowing is made clear before you sign up. The government is not to blame for everything. Wake up and smell the coffee. Take ownership of your own mistakes. The problem with this country is that it is all too easy to blame someone else, be it the banks the government etc. you borrowed the money you pay it back. If you can not afford it don't buy it and if you do take out a loan, pay that back. Simple

Red81, when there are no alternatives why shouldn't one default on their debt?
There are no limitations to loan interest and fees charged anymore, so when one has payed twice the borrowed initial capital, why should they keep paying?
Debt is the means through which the establishment rationalizes slavery.

What follows may sound harsh but is not intended as judgment, simply as advice.
I believe one should inform themselves before attempting to fault anyone for something that cannot have been their fault. No one should fall for the establishment's divide and conquer policies.
Blaming our brothers and sisters for the outcome of a conspiracy they had no hand in, means we will not learn from our experiences and that we will most likely have to repeat them.
zari

Its far from people like Franky that got your country into the mess its in, its the system of banking and the social system that is pushed upon us that allows people to become in a position of debt in the first place. Why in the world are people allowed to borrow money they don't have? It only serves to have people in a position where they MUST work, which means they must ay tax, in order to pay off the debt they've accumulated.

Its a very narrow minded view to blame the individual, when in a system where profit is praised, debt is a neccisity. As you can't have profit without debt. If you abolish profit, you'll also find debt abolished. If you keep a system of profit, you're keeping a system of debt.

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