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Discussion #256Talk Sense

03 Oct 2011 11:06:46
imperialistic great britain and vatican rome have been responible for many bad things in the past , but i try to put the good things they have done to, giving the world and other countrys- schools , hosiptals , universtys ,roads , railways , independent govement and free elections, infrastructure ,. first aid and help in times of diasters, leading science and techenolgy , banking , which can be a good thing if its fair and descent, and to be fair thoughtout history many empires all over the world have ruled at different times , doing very bad things and some good stuff.............lfc

 

They have also been responsible for Murder
Torture
Asset stripping a country of its natural resources
Oppression of mankind in large areas of the world
Slavery

Does the "good" outweigh the "bad"
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I was hoping a feelow Red would have more sesnse!
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Yes mate you are right , but you cant just throw away the good things that came out of it , sure make sure the bad things never happen again but its just the truth , if you just learn ,forgive and move on , in life we all have to.........lfc
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Mate you need to develop some deeper thinking its not as easy as saying, learn, move on, etc.

I am not british, I hold no grudge against britain, so your comment is not for me but I can see how for others what you say is not that easy

You have to look at both sides
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All i did was give the good and the very bad , if you read on down the page you will see that , i understand forgivness is a peronsal thing , and everyone is entilted to their own view/.........lfc
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Discussion #255Talk Sense

03 Oct 2011 10:14:41
To "all terrorists are muslim" . You sound like EDL ,you know THE thickest
of all racist movements .Everyone take a look at MUSLAMIC RAPE GANGS
on youtube ,it tells you everthing you need to know really .
To Mort , you crazy mixed-up kid. The oppression of the Irish is not mostly
ancient history and the tone of your post does come across as imperialistic
(and patronising ) . You may be a fellow leftie but i think you have blnd spot ,
try to be a tad more humble comrade !
JR

 

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Discussion #254Talk Sense

03 Oct 2011 00:42:18
My Oil And Gas - Ireland and Norway

www.youtube.com/watch?v=76VOnzXQMsU

 

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Discussion #253Talk Sense

02 Oct 2011 17:47:23
Sam Cam's eyes are an inch and a half too high! Think about it people.......... {Ed001's Note - who?}

 

Samantha Cameron wife of the Prime Minister Ed001.

Can't say i've ever measured her face though.

Mort {Ed001's Note - maybe you should....}
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Samantha Cameron - an inch and a half too high, check it out, it's a tell tale sign.

Reginald
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I honestly can't say that i'm all that interested in her all that much.

So why is this significant and why should i measure her face?

Can just imagine running up with a tape measure....

Mort.
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I think she is a babe so what if she is a reptile?
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I'd would not say no
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Discussion #252Talk Sense

02 Oct 2011 15:23:43
Does any one no if my old enemy 2 PAC really is still alive BIGGY SMALLS

 

Look into sug knight , death row records.........lfc
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Discussion #251Talk Sense

02 Oct 2011 11:15:22
irish red you've got a massive chip on your shoulder. Yes their have been many tragic events in the history between our two islands. Many things that should never have happened. But the vast majority happened centuries ago. Most english people like the irish. We'll happily cheer you on in sporting events. We wont do that for the scots. Look at the recent help we've given you to help your economy out. I've been to dublin its one of my favourite cities. I even went to see the post office. Your women are beautiful. Whats happened is in the past and i'm not going to apologise for things done before i was born. I wasn't responsible and i certainly don't agree with it. But if you really think a bombing campaign was justified then i'm sad. Do you really think those two young lads in warrington deserved to die? Amongst many others? Wrongs were done on both sides but neither can move on till there is some forgiveness from both sides. Even your top sinn fein men seem to be moving on. Peace. Mort

 

Fair play Mort,well said,though wouldnt agree with you 100% about our women being beautiful...haha!!
PmacC
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Just another apologist for British imperialism which has spanned the centuries, Afghanistan,Iraq,Libya,Ireland,India ect ect.
Ireland is our biggest trading neighbour, so was in our interests to help a co-dependent trading partner.
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Mort i agree 100% with your statement. The two lads did not deserve to die and im against most stuff the IRA do ''NOWADAYS'' but i support the them because what they are trying to do. O ya i totally agree on the woman lol.


Irish Red
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Irish Red thank you. I cannot condone the methods no matter the aim, there has to be a better way. But thank you.

To the unamed poster, where did i condone Imperialism? Do you see current events as Imperialism? Are we supposed to stand by as madmen massacre people who want freedom? Too many times we have stood by and appeased dictators and madmen when we should be rooting them out. As i said in my first post a lot of tragic events happened, that should never have happened. But as i also said i will not apologise for events that happened before i was born, i bear no responsibility for acts committed when my grandparents were children. Also do you think that some other country would not have done the same? The French certainly would have and committed many similar acts themselves. As did the Americans when they carried out ethnic cleansing in their own country.

Many nations have committed many wrongs upon other nations and their own citizens. But these events have happened and are undoable. All we can do is learn from them and move on. Let go of the hate and build a better world. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Peace brothers.

Mort
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Haha yoda rocks!
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Discussion #250Talk Sense

02 Oct 2011 00:54:51
so a fun, entertaining and interesting site gets hijacked by a load of ignorant people. I can understand people get offended. I'm offended by the person who said the ira aren't terrorists and still seems to be holding a grudge over events that happened long before they were born. I can understand people getting offended by the original poster. But in his cack handed way he raised a question that a lot of people have. We are becoming a divided society and this does not help. It just breeds mistrust and hatred. Instead of retreating off complaining about being offended have a discourse. People's mistrust stems from the perception that you are a closed community. We were all created equal so lets treat each other as equal. Thank the maker and peace brothers. {Ed001's Note - that was exactly why I posted it rather than just deleted it. People are far too happy to get offended about things, rather than attempting to put their side of things over. How can they expect someone to understand if no one explains to them?}

 

All im saying is if it wasnt for the IRA i would be probally dead. I grew up in Northen Irealnd in the 70's so thats why im trying to defend the IRA

Irish Red {Ed001's Note - you could equally say they caused as much harm as they did good. You are defending something that is indefensible. If you want to defend their cause, that is all well and good, but their methods did as much to prolong the struggle as anything. But then they shouldn't have been put in a position where they were forced into making a choice in the first place. Still doesn't change the fact that they were terrorists (def: someone who uses violent action, or threats of violent action, for political purposes), and so prove that not all terrorists are Muslim. In fact most, if not all, Governments around the world are guilty of terrorism too.}
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Yes i agree with you but it was to help get back out country in which your one ( i asume your english ) tried to take over and which your country still part own the north

Irish Red {Ed001's Note - I am British, I have a British passport, not English. My great-grandad was involved in the Dublin uprising mate, my great uncles were put in concentration camps by the English. I just don't think that shooting people or planting bombs is the answer. Violence begets violence, hatred breeds more hatred. It just makes things worse in my opinion.}
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Most of my family were involved in the orginal IRA so i know what your talking about. But on your second last comment you said most , if not all governments are guilty of terrorism were not because nowadays you get sent to prision for being involved in the IRA {Ed001's Note - it is a shame that it isn't applied to governments that use terrorism, we wouldn't have had to put up of years of Tony B-Liar that way!}
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Some governments are more into terrorism than others?

I wonder which governments that could be?
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Lets see, Iran, Syria, Libya, Russia, America for example.
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Discussion #249Talk Sense

01 Oct 2011 18:11:49
Latest conspiracy!!

The muslims are out to get us. They have done what hitler couldn't and have successfully invaded GB and now they are breeding us out. There was an official application for a sharia court in my city-Glasgow. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim. Have a think about it.we have 2 kids and they have 6,7,8. 1 in every 3 children born in the western world is now born a Muslim and I for 1 feel this is a problem as There views on women, relationships and ethics is disgraceful and more importantly they hate us white westerners. So give it 10 years and wait to see the problems created world wide. Yesterdays killing of some Arabian maniac says it all. He was American born and educated and conspired to kill all Americans. What does every1 else think or am I being narrow minded? {Ed001's Note - not all terrorists are Muslim at all, have you never heard of the IRA? There are terrorists of every race and creed.}

 

This is a subject i would prefer to avoid but there will certainly be problems in years to come.
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IRA I can understand but you know what i mean. The Muslim terrorists are the 1s driving into our airports with bombs strapped to themselves. They are flying planes into our buildings and beheading our soldiers.

Another thing I forgot to mention was 2 years ago I was driving to a Halloween party in fancy dress and got stopped by the cops for wearing a mask, I got 3 points and £250 fine. These Muslim women drive around my city with there best ninja suit on and not a word said. I would like to know why and I would also like us to follow suit with France and ban the burqa. Saying that, the women are so ugly I'm not so sure I want to see there faces! Haha.
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Disgraceful 1st and 3rd post
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I don't mean to be offensive at all, and I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists. But, when a flight attendant sees a Muslim at an airport, do you really believe they don't have doubts or don't question if something could happen. It's a fact of life that people are, maybe unfairly, suspicious of Muslims.

G.A.G.U.S
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Dude ur absolutely pathetic and ed as a muslim myself i find this post racist and am offended so may u please remove it? {Ed001's Note - would you prefer to moan about the fact that he is ignorant of the truth OR would you prefer to educate him in the truth of the matter? Because being offended helps no one, all you are doing is increasing a divide that the media are creating.}
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Discussion #248Talk Sense

01 Oct 2011 15:26:51
1. the bankers who may or may not be Illuminati control everything.

2. they have used certain groups over the years to their bidding with complicitly or through deception this include but are not limited to the vatican, the coe, the communist party, islamic fundamentalists.

3. to what end? are the Illuminati really a secret society of devil worshippers?

4. Where do the Templars fit in? What of the Holy Grail?

5. What knowledge has been systematically hidden from us for 2000 years?

Mort

 

Mort

The knowledge which is kept from the masses is our TRUE ORIGINS and our being.
Well that's what I personally believe, because I think that if we discovered our true origins, anyone who is in any way religious, would have their whole belief system shattered, and be outraged at the lies that we have been fed.

Peace

Jay
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But why the lies?

Suppose i go along with your theory and Sumerioans wrote all down and every other major religion copied it. And knowledge was designed to be passed around with it all down in lay mans language for simple people to understand then why the lies?

I understand the what and how, the who we can all guess at and to be honest the more you look the more the who becomes apparant, but the why i do not understand.

Mort.
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I just tripped across this in an internet search and found it useful. might be useful for anyone else wondering what on earth are we talking about uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100523065715AAQjqUg

Mort
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Discussion #247Talk Sense

01 Oct 2011 00:53:31
does the british government employ serving special forces in covert operations against terrorists and once a special forces soldier has ended his military career is he always bound by the official secrets act for life? e.g. If they make a statement to the press can they be charged with treason?

 

Yes they take the oath for life.
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Discussion #246Talk Sense

01 Oct 2011 00:43:14
So does the city of London with it's masonic enclave!

 

Yes remember Boycie's masonic lodge

Where Del got black balled
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Discussion #245Talk Sense

01 Oct 2011 00:01:01
the worse part of looking into conspiracys and history is what part religion has played , you really have to study it to understand what goes on , but theres one thing i think we all argee on ,that is no matter what faith or religion people follow and there are many types we should all live in peacful coexistence , share our food wealth, help the poorer nations and try to stop wars and people getting killed..........lfc

 

Religion is a farce!
Ever religious book has exerts from the Sumerian clay tablets. The greatest civilisation known to mankind. Worth checking that out to see just how much of a joke religion really is.
All religious books use the word god to describe their creator or divine being. According to the Sumerians, another race of being simply altered our DNA structure to be more like them, hence the phrase "let us make man in our image and our likeness"
If you check out our DNA, it's proven to have a strange anomolie that suggest that someone changed the way it once was, as whatever it is that's different cannot happen naturally. Check it out.

Peace

Jay
Glasgow
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LFC

I totally agree with you mate, well said!

Peace

Jay
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Religion is like politics just another way to manipulate the people and stop them asking the important questions

Mort
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I seconded that if you look a the Vatican's history you'll see they have been trying there hardest to keep man kind down like why are they in the U.N that makes no sense to me Religion and politics should be keep apart
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