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07 Jun 2016 20:59:10
Of course everyone forgets the soviet pow's who ended up in these camps as well.

07 Jun 2016 20:29:09
hsf I don't think anyone is disputing jewish people dying in labour camps but more the method and figures banded about .

07 Jun 2016 19:06:37
hall I can understand icke has a worldwide following and it would impact him less, I am not saying he even has to believe the theory but at least acknowledge some people think this happened .

07 Jun 2016 18:18:57
Denying the holocaust ever happened is wrong in my opinion. There is enough evidence to suggest that a lot of people died in these labour camps, but I don't personally believe the whole 6 million jewish people killed story. If I remember rightly, it wasn't just Jews that were put into these camps, Black people, gay people, disabled people, people who didn't agree with what was happening etc, they were all put into camps, not just the Jews.

07 Jun 2016 16:56:39
Its understandable. These guys are trying to break the programming of people. To do that you don't go straight for the big lie first ball. You start with the smaller things and slowly change the position around so one day at a certain point they wake up and see the big lie.

Its a classic technique. Jumping in both feet first on a controversial topic will lose people. Starting off on something smaller, more relevant, draws people in.

Its similar to dog whistling in politics. Or the textbook way if recruiting assets who are disillusioned with things. Softly and slowly hook the ones who might be receptive and show them a different view. Let them take the steps beyond but if you've done it right you've got them.

Remember your competing for peoples hearts and minds and look at what your up against. Small steps.

07 Jun 2016 14:47:45
correct, he mentions we never think outside the box but that is never brought up?

hall is a clever guy and reading between the lines if he never believed the professor beliefs he would have made it perfectly clear and put his own take on it, like he has done on many other subjects .

funny enough I had a great free thinking video made by some guy who was asking followers for subjects and people they could talk to, I suggested dennis wise, I got a direct message a few minutes later excited and could I get in touch with him (I follow wise on twitter) I said I could but he is very open if you want to contact him,

cut a long story short once they knew what wise talked about they bailed.

as we talk about this subject, I have just found my new podcast idea, going to take a while judging by the other two and no doubt there will be a backlash once its made,
but what will be will be.

07 Jun 2016 10:57:01
cheers edd, any thoughts on why icke and hall who are very outspoken will not touch this?

I get the anti semitic card and I know from personal experience how it is played out, I have been accused of that crap from the jewish chronicle editor to a guy from Australia who tried to goad me.

since they cannot find anything anti semitic, I am now classed as a holocaust denier, even though I maintain I am open minded and it should be debated on msm from both sides but at least have the debate.

03 Jun 2016 23:14:44
Exactly franky. Who was behind Marx? Who was behind Lenin?

Politics is the new religion. And what is religion used for?

03 Jun 2016 21:39:52
Kim if organization is a problem then the only alternative would be anarchism. Bureaucrats are intermediaries who neither produce nor design and were necessary only due to our inability to automate the processes they were charged with overseeing. Through the use of technology we can eradicate their need but the ensuing simplification would benefit the prey and not the predators we were bred to sustain.

Capitalism depends on them to act as a buffer between the classes it creates so as to perpetuate their existence. Career politicians, lawyers, bankers, accountants, tax collectors, police officers et al, are all bureaucrats benefiting through parasitic behavior.

Money is the quantification of resources and resources are the charge that enables flow towards one's chosen direction. In other words they are a way to travel along the path, not the path itself.
Freud's absolutism caused his modern downfall, as people are not as sexually suppressed as they were.

Human nature is an artificial label used to describe behaviors we have witnessed but do not condone. None of us live in nature but rather in artificial environments of our creation. Additionally, nature is comprised by an infinite number of organisms with varying behaviors and societal organizational levels.

The transference of theory to practice depends on more than the quality of the theory. 2+2=4 but have you ever tried counting money among thieves?

03 Jun 2016 19:54:48
I hate the labels we get judged by, like I am classed as a socialist , obviously socialism means different things to different people.

I guess its a divide and conquer tactic like left and right wing which I do get caught up in .

03 Jun 2016 12:12:04
Socialism though is inherently flawed. The main reason being ad you say it relies on organisation. In order to run things the system ends up creating a bureaucratic management system which creates two issues. Firstly the bureaucrats realise that they control the system and knowledge and power corrupts. Its creates a system where the bureaucrats separate from the masses and creates resource monopolization. Secondly bureaucrats in order to justify their own existence interfere in all layers of the system which eventually causes the system to break down.

Marx was a fool as he thought everything in life could be boiled down to money and resources. He knew nothing of human nature. Its like how Freud was obsessed with sex and only pursued one approach. Its a flawed model. Subsequent tinkering hasn't improved the model only worsened it. Which is why I asked which flavour. Marxism. Leninism. Stalinism. Trotskyism. Maoism. Blairism.

Great idea in theory but totally fails in practical application.

02 Jun 2016 22:01:28
I can't answer for others but socialism for me is an economic system designed to benefit the whole of society. In such a system the beneficiary of the utilization of resources would be society itself, with increased resource availability for the utilization of those deemed by society as having benefited it the most. In doing so we would reward and thus promote characteristics which would enable the prospering of society.

A great advantage of such an economic system is that as societies have no time limitations long-term planning would be required. As long-term planning relies on organization, obfuscation would be less applicable thereby enabling most people to contribute to and participate in the commons.

A lot of the details would be decided by the political system or establishment said economic system would complement.

As the meaning of words changes with time to identify the different systems of organization and imposed forms of tyranny I categorize them according to convergence. All it means is that a comparison is made between initial subject resource availability and final availability.
The importance of convergence is best highlighted in vectors whereby the numerical value takes a secondary role to direction in the determination of the effect of their interactions.

As an example capitalism reduces the availability of resources to those with resources, by design promoting the monopolization of resources. By constricting the availability of resources it acts as a cone (think jet engine) thereby increasing friction, pressure etc.

02 Jun 2016 09:41:03
Ah real socialism. Which flavours that one?

02 Jun 2016 09:38:43
franky there can be no people's party. We should neither hope nor wait for others to show us the light. Individuals are transient and once these leaders leave these plains we often return to our previous condition. If we instead accept the responsibility of leading ourselves we organically form a democracy.

Hellenes, just like all other human beings, have the spirit fighting through them. As more and more people find the courage to stand up and act while having recognized and accepted the risks from doing so, the closer we will be to true change.

In regards to the politicians mentioned, Tsipras spoke openly about his program at a lodge in Texas before being elected and Varoufakis has always admitted he is pro-EU and pro-establishment. If I recall correctly I shared the part about Tsipras before his election and before the referendum whose results he ignored. Admittedly, until a few years before that I used to also suffer from the disney princess syndrome or spiritus domesticus.

02 Jun 2016 09:01:31
Ilk vote out, not because of Johnstone or Ukip etc but in the quest for real socialism.

02 Jun 2016 03:07:17
Out .

02 Jun 2016 03:08:04
Out!

02 Jun 2016 03:11:16
As well as all cousins
my two brothers
My parents and partner
And her family and her brother and sister
Every one I have spoken to wants out people in shopping centres to taxi drivers to the people I work with.

01 Jun 2016 22:10:11
Point taken ed033, how would they go about it, just release wrong results or do they need to change polling cards?

01 Jun 2016 20:14:53
I'm out (surprise surprise) but don't think it'll be rigged don't think it needs to be, they've put the leg work in before hand.

Either way the months following will be very interested as this will split politics as we know it.