I am for the death penalty if it is certain they get the right murderer if they are unsure about the death penalty then no segregation and make it compulsory that every inmate knows what the other person is in for and let them roll the dice.
Sure, if Capital Punishment went to a public vote then we'd vote for it, but that won't ever happen.
Prisons are being privatised. This means investors and shareholders whom need to see growth and an annual return/dividend. Initially this means running the prisons more efficiently, which means less staff (and more trouble), but after you've done that you only get growth from prisoner numbers. Growth will require more people being imprisoned. This is western capitalism, this is how it works.
Additionally, these private companies are building new prisons using Public and Private funds as a building loan (called something like PPVI). The private part of the equation is off-shore funds in tax havens who are repaid the funds used for building the prisons by you and I, the tax payer. The rates, as you'd imagine, are very attractive. especially so when we're repaying a tax haven because they are exempt from paying any tax on their gains.
You've got to be careful when it comes to the death penalty. Although forensic science is pretty solid, there are still times when it can be wrong. For example, there will always be corrupt cops about and evidence could be planted to frame somebody for a crime. The only group I would serve this type of sentence on is paedophiles and rapists but you would have to be 200% sure that the accused was guilty. And I agree totally that prison should be a grim experience, basic conditions with no luxury. As far as I'm concerned, if you commit major crimes then you have stripped yourself of any rights until you pay your debt to society {Ed002's Note - It is not possible to be "200% sure". The word you are looking for is "certain".}
14 Jun 2013 23:07:06 Murdering people, abusing kids, forcing yourself on people, surely by committing such acts of violence you forfeit the protection of the rest of society. At the very least prison should be tough, no playstations, no gym. Basic food, inmates made to do education and proper reform. Proper help on substance abuse. Stop being soft with career criminals and trying to understand them.
Jay that would be fine if they do "rot" but unfortunately he'll probably be on the playstation, playing pool or say working out in the gym. Hardly rotting.
Although I see where you are coming from supasub, I don't think the death penalty should be brought back, as much as the people you say should face it don't deserve to live, I don't think it's ever a good idea to end a life. These monsters should just be left to rot in jail, and even though it costs the ordinary citizen x amount of money, our hands will be clean of murder!
The only time I think the ending of a life would be suitable would be euthanasia (pretty sure that's spelled wrong) obviously, with the person seeking it being of sound mind and making the decision on their own!
Peace
Jay Glasgow
Ps! I understand my opinion may not go down to well, but that's the beauty of this page, to share and debate opinion!
Yes and now we all have to pay to keep him there for the rest of his life. I do think for extreme circumstances, multiple murderers, child killers etc they should just be given a lethal injection or something, when the evidence is crystal clear and cannot be questioned.
I've heard a saying simalar to this and maybe its partly were it has came from! basicly it says if you want to know how you actualy look take a picture of yourself as when your look in the mirror your only seeing a reflection of what you think you look like! the mind plays funny tricks, when I look in the mirror I see a hansone 18 y/o strapping mountain of a man looking back! i'm nowere near 18 anymore and have never even been close to being handsome, and hey some would even question if I was a man lol. I said the state of mind plays a lot over how you think you look compared to how you actually look!
It is an interesting subject & I don't think Frankys trying to say u would look completely different Twins are more than likely going to be similar but if someone who looked exactly like me walked past I probs wouldn't think anything of it if I even noticed. I think there's truth in that the minds a great thing I've seen myself think I look well then other days say I am one ugly bass it's probs all down to self esteem & self confidence probably before anyone wants to call me ugly my mum says I'm handsome Haha LOL
Weird thing is, I listened to Jones on coast to coast last night, he was calm and to the point, quite articulate, a little egotistically but didn’t lose his head. Gives me the impression that they guys just doesn’t know how to debate. He does himself no favors’ losing the rag as he does, it was the same on pearce morgans show.
frankyscouser · 15 Jun 2013 21:45
