14 Sep 2015 12:20:09
And where did I say I didn't want peace? As I said earlier you can talk peace with groups like Sinn Fein or the plo because they have realistic political aims.
But your talking about peace talks with Isis. What are the political aims there? They want to impose a backwards totalitarian regime on people. So there's no starting point for talks. Islamic fundamentalism is totally incompatible with a modern liberal democracy. But many in the labour party are happy to associate with these people as it buys votes. That's hypocrisy.
How does anyone, not just corbyn, but anyone in the labour party associating with oppressive fundamentalists progress the cause of socialism. As I asked yesterday how do you think feminists and gay rights campaigners feel?
All you seem focused on us having an outsider like corbyn to cone in and stick two fingers up to the establishment.
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14 Sep 2015 09:52:50
Thank you editor 001 you understood what I was trying to say.
Franky I have never watched fox news. I stand up for women's rights and gay rights and I'm dismissed as a right winger? I've consistently said all regimes in the middle east have shocking records on human rights but I'm a right winger?
I admire you for your passionate defence of your principles. At least you have some unlike so many.
But I would not pin your hopes on corbyn. I fear you will end up very disappointed.
Read discussionThank you editor 001 you understood what I was trying to say.
Franky I have never watched fox news. I stand up for women's rights and gay rights and I'm dismissed as a right winger? I've consistently said all regimes in the middle east have shocking records on human rights but I'm a right winger?
I admire you for your passionate defence of your principles. At least you have some unlike so many.
But I would not pin your hopes on corbyn. I fear you will end up very disappointed.
13 Sep 2015 21:18:49
Corbyn is a Trotskyist. You should look into the history of your own party.
You dodged the point I made about asking are you happy to support a man who supports people with extreme homophobic and misogynist views.
No I am not right wing. Firmly on the centre left thank you.
Besides, Corbyn probably won't make it to the general election.
Read discussionCorbyn is a Trotskyist. You should look into the history of your own party.
You dodged the point I made about asking are you happy to support a man who supports people with extreme homophobic and misogynist views.
No I am not right wing. Firmly on the centre left thank you.
Besides, Corbyn probably won't make it to the general election.
13 Sep 2015 17:03:50
Nice that you dodged every other point I made.
Read discussionNice that you dodged every other point I made.
13 Sep 2015 17:09:49
Corbyns stance on terror is he doesn't have one.
No one is saying the Americans or the British or the Israelis are perfect.
The labour party has been taken over by a neo Trotskyist group. And the extreme left is not a good thing. Especially when allying itself to a bunch of religious fascists.
Read discussionCorbyns stance on terror is he doesn't have one.
No one is saying the Americans or the British or the Israelis are perfect.
The labour party has been taken over by a neo Trotskyist group. And the extreme left is not a good thing. Especially when allying itself to a bunch of religious fascists.
13 Sep 2015 15:45:13
I think I saw this on tv the other day. Very interesting.
Read discussionI think I saw this on tv the other day. Very interesting.
13 Sep 2015 14:48:44
Do you also think Islamic state want a dialogue?
They've slaughtered thousands amongst the yazidis, Kurds, Syrians and Iraqis.
They've dragged women off and sold them at auction as sex slaves to be raped by their owners.
They've executed normal soldiers of the Iraqi and Syrian armies. These men are mostly conscripts who don't want to be there or are just trying to do their duty. In many cases just protecting their homes and families. Instead they get butchered. If this had been the Americans you'd soon be bleating about war crimes.
They've destroyed historical sites like palmyra or Nineveh that have stood for centuries.
You really think such a barbaric mentality can be reasoned with?
The ira or the plo had legitimate political causes. Dialogue could be opened. What's Islamic states political cause?
For a so called socialist party too many in labour suck up to Islamic fundamentalists. Despite their barbaric attitudes towards women and gay people. The total antithesis of the socialist principles of equality to all regardless of class, gender, colour and orientation.
Read discussionDo you also think Islamic state want a dialogue?
They've slaughtered thousands amongst the yazidis, Kurds, Syrians and Iraqis.
They've dragged women off and sold them at auction as sex slaves to be raped by their owners.
They've executed normal soldiers of the Iraqi and Syrian armies. These men are mostly conscripts who don't want to be there or are just trying to do their duty. In many cases just protecting their homes and families. Instead they get butchered. If this had been the Americans you'd soon be bleating about war crimes.
They've destroyed historical sites like palmyra or Nineveh that have stood for centuries.
You really think such a barbaric mentality can be reasoned with?
The ira or the plo had legitimate political causes. Dialogue could be opened. What's Islamic states political cause?
For a so called socialist party too many in labour suck up to Islamic fundamentalists. Despite their barbaric attitudes towards women and gay people. The total antithesis of the socialist principles of equality to all regardless of class, gender, colour and orientation.
13 Sep 2015 14:37:31
Depends how far you trust the ira.
Just because Iran have only attacked one neighbouring country (and lost) doesn't mean the intention isn't there. Why do you think they've thrown everything into gaining the bomb over the last 25 years. And again you've not read what I've said. Its not just Israel that fears a nuclear Iran. But the rest of the region that follows a different religious sect. The whole mess in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq is a sectional war that makes Belfast look like amateur hour. And Saudi Arabia funds one side and Iran the other. The west got dragged into this by the Saudis and now Russia are starting to as well.
Regards the Saudis I have little time for them either. A bunch of arrogant misogynistic homophobes as bad as Iran or Hamas.
Read discussionDepends how far you trust the ira.
Just because Iran have only attacked one neighbouring country (and lost) doesn't mean the intention isn't there. Why do you think they've thrown everything into gaining the bomb over the last 25 years. And again you've not read what I've said. Its not just Israel that fears a nuclear Iran. But the rest of the region that follows a different religious sect. The whole mess in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq is a sectional war that makes Belfast look like amateur hour. And Saudi Arabia funds one side and Iran the other. The west got dragged into this by the Saudis and now Russia are starting to as well.
Regards the Saudis I have little time for them either. A bunch of arrogant misogynistic homophobes as bad as Iran or Hamas.
13 Sep 2015 14:39:19
Let me put this another way. If Cameron had lost the election and stood down and the tory party elected a fringe mp on the far right of the party with extreme views on immigration, the health service ect. Leading to the moderates in the shadow cabinet resigning etc. What would your reaction be?
Read discussionLet me put this another way. If Cameron had lost the election and stood down and the tory party elected a fringe mp on the far right of the party with extreme views on immigration, the health service ect. Leading to the moderates in the shadow cabinet resigning etc. What would your reaction be?
13 Sep 2015 12:32:25
How about all the times he's shared platforms with sympathisers? Even this week he's said that we should understand is.
What is there to understand about a group of psychopaths using a religion as an excuse to rape, torture and murder. Are you proud of supporting a man who wants to understand such a mentality?
Is don't want peace they just want to slaughter anyone who doesn't fit they're version of Islam.
Hamas don't want peace. They want to commit genocide. It's in they're manifesto. Proudly displayed on the website.
Iran doesn't want peace either. They want the bomb to intimdate Riyadh and Tel Aviv.
Corbyn once refused to share a platform with nick griffin but refused saying he doesn't associate with rascists. Round of applause. But then he shares platforms with Islamic fundamentalists who are not just racist but misogynists' and homophobes as well. How do you think that sits with women's rights and gay rights groups? I've seen plenty calling him out on it on social media.
Read discussionHow about all the times he's shared platforms with sympathisers? Even this week he's said that we should understand is.
What is there to understand about a group of psychopaths using a religion as an excuse to rape, torture and murder. Are you proud of supporting a man who wants to understand such a mentality?
Is don't want peace they just want to slaughter anyone who doesn't fit they're version of Islam.
Hamas don't want peace. They want to commit genocide. It's in they're manifesto. Proudly displayed on the website.
Iran doesn't want peace either. They want the bomb to intimdate Riyadh and Tel Aviv.
Corbyn once refused to share a platform with nick griffin but refused saying he doesn't associate with rascists. Round of applause. But then he shares platforms with Islamic fundamentalists who are not just racist but misogynists' and homophobes as well. How do you think that sits with women's rights and gay rights groups? I've seen plenty calling him out on it on social media.
13 Sep 2015 10:07:57
The liberal party was wiped out and most of their seats were list to tories so yeah suggests liberal voters went tory.
As leader of the opposition he will receive briefings by the intelligence services. He also cosies up to a lot of terrorist groups. The intelligence services have already publicly and privately admitted concern over these associations and uts a legitimate concern.
I also agree with the points made by the other poster. He's capturing the minds of the young because socialist theory is a wonderful idea. In reality it is a failure and has failed everywhere it has been tried. They are too young to have lived through the failure.
I've made this point before. The majority of British people are on the centre right. Not the extreme right although there is a minority which will never win. But centre right. Sometimes the centre left like Blair or Wilson will win. But the extreme left will never win a British general election.
Read discussionThe liberal party was wiped out and most of their seats were list to tories so yeah suggests liberal voters went tory.
As leader of the opposition he will receive briefings by the intelligence services. He also cosies up to a lot of terrorist groups. The intelligence services have already publicly and privately admitted concern over these associations and uts a legitimate concern.
I also agree with the points made by the other poster. He's capturing the minds of the young because socialist theory is a wonderful idea. In reality it is a failure and has failed everywhere it has been tried. They are too young to have lived through the failure.
I've made this point before. The majority of British people are on the centre right. Not the extreme right although there is a minority which will never win. But centre right. Sometimes the centre left like Blair or Wilson will win. But the extreme left will never win a British general election.
12 Sep 2015 20:29:24
Franky most of the lib voters last time out went tory. Also I think ukip aren't finished yet.
Are the media scared of him? All I've seen on social media today is tories rubbing there hands with glee that labours elected michael foot mark 2.
Read discussionFranky most of the lib voters last time out went tory. Also I think ukip aren't finished yet.
Are the media scared of him? All I've seen on social media today is tories rubbing there hands with glee that labours elected michael foot mark 2.
12 Sep 2015 15:10:23
Exactly franky the worlds changed from 30 years ago. The labour of the 80s was based on a class war which the majority no longer care about.
And your missing the point. It shows the parliamentary labour is split. If the part of the party that represents the people don't support the leader then it makes winning over undecided voters harder. Also the ones resigning are all the ones who were tipped as the rising stars of the party. Who's going to replace them?
Read discussionExactly franky the worlds changed from 30 years ago. The labour of the 80s was based on a class war which the majority no longer care about.
And your missing the point. It shows the parliamentary labour is split. If the part of the party that represents the people don't support the leader then it makes winning over undecided voters harder. Also the ones resigning are all the ones who were tipped as the rising stars of the party. Who's going to replace them?
12 Sep 2015 13:56:24
Socialism doesn't work. It couldn't win a general election 30 years ago. It won't win one now.
Read discussionSocialism doesn't work. It couldn't win a general election 30 years ago. It won't win one now.
12 Sep 2015 13:05:08
He won't win a general election. He'll boost the safe majorities. He'll take votes off the greens and Scots but he won't win the marginals and he won't win middle England.
Read discussionHe won't win a general election. He'll boost the safe majorities. He'll take votes off the greens and Scots but he won't win the marginals and he won't win middle England.
12 Sep 2015 13:11:25
Says it all when the shadow cabinets all resigning and say they won't work under him.
Read discussionSays it all when the shadow cabinets all resigning and say they won't work under him.
11 Sep 2015 23:27:07
i found this interesting on the Pleiades.
http://goo.gl/au5RJ1
And this on the first global nuclear war in ancient times. interesting theory
http://goo.gl/9OmpOl
Read discussioni found this interesting on the Pleiades.
http://goo.gl/au5RJ1
And this on the first global nuclear war in ancient times. interesting theory
http://goo.gl/9OmpOl
11 Sep 2015 18:15:55
There's a lot of cowardice in war. First world war with gas, second world war bombing cities, Americans in Vietnam, the use of suicide bombers including brainwashed or forced children, its a sick world.
Read discussionThere's a lot of cowardice in war. First world war with gas, second world war bombing cities, Americans in Vietnam, the use of suicide bombers including brainwashed or forced children, its a sick world.
09 Sep 2015 21:11:57
She is.
Read discussionShe is.
09 Sep 2015 17:23:30
But which colleagues ;)
Read discussionBut which colleagues ;)