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Discussion #2295Talk Sense

Weed, blow, dope. Whatever we like to call it, will always be a touchy subject. I can grasp the whole 'it's a plant' theory. I think it was Joe Rogan who said 'if you're going to put a person in jail for smoking a plant that makes them feel happy, then you're the terrorist' something along them lines.
I fully believe that humans should be allowed to consume anything that is naturally produced on this planet.
I've seen plenty of publications on how cannabis oils can help with medical problems, even know a few people who take it for arthritic problems.
However, I really don't believe it is completely harmless. Being a young 'scally' if you like to call it, growing up in Northern Ireland. 'Blow' as we liked to call it, was a completely anti-social (anti-norm) substance.
We used to smoke it daily in our early teens, and I can definitely say getting off of it was quite hard. My friends and I used to love going to clubs, pubs, what have you, but when we really started smoking dope regularly, we gradually stopped going out and preferred to sit in each others houses just to get stoned, being really anti-social.
Any nights we did venture out to the clubs, we would have most definitely ended up taking 'E tabs' or LSD, never just a social bevvy.
All of these substances, be it chemically enhanced plant extracts, or drugs. All can be disturbing to ones mind.
I left Ireland in the early 2000's to do a bit of travelling around the U. S and sampled my 1st proper 'blunt' a cigar paper filled with pure 'weed' not a chemical filled tabbaco 'rollie'.
Again, in my shame. I became very fond of smoking 'pure weed'. Maybe I have a very addictive personality but when I decided that 'weed' was once again, in a different form, taking over my life (being lazy, anti-social). I decided to knock it on the head also and had a torrid time getting off of it, no sleep, anxiety, and short temper.
I really don't know where I stand on this subject but can give my 1st hand view that the old smoke is just as bad as most of the addictive s*** that's out there.

 

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04 Jan 2014 04:19:59
Great post mate, I have a mate that does weed regularly, he said you can't get addicted to weed but he's the same guy constantly smoking it being anti-social, born in England grew up in Australia, it's something that you can't escape, my kids have been offered weed an as young parents me and my wife do not want our kids to be accosiated with drugs as they are harmful, and cause anti social ness and other sorts of problems, my mate was depressed and went to every other drug he could, I don't want to be accosiated with it and either my kids, although I have no problem with people that smoke plant drugs, at there own risk

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Cannabis creates a psychological addiction much like alcohol, not a chemical addiction like tobacco (nicotine).
If you have a strong character (will power) and do not wish to be using the substance you can do so.

Regarding the anti-social behavior people attribute to the particular substance, it is something personal and depends on the environment.
In societies where cannabis is accepted, I have seen no evidence from its users of anything that can be described as an anti-social behavior.
Perhaps if one tries to understand that the extrovert entertainment people search for in pubs, bars and clubs are designed for alcohol consumption, then one might understand why users of other substances would opt for a more relaxing environment, where people can interact with others through discussion.

The use of entheogenic substances as party drugs stems from the lack of an understanding as to the reason why such substances exist and their effects on human nature.
Don't blame the substance for the "bad trip", blame the self.

The legalization of cannabis would revolutionize the paper, textile, rope and pharmaceutical industries overnight. That is the reason cannabis is still illegal.

Alcohol, tobacco, coffee, sugar etc. are detrimental to human health. The overconsumption of these substances is proven to cause serious health issues.
There are no proven side effects from consuming cannabis and it is practically impossible to overdose on.
Physical entities have the right to do as they wish with their bodies.
Zari
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frankyscouser
Like with everything weed/beer/food etc everything in moderation, I think its a jeremy kyle line that cannabis causes you psychological problems the person, its down to the person who would problery be cranky without a daily fix of caffeine, my mum uses it to take the edge of her arthritis, like I mentioned apart from the odd joint bk in the day I do not smoke but giving the choice I would make pot legal none of that super skunk s### that is laced with as many chemicals as cigarettes.
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Some great points, I'm with zari in that I believe the issues surrounding any substance use lay mostly with the individual rather than the substance. As mentioned above, if your will power is strong and you can use in moderation then no problem, whether we're talking weed, alcohol or other. Its the people who have addictive personalitites who can suffer or those who use to escape reality. Unfortunately i'm speaking from experience there!

very good point zari also, regarding the anti social behaviour and the way our 'social scene' is set up to make it that way for cannabis users. In my home town I feel like an outsider because I don't want to go out drinking til 2am in places that play loud, terrible music. I would rather listen to good music with close friends, in a comfortable environment where we can actually hear each other talk. If 'they' provided public places for me to do so or even allowed me to do so at home without breaking any laws, I would feel more in touch with the rest of society.

Personally, I would welcome decriminalisation but only alongside some sensible education - which is another vital issue imo. A big problem we face in the west is a lot of people still have no idea what cannabis is like and what properties it shares because they've been brainwashed with the whole 'reefer maddness' and 'drugs are bad' routine for years.

I remember being in a coffee shop in Amsterdam and being impressed by the common sense and open approach they showed. In particular, I was reading a pamphlet on the table that explained what's happening to your body when you 'whitey' (low blood sugar levels) and how to address it (take in sugary drink, stay calm etc) should you need to. Its this kind of honest, sensible and open approach to educating people that would need to accompany any decriminalisation, rather than the old propoganda form of 'dont smoke a reefer or you'll think its a good idea to jump off a tall bridge' I used to have to endure in school/society.

So decriminalise it yes but only alongside good, open education and firm controls over supply.

Harold
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Discussion #10530Talk Sense

04 Jan 2014 01:02:56
Going onto the cannabis talk. I was a big user a while back and although I agree it's slot more beneficial and harmless than alcohol I smoked for ten years and I found It very very difficult to stop I was smoking skunk dunno your opinions on that may make a big difference but for 6 weeks straight I thought up every excuse to get some when I promised my partner I'd stop, will be 1 year in February since I stopped but Tbh I've no intention if going back however I have no problem with those who enjoy it, I'd be lying if tge best part of my adolescent years were enhanced by this miracle plant

 

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Discussion #10529Talk Sense

03 Jan 2014 22:55:33
Was reading an interesting blog about 'bitcoin' recently, a subject I know little about apart from it being a newly devised electronic currency which does not face the issues of taxation or bank charges as the system is all held personally via an electronic device (computer, laptop, phone etc. ) I'm fairly sure I read also that the origins of this system were unknown with people only guessing who had invented it.

Anyway, the blog suggested that bitcoin is in fact an illuminati creation, put in place by the c. f. r. In other words, what people think is a refreshing alternative means of currency (not controlled by central banks) is actually the opposite, a possible first step (or trial run) towards a new world currency, actually controlled by the very same people.

Could there be any truth to this? It would tie in with the mystery over who created the system. can't say my knowledge of bitcoins or economies in general is great so was looking for other opinions.

thanks, Harold

 

frankyscouser
H the honest answer is who knows? We would be guessing the people who thought of the idea will gain financely I am assuming, The easiest thing to do is introduce the bradbury pound.
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Bitcoin presented a solid investment when it first came out. Those that bought in at that time have profited, as is the case with all pyramid schemes.
Now it is a way to conduct business you do not want to be seen conducting.

The fact that it is controlled by an unsupervised authority makes it as volatile as any fiat currency.
Its electronic nature makes it vulnerable to manipulation.

As for it serving the purposes of the establishment, as a trial run for a digital world-currency, you could be right Harold.

Franky, local currencies under the supervision of the people is what I would suggest. We need to be extra careful before implementing an electronic currency, as anyone could destroy said economy with minimal resources.
Zari
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Thanks for the info guys. When I have some free time I will look into the alternative currency systems you have mentioned.

Regards, harold
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frankyscouser
More on the bradbury pound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwI1Oj4LMQU
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Did not know that the UK had their own version of Greenbacks called the Bradbury pound. Thanks for the link Franky and let's hope the Khazar owned central banks soon are a thing of the past.
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Discussion #10528Talk Sense

03 Jan 2014 19:32:38
So with cannabis slowly becoming legal around the world I wondered about what everyone here thought about the subject. Have the powers that be, been preventing it being legal so as to protect alcohol sales and worried if it were legailzed it would endanger their assets. Most importantly would you be happy it were to become legal in the UK? (this includes uses such as hemp etc. )

Nicholas Fairing

 

Jack!
Irish citizen but living in UK currently, its only a matter of time I feel before it will be made legal here (Ireland as usual could be a few years behind the rest of the world). Taking into account what is currently happening in America and not forgettin developments in Uruguay, I for one would welcome legalization. The days of believing in things such as 'Reefer Madness' are finally coming to an end, it is being viewed less harshly and more and more studies are coming out to show the endless benefits from the legalization of this natural plant along with the potential for it to be taxed, especially given the current economic outlook at home. Its time criminals stopped making money off of it and innocent people stopped being made criminals because of it.
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I have smoked cannabis for over ten years, daily. I have also drank alcohol for a similar amount of time and found that out of the two cannabis has far less adverse health effects. Alcohol is the worse drug I have ever taken ( and I have taken most, except some of the more "hardcore" drugs- crack cocaine and heroine etc) but the addictiveness of alcohol is dangerous in my opinion.
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I would like to see it decriminalised for possession for personal use. I also think its use should be restricted to private property i. e. not in the street.

Ryan.
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Yep i'm with Ryan, decriminalise it because users of a naturally produced substance should not be seen as criminals with any sense of logic. I would call for supply to be controlled though so as to cut out the crime element I. e. Dealers. The only problem being, of course, if we allow the establishment to control the supply who knows what nasty substances will get put in there!

Harold
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There are always petitions setup but none ever get enough names signed due to people scared of putting their names down on list supporting something that still illegal I know that's the view in the growing community (don't want to mark themselves) also their are too many petitions setup at a time with not enough people knowing they exist. Cannabis has so many medicinal properties that need to be explored and now hopefully in Washington state and Colorado state in USA they will now be able to explore it thoroughly
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Discussion #9068Talk Sense

03 Jan 2014 17:29:03
hey guys hope you had a good new years, sorry to read about your grandad killahvirus, just got back yesterday and read on twitter someone was saying that we will be all charged when we go to a+e?now I know there is a large proportion of society that are not interested in what's happening around the world but I can not see this proposal getting passed as it affects everyone and I can see mass demonstrations/riots all over the country.

 

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It's been happening in Ireland for quite a while now Franky. €100 FOR A&E. €500 for a fire engine call out. Getting more and more like the USA every day. If you're not loaded you're f*%$ed.

Ryan.
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What the F*£k there is no way I will ever pay for health care, I already pay national insurance, and that is still charged a much to high a rate. I will be the first person protesting on the streets if they ever try to charge me for a visit to A&E. If this happens I see this being the end of the british establishment. As franky said, the majority of people don't care but we will not let them destroy OUR NHS.
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I have a hell of respect for the Irish who have been fighting the establishment in one way or another for years but I though you guys would have fought this , I really think if they try to force this on us it will kick off and once this does I hope the Irish brothers and sister's join us, remember the more they take from us the more they want!
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Rather than debate these issues fully, they are usually introduced as part of a govt. budget, and seen as a fait accompli. We have a version of the NHS called the HSE, which employs 100,000 people and costs €14m per year to run, but nearly 2m people still have expensive insurance policies to gain treatment in the same hospitals mainly out of fear. The perception on Ireland is that if you're not insured, you will get second class treatment.

The wealthy can skip the queue to gain quicker access to consultants and treatment. Consultants who have mega contracts with the HSE (200k+) are playing both sides of the system, and openly freelance in the private sector earning vast amounts on top of their obscene salaries. They are arrogant untouchable scum, who the government is afraid of taking on.

Don't ever allow the NHS to be taken away. It is flawed, but it is a million times better than the Irish or US version. Countries like Sweden have apparently great systems, but they pay higher taxes for the service. Also the French model which is much lauded is in deep debt and needs overhauling. The NHS is the least bad option and I hope you fight tooth and nail to keep it.

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Just want to correct a typo on my post above. The HSE costs 14 billion not 14 million to run each year. Thanks.

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Discussion #4931Talk Sense

02 Jan 2014 09:08:48
{Ed033's Note - David Icke's take on the Fukushima disaster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poL8QlAwtoE

 

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Thanks for the link Ed033.
Icke makes so much sense, occasionally.

Weather manipulation and physical phenomenon emulation as relating to the electric universe theory (energetic universe) is possible.

The side-effects of currently used technologies on a whole, can be considered as a form of terraformation, that would benefit reptiles, small fish and cockroaches.
Zari
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I was just talking yesterday to someone about Fukushima yesterday. He studies fish in Ireland now since moving there and he said he wouldn't touch tuna now since the Fukushima accident. Most tuna comes from Asia and America and he said they don't entirely know how far or exactly where a lot of tuna travel as they cover such vast distances. Nothing anywhere near the amount of exposure on the whole subject has been covered by any media.

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http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/36-signs-media-lying-fukushima-radiation-affecting-west-coast/

here is a link I seen about all the things the media are lying ( keeping from us) about I won't be eating tuna anymore that's for sure my grandad just passed away Dec 27 from cancer caused from asbestos my mum has just got the all clear after being diagnosed with breast cancer 2 years ago cancer is terrible and more cases are happening more than ever before supposedly cannabis oil can make tumors half in size in 1 week but the medical community are not allowed to conduct thorough research why? Because the money chemotherapy and radiotherapy make a year is trillions
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Discussion #2250Talk Sense

02 Jan 2014 00:16:53
So I'd thought we should go through which conspiracies we know for defenite are true such as the Hillsborough Disaster, 9/11, JFK anyone care to add?

 

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Horse meat inclusion in products, subway "eat fresh", (believe me I know this is not true from personal experience).
I'd put my house (well maybe not) on the Diana "accident" not being an accident. Too many loose ends.

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I think what every person knows as truth is subjective.

Nevertheless, here's a few of the top of my head.

Suppression of spirituality, suppression of knowledge (book "burning"), suppression of science, suppression of technologies, suppression of archeology, behavioral modification in favor of the establishment in formal education and mass entertainment, alteration of past event accounts, artificial scarcity, planned obsolescence, the establishment divide and conquer practices which have kept humanity from maturing, privately owned central banks manipulating countries, organized religion manipulating the people, secret governance, secret societies (Masonry), incapacitating corruption in all positions of authority, manipulation of human thinking processes through all frequency emitting devices (wireless internet, radio, mobile phone), faking of the moon landings, weather manipulation, the desolation of nature and the artificiality of environment serving as a spiritual shock delivering mechanism, purposefully oversimplified and dualistic languages limiting consciousness etc.

I'll stop there so it does not become too long of a list.
Zari
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Suppression of energy seems to be at the root of all this mess, Zari, essentially it's the same as the first thing in your list and progresses, spirals from there. pea
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Spot on pea.
Zari
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Discussion #4930Talk Sense

01 Jan 2014 22:00:18
{Ed033's Note - Interesting dot-connecting by Jay Weidner in this interview with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPr25wZWPSQ

 

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Thanks for sharing Ed033. Some very interesting information in that video link.
Now to watch it a few more times.
Zari
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Discussion #10527Talk Sense

01 Jan 2014 19:13:11
I have a question for readers & posters-

If you believe that society has been and will continue to be manipulated by a select few individuals, would you rather tolerate the manipulation to a certain extent or disband society as we know it completely?

Beagle

 

BigRed
Beagle what's the point? If we somehow managed that, then another group of greedy so and sos will take over and manipulate people for their on ends for as long as humanity has existed that has been the way and will always be. The world is run by money to quote a Lana del rey song "money makes the world go round, everyone knows that"
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I do not believe that people have always been manipulated by the few nor that they will be for much longer.

In a democratic system, where the responsibility for designing the future rests on the people, people naturally develop an interest in acquiring knowledge and serving the commons.
In turn this eliminates corruption and opportunity for manipulation.

I believe all the unnecessarily complex tools that are holding peoples logic captive, such as monetary policies, will evolve to provide humanity with the required abundance so as to be devoted to spiritual maturity.
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Discussion #1988Talk Sense

31 Dec 2013 10:57:14
hi guys great site, first post although been reading your posts for sometime now. I found an intresting video on youtube about a guy called aaron russo anyone have any more info on this guy and if he's a fake or not. thanks heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

 

{Ed033's Note - aaron russo was not fake. It's a good interview to watch
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Also, America : Freedom to Fascism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ayb02bwp0
Should probably watch this one first and then the one above.
Zari
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Discussion #10526Talk Sense

31 Dec 2013 00:13:57
Anyone heard of the aeon of Horus?

 

parson
New Age or the age of Aquarius?
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Isn't it to do with the age we are in now? The 4th or 5th aeon. After previously worshipping goddess/goddesses then a male type god, next is (or final) is a child like/teenage god? A bit cultish if you ask me.

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According to Aleister Crowley it is the aeon that supersedes the aeon of Osiris.
In Thelema (will) it is the age of reaching for the sky, spiritual awakening and Agape (love). The magick word for this age is Abrahadabra.
Out of the mother (Isis) and father (Osiris), the child is born (Horus).

Surprisingly enough wpedia is very specific on this subject, which makes me very skeptical.
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Discussion #10525Talk Sense

29 Dec 2013 16:33:07
How long can you watch TV before something turquoise is on the screen?

It's nothing but turquoise purple yellow, pink, red and blue; be they on clothes, decorations, backgrounds, text or on the many, many cubes and squares peppered around the set.

Why?

Because these are Luciferian, Saturnine (Satanic) colours and symbols. pea

 

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Lets not be silly.
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30 Dec 2013 14:38:33
I'm telling you the truth. Do you know how you can tell?Because you hate it. 'This' is your yardstick. pea
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Or just "how long can I watch TV?"

Drives me mental with its agendas and opinions and consensus and worst of all ORTHODOXY.

Read On Orthodoxy by GK Chesterton

Len
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Lets not go to far they may well be "satanic" but they are also just colours and popular ones too and that list is nearly half the colours we see
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I have been telling you there are no limits.

You tell me there are.

Since we're offering advice, here is mine to you.

The belief that you already know the answers will be what stops you from ever attaining them.

Admit you know nothing, and be free.

pea
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