17 Sep 2015 17:27:24
As I said I don't subscribe to it myself.
Franky he is left wing. There's not much to the left of him. Be interesting to see how it goes.
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17 Sep 2015 16:28:39
The theory, and I don't subscribe to it myself, is that corbyn is there as a far left leader to panic the rest of the party into accepting a leader seen as less far left wing than corbyn but still more left wing than the party would have originally wanted. And also someone that is totally in the pocket of the unions. Which corbyn isn't.
On a side note if you have the time i'd suggest you look up Ron Hayward. Interesting figure in the labour party. And from there Alec kitson.
Read discussionThe theory, and I don't subscribe to it myself, is that corbyn is there as a far left leader to panic the rest of the party into accepting a leader seen as less far left wing than corbyn but still more left wing than the party would have originally wanted. And also someone that is totally in the pocket of the unions. Which corbyn isn't.
On a side note if you have the time i'd suggest you look up Ron Hayward. Interesting figure in the labour party. And from there Alec kitson.
17 Sep 2015 16:20:10
Just something I saw someone mention online so doing a bit of reading. Thought I'd ask if you had heard of it.
Read discussionJust something I saw someone mention online so doing a bit of reading. Thought I'd ask if you had heard of it.
17 Sep 2015 15:31:46
Ed33 have you ever heard of the kalergi plan?
17 Sep 2015 13:36:24
I have seen a theory in recent days that he's a stalking horse for someone else.
Read discussionI have seen a theory in recent days that he's a stalking horse for someone else.
17 Sep 2015 12:26:24
Very interesting. And I'm sure your aware two of the biggest clients/ partners of the pharmaceutical companies is the us military and cia. Plenty of joint research programmes over the years.
Read discussionVery interesting. And I'm sure your aware two of the biggest clients/ partners of the pharmaceutical companies is the us military and cia. Plenty of joint research programmes over the years.
17 Sep 2015 12:28:57
Yes politics became the new religion. And people are becoming tired of the red/ blue paradigm they have added more colours to the mix. Nationalist issues like the snp. Environment issues. Ukip.
Read discussionYes politics became the new religion. And people are becoming tired of the red/ blue paradigm they have added more colours to the mix. Nationalist issues like the snp. Environment issues. Ukip.
17 Sep 2015 10:14:59
Yes that's something david rohl did point out too, the parallel dynasties. He redated some of them moving them later and found it fits biblical record.
I agree a lot is parable but some has truth. I found the multiple tower of babel stories interesting.
Read discussionYes that's something david rohl did point out too, the parallel dynasties. He redated some of them moving them later and found it fits biblical record.
I agree a lot is parable but some has truth. I found the multiple tower of babel stories interesting.
17 Sep 2015 09:55:54
Just going back to the original point. There's too many coincidences and parallels between various ancient teachings. Like the flood story is widespread across all continents.
Someone I've been looking into is a guy called rohl who treats the bible not as myth but as another historical record and he's tried to match the bible record with the archaeological record and the known records of contemporary societies such as Egypt, Assyria etc. Very interesting and obviously caused some controversy.
Another thing that stood out is that each culture, even in places as diverse as central America and sub-Saharan Africa have their own version of the tower of Babel story.
And as we all know there is no such thing as coincidence.
Read discussionJust going back to the original point. There's too many coincidences and parallels between various ancient teachings. Like the flood story is widespread across all continents.
Someone I've been looking into is a guy called rohl who treats the bible not as myth but as another historical record and he's tried to match the bible record with the archaeological record and the known records of contemporary societies such as Egypt, Assyria etc. Very interesting and obviously caused some controversy.
Another thing that stood out is that each culture, even in places as diverse as central America and sub-Saharan Africa have their own version of the tower of Babel story.
And as we all know there is no such thing as coincidence.
17 Sep 2015 00:31:20
Yes and yes. The more I read the more I think so.
Read discussionYes and yes. The more I read the more I think so.
16 Sep 2015 09:46:03
And his appointment of shadow secretary for defra is a woman who once raised in parliament a debate on the effects of cows on global warming.
Wasn't there a film that said the rising temperature would melt the ice caps and the resulting cold water hitting the ocean would alter the gulf stream causing an ice age?
Read discussionAnd his appointment of shadow secretary for defra is a woman who once raised in parliament a debate on the effects of cows on global warming.
Wasn't there a film that said the rising temperature would melt the ice caps and the resulting cold water hitting the ocean would alter the gulf stream causing an ice age?
16 Sep 2015 09:51:11
I raised heroin because a friend of mine had a child who unfortunately fell in with the wrong people. Do I've seen some of the damage it can cause.
As I said I've no problem legalising something as then the product can be controlled, made safer, and proper support put in place. The money raised can be put to good use. Imagine the tax boost an all of it going to the health service.
However anyone persisting in illegal activity, especially the major players I would be harsh on.
Read discussionI raised heroin because a friend of mine had a child who unfortunately fell in with the wrong people. Do I've seen some of the damage it can cause.
As I said I've no problem legalising something as then the product can be controlled, made safer, and proper support put in place. The money raised can be put to good use. Imagine the tax boost an all of it going to the health service.
However anyone persisting in illegal activity, especially the major players I would be harsh on.
15 Sep 2015 17:20:05
I agree and disagree. If people want to experiment with reality or perception altering substances then I have no issues. As long as proper support is provided to help anyone that develops issues especially addiction.
Also the benefits of ending the illegal drug trade could be beneficial especially in areas where the crops are grown by ensuring fair trade and prices for the farmers to assist with the end of poverty and society improvements. Instead of money going into criminals accounts it could be used better. Of course until the banks become involved.
Where I do disagree is with regards to certain drugs of the stronger kind such as heroin etc being legalised. But I admit its not a subject I know much on so if anyone has more expertise then feel free.
Read discussionI agree and disagree. If people want to experiment with reality or perception altering substances then I have no issues. As long as proper support is provided to help anyone that develops issues especially addiction.
Also the benefits of ending the illegal drug trade could be beneficial especially in areas where the crops are grown by ensuring fair trade and prices for the farmers to assist with the end of poverty and society improvements. Instead of money going into criminals accounts it could be used better. Of course until the banks become involved.
Where I do disagree is with regards to certain drugs of the stronger kind such as heroin etc being legalised. But I admit its not a subject I know much on so if anyone has more expertise then feel free.
15 Sep 2015 13:13:15
Yes, usually members of the special reconnaissance regiment undercover. Or locals they have some dirt on or bribed.
Read discussionYes, usually members of the special reconnaissance regiment undercover. Or locals they have some dirt on or bribed.
15 Sep 2015 08:26:18
It wouldn't have been mi5. They are only an internal intelligence gathering and analysis group. Its nothing like spooks.
Now if it had happened abroad you could claim it was mi6 who being an agency with responsibility for foreign operations have a bit more scope for dirty work.
However 6 like 5 if they need someone removing don't tend to do it themselves. Its a matter of accountability. After all they're organisations that are publically acknowledged and have parliamentary oversight committees that would ask too many inconvenient questions.
Therefore its either outsourced to the private sector and the expense disguised on the accounts. Or one of the other mi departments that aren't publically acknowledged are called in. Although they tend to do more abroad than domestically. Usually a small team ex SAS/ SBS types or more likely the Special Reconnaissance boys.
Read discussionIt wouldn't have been mi5. They are only an internal intelligence gathering and analysis group. Its nothing like spooks.
Now if it had happened abroad you could claim it was mi6 who being an agency with responsibility for foreign operations have a bit more scope for dirty work.
However 6 like 5 if they need someone removing don't tend to do it themselves. Its a matter of accountability. After all they're organisations that are publically acknowledged and have parliamentary oversight committees that would ask too many inconvenient questions.
Therefore its either outsourced to the private sector and the expense disguised on the accounts. Or one of the other mi departments that aren't publically acknowledged are called in. Although they tend to do more abroad than domestically. Usually a small team ex SAS/ SBS types or more likely the Special Reconnaissance boys.
14 Sep 2015 23:15:41
Good. Now can we get back to the aliens?
Read discussionGood. Now can we get back to the aliens?
14 Sep 2015 18:22:04
If he turned around and said if I win a general election and after renationalisation of the railways and the utilities I will nationalise the banks, reduce unfair charges on people and curtail excessive bonuses then that would be noteworthy.
Id also like to see a coordinated strategy on the war in Syria and the rest. Islamic extremists threaten us all, Russia, Europe and America. Why do you think putins suddenly interested. Its been pointed out to him some of these people pouring into the Syria are Russian chechens. And when they leave Syria? Or if they win in Syria? Hence now pouring in aid to Assad. Which I disagree with. Propping up a dictator to defeat fanatics.
And I accept your apology.
Read discussionIf he turned around and said if I win a general election and after renationalisation of the railways and the utilities I will nationalise the banks, reduce unfair charges on people and curtail excessive bonuses then that would be noteworthy.
Id also like to see a coordinated strategy on the war in Syria and the rest. Islamic extremists threaten us all, Russia, Europe and America. Why do you think putins suddenly interested. Its been pointed out to him some of these people pouring into the Syria are Russian chechens. And when they leave Syria? Or if they win in Syria? Hence now pouring in aid to Assad. Which I disagree with. Propping up a dictator to defeat fanatics.
And I accept your apology.
14 Sep 2015 16:07:38
Exactly. Education. Proper fair trade. Properly instituted political systems and not tyrannical dictators or corrupt monarchies. Less religion and more teaching people to respect others.
Hamas. Who's stated aim of a Palestinian homeland is to be achieved by genocide. And if I recall correctly that election was called into question by the united nations.
You mention Greece. What's happened in Greece is 40 years of socialism failed. The country is bankrupt. Kept afloat by tourism and bailouts. And they expect the bailouts to be free. When told no you need to pay it back and get your house in order they threw the toys out the pram.
Its simple economics. You can't spend more than you earn. This is why all these socialist European countries are struggling. This is why the soviet union collapsed.
I don't really see how spending even more money is answer to already massive debts. Increasing the debt is plain stupidity.
Sure ramp up taxes on people who can afford to pay it and cut spending where it needs to be cut. But throwing extra billions on top of trillions of debt makes no sense.
Read discussionExactly. Education. Proper fair trade. Properly instituted political systems and not tyrannical dictators or corrupt monarchies. Less religion and more teaching people to respect others.
Hamas. Who's stated aim of a Palestinian homeland is to be achieved by genocide. And if I recall correctly that election was called into question by the united nations.
You mention Greece. What's happened in Greece is 40 years of socialism failed. The country is bankrupt. Kept afloat by tourism and bailouts. And they expect the bailouts to be free. When told no you need to pay it back and get your house in order they threw the toys out the pram.
Its simple economics. You can't spend more than you earn. This is why all these socialist European countries are struggling. This is why the soviet union collapsed.
I don't really see how spending even more money is answer to already massive debts. Increasing the debt is plain stupidity.
Sure ramp up taxes on people who can afford to pay it and cut spending where it needs to be cut. But throwing extra billions on top of trillions of debt makes no sense.
14 Sep 2015 13:15:11
But what's he waking up?
His entire program is the same as Michael foots. It didn't work in 1983. It won't work now. Thatcher destroyed the working class. Labour was only able to win an election under Blair by abandoning long standing socialist policies such as clause 4. As soon as labour started moving to the extreme left again it started losing elections again.
The labour party of the 1980s was controlled by the unions and the unions were controlled by Moscow.
I'm not really breaking any secrets here as its all in the public domain. But the two most influential unionists in the labour party were kgb controlled. And these two put plenty of their favourites into safe labour seats. People who could and in fact later did take control of tbd parliamentary labour party.
Corbyn was never an asset of the kgb as he was regarded, somewhat ironically, as someone who wouldn't process far enough in the party because of his extremist views. However he was regarded as someone who would be approachable for support if needed.
Read discussionBut what's he waking up?
His entire program is the same as Michael foots. It didn't work in 1983. It won't work now. Thatcher destroyed the working class. Labour was only able to win an election under Blair by abandoning long standing socialist policies such as clause 4. As soon as labour started moving to the extreme left again it started losing elections again.
The labour party of the 1980s was controlled by the unions and the unions were controlled by Moscow.
I'm not really breaking any secrets here as its all in the public domain. But the two most influential unionists in the labour party were kgb controlled. And these two put plenty of their favourites into safe labour seats. People who could and in fact later did take control of tbd parliamentary labour party.
Corbyn was never an asset of the kgb as he was regarded, somewhat ironically, as someone who wouldn't process far enough in the party because of his extremist views. However he was regarded as someone who would be approachable for support if needed.
14 Sep 2015 13:17:45
And if you want to corroborate that either track down my old boss at the London embassy Colonel Oleg Gordievsky or fly to Moscow, go a few miles outside and look up Anatoly Chernyaev, former head of the successor organisation to the Comintern and moscows leg man between the Kremlin and the labour party.
Read discussionAnd if you want to corroborate that either track down my old boss at the London embassy Colonel Oleg Gordievsky or fly to Moscow, go a few miles outside and look up Anatoly Chernyaev, former head of the successor organisation to the Comintern and moscows leg man between the Kremlin and the labour party.