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Discussion #244Talk Sense

30 Sep 2011 23:27:19
i think you'll find by cromwell's time the catholic church in england hardly existed. {Ed001's Note - I don't know where you got that from, but you are wrong, it was just not the done thing and frowned upon, even persecuted, but it certainly existed very strongly.}

 

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Discussion #243Talk Sense

30 Sep 2011 22:37:32
What a load of protestant b s, the vatican a not in league with zionist Rothschilds. All bankers are interlinked. You want to dig deeper into who funded william prince of orange and his protestant campaign and successful invasion of Britain, yes Rochschilds. Think you should look at how the church of England is one of the largest land owners in Britain (lot of their property was stolen from the catholic church) during Oliver Cromwells murderous campaigns.

 

Mr unnamed poster look a little bit into history , dont deny it , for instance did you know the pope backed the dutch william of orange , and as for cromwells campaigns you should know the killing of protestants by papal forces , also many campaigns against england by the french etc were using ireland as a base of attack , heres my breakdown of things at the moment-
right -wing american protestant peachers support isreal , when in fact most of the so called state of isreal are not bibical jews but are mostly from russia, have a look at -jews against zionisits also lots of the palestine people are not from there , but there countries of orgin dont and wont take them back , they like to keep them where they are.
saudi arabia is the most exteme islam country in the world . they are no-1 in speading extreme islam all over the world and supporting it, oh and they just happen to be americas best freind. the question about the jesuits and the vatican is they are the smartest of the lot, everyone says follow the money trail it tells all , well it tells a lot but remember this , a mans faith can lead him to go to war spy lie , think hes doing things for the better cause , just look into the history of this system they controled kings , queens , countrys , starting wars etc, and mr unnamed poster do you know who was the last church to vote against being taken over by rome in the 5th centry- yes the irish church , who wanted nothing to do with them , while there is many things that were done wrong in the name of protestant nations , understand the reformation came about because the priests of rome banned the bible, yes the bible for over 300 years to be read by preists only , the conning of money from poor working class people all over europe , and the killing of any faith different to their own , you want to get in the picture mr unnamed poster of not sticking up for one side, i call it like it is and has been in history...........lfc
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Take it being called unnamed poster is either an insult lol or a form of insult.
I do take freedom very seriously, I countered the anti-catholic bias in the post I was replying to.
I understand that zionist powerbrokers have used banking to divide and conquer.
I will not have secterian comments to go unquestioned.
Yes the vatican have been used as have the church of England by zionists, but don`t turn it in to an anti catholic attack.
My name is Steven, in case you get paranoid over who is posting
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Thanks for that steve, thats the big issue , how do you explain history and tell the truth without upseting people , its not anti- catholic , anti jewish , anti protestant , i am for everything but one- anti- truth.........lfc
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No probs Lfc, have you heard of British Israelism?
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Looked at it, and the set up is this- america and britain are part of the lost ten tribes of isreal , ephraim and manasseh , as this line had the birthright promises of national greatness, where as the jews were given the scepter promise of a line of kings culminating in the messiah ,my own belief is most of these lost tribes did end up in europe but also other parts of the world , indeed that is what most of the scafaic jews belive . also interesting that some afircan americans belive they are the lost tribes , or of the lost tribes of isreal . one thing i do understand is about 5/8 s of the bible is about the lost tribes compaired to what most people think is the jewish state of isreal , while i find it all interesting i keep a open mind as it takes lots of study and as with other subjects you find yourself going back into it and maybe finding new imformation on it steven........lfc
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Discussion #242Talk Sense

30 Sep 2011 19:34:09
For an interesting take on the JFK conspiracy, search for Orlando Bosch, often talked about by Noam Chomsky. Chomsky is pretty sure the `umbrella man` in the zapruder film is Bosch. In the video he seems to point his umbrella at JFK moments before he is shot.

Paterson

 

I didn't know this, i watch a lot of chomsky
stuff (not a man i'd like to argue with ) any
specific sites/youtube documentaries you
could recommend would be apreciated.
cheers
JR
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I think `manufacturing consent` is the documentary he talked about Bosch.
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Discussion #241Talk Sense

30 Sep 2011 15:49:18
lincoln certainly bears further investigation as well. I'd heard all the strange coincidences. But not the idea why lincoln was killed. Seriously does make me wonder. Mort

 

Have va look into the jesuit-vatican-rothschild connection to all of it , one of the helpers of booth got away , and the vatican helped him set up home in a european country, interesting it took until the regean years before any offical ties were opned between the two , heres a quote of the internet, lincoln- yes but the real key is......who underwrote the greenbacks and the northern war effort, the clue lies in whose fortune rested in rothschilds banks in england and france and which of the banks kept the largest porition of the tsars gold , so a bit like jfks death , it leads to power, banks , interests of vatican etc , you really have to look into lots of stuff about the vatican , its a small country on its own the size of a small town but the power and wealth and infulunce is the most far reaching in the world belive it or not.........lfc
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An interesting read for you all pertaining to the search for jesus,s bloodline amongst other things he tries to explain the vaticans efforts to keep europe ignorant by way of the fact the chinese had printed literature for 700 years b4 the first books arrived in europe! keeping the people in the dark and having specialist figures whose job it was to alter the holy scriptures and records of a religeous nature to keep their faith intact and the peasants ignorant of the world wide progress of christianity as they saw it as a threat to catholicism etc..read it Laurence gardner...The Grail Enigma..factual account a good read.
grizzli bear.
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I like that lol, very cool. Any more?

LFC you certainly have a thing for the vatican lol, yet the more i look the more shady they appear. did you check out any of the videos i posted earlier in the week?

But yes jesuits are very dodgy. Don't have much time tonight but will have a look for stuff tomorrow.

Mort.
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Discussion #240Talk Sense

30 Sep 2011 13:18:57
for anyone who does not know ,jesse ventura does some very intertaining conspiracy theory episodes , you get most of them on utube , hes ex wrestler , ex marnie , ex governer , watch him trying to get off 3 shots in 6 odd secounds in his jfk show, other good shows are - underground bases , etc , very well made shows to watch...........lfc

 

Yeah i've seen the rifle thing, its damn near impossible to get 3 very good shots off in 6 seconds with a bolt action. I know people say its possible and yeah you can fire 3 off just about, but not well aimed almost perfect shots like LHO is supposed to have done. Mort
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Discussion #239Talk Sense

30 Sep 2011 12:54:32
thanks. I used the donald sutherland quotes as they summed up what i wanted to say. Lfc i'm checking all that stuff out. Thats what led me to that article. Mort

 

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Discussion #238Talk Sense

30 Sep 2011 01:09:01
heres a good name everyone should check out on youtube- douglas dietrich , ex usa military ,among other things his topics include
usa and russia fighting in space
9.11 and the house of saud
what really happened at roswell
interesting stuff some of the more beliveable i have heard lately , oh and my own thoughts on the jfk killing, oswald never fired a shot .........lfc

 

I know its not related to the JFK shooting but when you look at the film 'shooter' with Mark Wahlberg,it would kind of make you think of the JFK shooting and how easy it would be to frame someone for it and who could be involved...senators,cia,secret government agencies!!
PmacC
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The list grows of who killed jfk , but as mort has said below look who had most to gain with his death , very interesting , but people should also check out the killing of abraham lincoin , theres more to that as well.........lfc
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Discussion #237Talk Sense

29 Sep 2011 21:14:05
thanks ed was worried about that didn't want to type it all out again. Mort

 

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Discussion #236Talk Sense

29 Sep 2011 21:03:48
Right, one of the main things i've often wondered on thr JFK assassination hasn't been the the who or the how but the why. Answer that and you get the who.

Donald Sutherlands character on Oliver Stone's film JFK hit the nail on the head:

"Sometimes I think the organizing principle of any society is for war, the authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers."

"It's standard procedure, especially in a known hostile city like Dallas...
...to supplement the Secret Service.
Even if we hadn't let him ride with the bubble-top off...
...we would've put 100 to 200 agents on the sidewalk without question. " [FROM THE JFK SCRIPT, BEAR THIS ONE IN MIND FOR LATER]

"The how and the who is just scenery for the public.
Oswald, Ruby, Cuba, the Mafia...
...keeps them guessing, like a game.
Prevents them from asking the most important question: why?
Why was Kennedy killed? Who benefited?
Who has the power to cover it up? Who? " [FROM THE JFK SCRIPT AGAIN. BUT NAILS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SAY]

"Find out the defense budget since the war began. $75 going on $100 billion.
Nearly $200 billion will be spent before it's over.
In 1949, it was $10 billion.
No war...no money.
The organizing principle of any society, Mr. Garrison...
...is for war.
The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers."

Right sorry for the long quotes, especially if you have seen JFK and know the bit i mean.

www.illuminati-news.com/kennedy-assassin.htm

Hope this works this time, if not i have also put in the link to the video at the end. Its not great quality, and maybe you have seen it before. I hadn't until yesterday. And i was shocked, especially given what Donald Sutherlands character said in JFK about standard operating procedures.

But back to the main point, the why.

I'm hoping that link works this time but if not i'll throw in a few choice quotes.

Here is the main site link www.illuminati-news.com/ just in case then go to the site map and look for JFK.

Most people know that the FEDERAL Reserve bank is creating the US dollars. But the truth is that the Federal Reserve is not federal at all, but owned by twelve super-wealthy International Banking families, such as the Rothschild’s and the Rockefellers. This is a well hidden secret, but can even be verified in “Encyclopedia Britannica

What JFK did was to create interest-free government money, backed up by the silver reserve, contrary to the Federal Reserve money, which is not backed up by anything as you will find out if you continue reading. He wanted to pay off the US debt this way. Apparently aware of the secret behind the Federal Reserve, he decided to go back and follow the Constitution. Of course, this was a very dangerous thing to do, because if he was allowed to continue, it could put the International bankers out of business in the long run. So this was even more serious than to reorganize the CIA.

Interestingly enough, soon after the assassination the interest-free money was taken out of circulation(1).

Kennedy signed a not very well known Executive Order, # 11110(2) in June of 1963, only five months before the assassination (also, click here to read ALL Executive Orders JFK wrote throughout his Presidency, ordered by numbers). This Order returned the power to issue currency to the government, without going through the Federal Reserve Bank. Kennedy gave the Treasury the permission to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury. In plain language this means that for every ounce of silver in the US Treasury vault, the government could let new money into circulation. JFK brought nearly $4.3 billion U.S. notes(3) out on the market. So, we can now clearly see that by signing this Executive Order, he was about to put the Federal Reserve Bank (and with them all the International Bankers) out of business. The Federal Reserve Notes would eventually not be in demand anymore, and by doing so, Mr. Kennedy probably also signed his own death warrant.

Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed up by silver.

Maybe the assassination of President Kennedy was a warning to successors not to "make the same mistake" as this courageous President did. Brilliance is only allowed and acknowledged if it serves the Illuminati Agenda. Although Mr. Kennedy was of an Illuminati bloodline and probably also an occultist on some level, and even involved in practices common man would disagree with, I believe he was a man of honor when it came to politics and he took his job seriously. Being a Kennedy (Illuminati Bloodline) was enough for the International Bankers to sponsor him, thinking he would adjust to the Agenda. Especially when his mob related father, Joe Kennedy, fought hard to get his son into the Office. Joe was in great favor of the Illuminati king pins.

But time told them they had made a mistake and put a person in power whom refused to abide and had his own ideas, eager to execute them. The same thing goes for his brother Robert, and his son John F. Kennedy Jr., whom threatened to reveal the Secret Behind Power shortly before he had his "accident". It is very interesting to see that all those three Kennedy's are now dead before their time, while Edward (Ted) Kennedy is still alive, being the one who goes in father Joe's footsteps to bring the New World Order into a reality.

The JFK intention to end the Vietnam War (which was a very profitable war for the bankers) by 1965 would severely have cut the profits of the private owned Federal Reserve Bank and the banking establishment.

There is loads more in there including something on the connections between Lincoln and Kennedy....


the video on youtube

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8

Mort

 

Who is the illuminati , and who has lots of sway in american polices and banking , check out the jesuits, the knights of malta , you may be shocked at lots of these so called bloodlines , zionists , right wing bapists , etc they are indeed only carrying out the work of their masters in rome ,who are also behind a lot of the eu stuff , disimformation is every where , look into the history of these so called peacful churchs you will find a lot of scary stuff , not the descent people who follow faith but the dark powers at the top that mis-use it.........lfc
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The Donald Sutherland character is based on L Fletcher Prouty who has written books about the JFK assasssination and was interviewed on the 'Men who killed Kennedy' series
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Discussion #235Talk Sense

29 Sep 2011 17:38:22
Hi guys not so much a conspiracy but if you have an open mind it may help us out It's called the secret and its on DVD certain bits are on youtube and you can get the secret app on android (it's free) for your phone its about positive thinking (sounds boring i know) but i swear to god it is brilliant just give it a try

MJ

 

That's your opinion but not mine. My opinion is that if you sit in a ferrari or think about a bike or stick a picture of a house up on a board, I can tell you they do not magically appear as the Secret suggests. Not only that this is no secret as it has been about for a very long time.
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Well you obviously didny see the OPEN MIND part of my post negative things happen to negative people im not saying positive people dont get them but negativity draws negativity but if you stay positive and desire things life tends to unfold in a happier manner but you obviously didnt understand the issue of the secret

MJ
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Yeah kind of makes sense MJ, power of the mind sort of thing. So if i keep thinking that my boss falls off his chair he will do, or the hot girl in the office to look at me she might do. Slightly puerile reasoning i know but by focusing the power of the mind on the thing you want you can increase the chances....
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MJ you are on the right track but its not as easy as you make it out

A few extras are required young man
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If you concentrate on the boss falling off the chair it will happen may take awhile however Karma may come to visit you just to balance things out, still want him to fall off the chair?
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Discussion #234Talk Sense

29 Sep 2011 16:56:54
what do people think of all these ufo and alien programs now on tv there was this much a few years ago?

 

There was more on tv in the late 80s early 90s i had a an idea for a live tv show all about ghost hunting and paranormal investigations as far back as 1990 never did follow it up though and look at the programmes that have been made since {Ed033's Note - Someone it seems wants people to think that ufo's and aliens are a possibility.}
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I love these aliens programs but I really miss ALF he was just the business
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You sir and ALF are both idiots
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Discussion #233Talk Sense

29 Sep 2011 12:33:54
ah sorry raz mate i'll look at that later. I wanted to go more in depth on that but i was stunned at the video clip. Others have probably seen it before. If not well its surprising. Mort

 

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