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Discussion #374Talk Sense

27 Oct 2011 00:40:25
o so its work camps now is it. Tell me have you ever looked up what happened in these places? Go and look up frau kramer. Doctor josef mengele. All the experiments. Like throwing people in vats of freezing water and timing how long it took them to die. Or putting people in rooms and turning up the pressure and recording the results till people's heads exploded. But its ok the yanks used the data to make a space suit. Or how about stitching people together to make an artificial siamese twin. Go and look up places like birkenau, treblinka, sobibor, maidenek, and all the others. Go read the survivors accounts. Read schindlers ark. Go look up the systematic murder of twelve million people, fifty per cent of that number jewish, twelve million people, and tell me you still think it was a good idea. That the mono balled t**t had the right idea but was a bit misguided like you suggested earlier. Go look it all up and if you still think it never happened or that it wasn't all that bad go take a long look in the mirror and try and see some compassion or some humanity. To think that people can do such evil to other people based on race or religion and other people can try to water it down seventy years later! Sorry for the strong words but an emotive topic. Debate is one thing. Questions are one thing. But to deny all the facts?

 

While i totally agree with you that the atrocities in Nazi Germany during WW2 should always be remembered as acts of pure evil and its simply madness for anyone to try and justify them. But don't forget the British used concentration camps in the Boer war which seems to have been swept under the rug quiet nicely. {Ed001's Note - not just the Boer War, numbers of the Irish were placed in concentration camps too. To be fair though, the British idea of the concentration camp was not quite the same as Nazi Germany's. They were created to concentrate the indigenous population of the country into a place they could be closely monitored and kept away from fighting against the British soldiers and giving shelter and aid to those who were fighting. Whereas the Nazis used them to concentrate the undesirable elements prior to extermination.}
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I didn't know about the same being used on the Irish, i only resonantly read up about the Boer war. The British we truly ruthless all in the name of greed.

But in regards to WW2 i don't think the reason 'the allies' went to war was anything to do with the persecution of Jews and the other ethnic minorities that suffered during the time, or the invasion of Poland, i think its because the Nazi's were far more technologically advanced and they weren't going to share it with the rest of the world (now weather the tech was alien as some on this site have said, with evidence such as the Nazi bell is open for debate and shouldn't be ruled out). Which would explain the reason why a lot of scientists working for the Germans traveled to America and the Soviet Union after the war.

always a red
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The thing with the Boer war camps, its like anything ran by English toffs, they always cock things up. They truly couldn't run a bath. Not excusing it, but there was no malicious attempt to exterminate people. The Germans on the other hand tried to wipe out whole peoples. And used many in experiments. As the other guy said a lot of these people ended up in america, with all that data from murdering people in extreme ways. {Ed033's Note - The Nazis weren't the only ones carrying out disgusting experiments, the Japanese maybe as bad or worse with their Unit 731 experiments - www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7yDOXGmtro
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Yes Ed at some point i would have brought up the Jap. Unit 731 thats them, at Harbin? i don't know a lot about what they got up to but very horrific by all accounts. {Ed033's Note - Allegedly Unit 731 was about subjecting captured Chinese people to biological weapons such as weaponised anthrax. The head scientist was allegedly let off of criminal charges because he handed over all the data to the allies.}
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You should get your hands on irish history books.might make you look a little closer to home if you want to speak about a nation of murdering b**tards.im not defending da actions of the provisonal ira or any other group but 30+ years of retaliation in return for 800 years of tyranny is not too unfair in my book and thats just IRELAND.despite what you think you are one of the most hated races on earth for what you did in many countries around the world and continue to do now with the yanks backing you up.congrats on the success you shared in iraq.all those wmds you seized.almost as good as that vital war you won in the malvinas.
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Discussion #373Talk Sense

27 Oct 2011 00:30:14
Just thought I would see what everyone thinks. Have aliens visited our world. If yes then which incidents would you say were true and with what proof. I myself am undecided the only thing for me is pyramids being built 10.000 years ago. Give reasoning too.

 

Besides the pyramids there are hundreds of ancient monuments around the world built with construction techniques that are still not understood. Also the strange occcurences in every reliougous text known to man, and the other various oddities ie crystal skulls, sophisticated mining techniques, and the accelerated developtment of the modern world lend their self to an advanced guidance. Where as i dont believe all of these occurences will be proven there is just an overwhelming amount oof evidence that we were either visited repeatedly or suffere some great collapse causing us to become seemingly amnesic as a species in respect to our ancient heritage. I feel the truth will ultimately be discovered as our knowledge of dna advances
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Stonehenge is a bit odd as it would take alot of people to move and arrange them, im not sure about the amnesia excuse as all writings and evidencve of them being here would have just disappeared, evidence of other worldy beings im sure would have been recorded. for me monuments are not hard evidence as civilizations could have erected them as its not an impossabilty, if we look at the 7 ancient wonders that were created and built by man. i mean hard fact not just a guess
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Well the seven ancient wonders are realy just the greeks attempt to compare theirr monuments to the egyptians. I was speaking moreso of the olmec pyramids and libyan churches built from top down
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Discussion #372Talk Sense

27 Oct 2011 00:13:37
any body really interested in knowing why the jews are disliked should read - the truth about the talmud and make up your own mind , indeed if you follow the bible story they are cursed and are the seed of the sepernt , from satans sons cain bloodline , hence why jesus called the leaders the sons of the devil , not saying anyone should be harmed or anything like that , but when you look into the true meaning of these things , you find a very different story of things that peachers , churchs etc cover up and dont like to say the true meaning of things , like angles bred with earth women etc , but not everyone likes to hear the truth and people accept lies most times.............lfc

 

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Discussion #371Talk Sense

26 Oct 2011 23:45:02
Zyclone B was also used to disinfect the clothes as cholera and typhoid was rife in the camps....Not denying the holocaust or work camps but there is no evidence of gassing. No one had access to Auschwitz until after the coldwar as well as this the gas chambers where replicated by the museum afterwards. This has all been documented and revised by historians researching deeply into this.

www.revisionists.com/revisionism.html

check it out....... Can i please reiterate i don't deny work camps my gran was in a Japanese one in Singapore. Just think that not all the facts are being debated here properly and some KKK idiots are just sucking off nick griffin {Ed001's Note - you might want to learn how to spell Zyklon B before trying to claim you know what it was used for. There are more camps than just Auschwitz, so how its lack of availability until after the Cold War ended is relevant escapes me completely.}

 

{Ed033's Note - Allegedly during WW2, Pope John Paul II sold Zyklon B to the Germans as his day job.}
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And Prince Phillip went to a Hitler Youth school. And Prescott Bush was found guilty of trading with the enemy and etc etc etc etc.

It's one system for us plebs and another for the gods.

Someone press the big red button quick.

Len
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There isn't any other camp that has proof of gas chambers except Auschwitz. Not denying people were experimented on tortured etc.... Just believe the number of Jewish people has been made higher than it was and that mixed race people, Travelling people as well as others targeted by the Aryan agenda haven't been taken into account. It is something we should question as out of this Israel was created, as well as billions in compensation to the Jewish people. apparently only 15% of Jewish people believe in a state of Israel. Apart from slagging off my misspelling can you prove that Zyklon B wasn't used for disinfecting clothes?! {Ed001's Note - I think the point is that you can't prove that it wasn't used for murdering millions, while there are thousands of eyewitness accounts that it was.}
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Discussion #370Talk Sense

26 Oct 2011 19:12:29
Hiya eds. Not been liking the Jewish comments but each to there own. What do you think to this haarp machine/weapon ?? Some strange vids in the tube....odd cloud pattern, birds dropping from the skies and fish dying......I have read its something to do with antennas shooting powerful radio waves into the sonisphere.....what's your thought guys ??

Matty b {Ed033's Note - Apparently now the chinese have got their own Haarp type system called The Meridian and they are chuffed with it as it can not only affect weather on Earth but can affect space above the Earth to help their space program - www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWT9IYcqjNE

In addition, the Haarp type systems can allegedly affect our emotions and possibly cause earthquakes and volcanos to erupt as well.}

 

Haarp was invented by tesla. Look him up. Lots of conspiracys about his inventions.
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Geese, theres some odd stuff going on, thought tesla had something to do with it. ill have a look at the chinese one.

any other wierd stuff i can look at that hasnt been mentioned on here.....i would say we have covered 85% of them on here over the month or so......great work eds. the site has grown so much, i have been visiting this site for years....well the football rumours as was back then....well done to the lot of you.

matty b
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Just commenting on the tesla referece and feel obliged to aknowledge his greatness. Why he is not revered as the greatest inventor of the modern world is a conspiricy in its sef. From the aforementioned harp to studies on occillation to the deathray wireless power and the more practical ac electricity and halogen bulbs he was truly gifted with special knowledge {Ed001's Note - the best thing about Tesla was his lack of greed, everything he discovered he gave to the world for free, to use and improve as we wished. Unfortunately greedy fakes, such as Edison, would then patent his designs and sell them to us for huge sums.}
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Discussion #369Talk Sense

26 Oct 2011 16:53:22
thanks ed for putting up the views of these people. Sickening to see such views. {Ed001's Note - it is worrying that some people believe that it didn't happen at all. Yes there are a few inconsistencies in the figures given of the dead, but that's because they are estimates! No one even knows how many Gypsies are around now, let alone back then, so how would they know how many were wiped out? Same with Jews etc, there is no definite way of knowing how many people were killed. If it happened today in this country, we would find it very difficult to know how many people were killed, especially if it was a group of people seen as outsiders, such as Eastern Europeans. No one actually knows how many of them are in the UK, the only way to know how many were killed would be if the killers get records and we got our hands on them. I don't know why people think there is something dodgy about figures being revised on something like this. The figures will always be an educated guess.}

 

As someone said earlier, a lot of records got destroyed either accidently or deliberately.
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Blaming stuff on The Jews is ridiculous in itself as people who happen to choose Judaism as their faith are just like everyone else. They get up i the morning go to work, look after their children and go to bed. Their is no conspiracy in being Jewish. If the person who originally posted blaming the Jews had just said check out the 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion', then maybe we could have had a decent discussion.
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Try looking at the Talmud . It will sicken you .

Any followers of Judaism care to comment ?

jimi88 (atheist , not an anti-semite)
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Granted there are evil people at the top every religious sect to condemn a whole people is ludacris. Also i find the term Atheist rather fallable. EVERYONE serves something be it a God, money, government for socialists, or even subatomic particles.
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I know its off key but does anyone know why the word pyky (spelling) is a slur or slanderous to gypsies/ travellers i had one explanation by someone about it being about a reference to the pikemen but not convinced. Can anyone explain as i have been intrigued with this one for a while.
cheers stuart
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Discussion #368Talk Sense

26 Oct 2011 13:44:06
well i'm disgusted by mr holocaust denier. Try taking a trip out to poland and looking at the place. They dynamited the incriminating parts. Also they killed people at more than one place. If anything the figures given are too low. Records in the rural soviet union were not well kept in places and mostly destroyed.

 

The red cross has all the official records of the deaths but hav not releasaed them, i suppose it has nothin to do with jews havin most of the worlds power and wealth {Ed001's Note - not every Jew is rich, you clearly know nothing other than BNP propaganda.}
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Of course every jew is not rich, not every jew is only out 4 thr own personal gain, but the one who are the reason behind much evil on this beautiful planet, and 2 make this clear i am not a holocaust denier, jus think alot of what we hav been told is lies and does not add up, an none of my reasoning is unfounded, one of my close friends is a university lecturer who specialises in world war 2 and in prticular hitler, and over the years he has stumbled across many lies about hitler and the war, all i am sayin is that we are still bein lied 2 today about events many years ago, and one day the TRUTH about everything will be told, with many surprses, i can assure u, and i had hoped and thought tht other open minded people like myself might b interested in knowing such things as its enormity in human history, but a guess not everyone is as open minded as they thought
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I'm not defending this guy but if he has a point about the 'gas' chambers and lack of proof then maybe he is on to something, if he hasn't then someone needs to prove him wrong with some actual facts and that ends any agruement. I do happen to believe that what Hitler was searching for was very idealistic but he went about it very wrong, very very wrong......
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Below the offices where I work is a small chemical work shop (which we now use for storage), previously owned by `ICI` & before them a German company `Degussa`. I was informed by the landlord - now in his 80`s that `zyklon b`, a Chlorine based chemical, was produced there. It was touted as a pesticide but was mass produced in Germany for the `extermination` - for want of a better word - of the Jewish in concentration camps.
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1. How would the red cross have the records? yes they inspected the POW camps to make sure the allied pisoners (specifically the western ones like british, french, american ones etc) were well treated. But i can't exactly see the nazi's saying "o hello mr red cross man would you like a trip to poland to visit our death camps?"

Most of the records kept by the nazi's were destroyed as the russians closed in. many of them rightly feared the noose after the war for what had happened.
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Discussion #367Talk Sense

26 Oct 2011 12:34:36
hows about this 4 a conspiracy, hitler WAS the good guy in the 2nd world war, think about it the nazis basically invented thre modern world, b4 the war he took germany from a recession and created millions of jobs, sorted out there economyb4 bein dragged into war, germany back then was very much like america 2ay with jews, rothschilds, rockerfellers, controlling media and banking but hitler was brave enough 2 stop wat was happeninig unlike our untrustworthy leaders today, he almost always told the truth to his loving public, he was deeply religoius, and here is the icing on the cake, auschwitz once said tht about 4 million jews died there, bt then the plaque was later changed 2 read 2 million approx, but the officail 6 million jews died story stayed the same, how can this be, also ther is no evidence of gas bein used at auschwitz, how can this be if so many were gassed? also why is it only jews we r asked 2 remember and sympathise for wen others, blacks gypsies serbs etc were also killed ?? and why is therno mention of gas chambers in the books churchill and others wrote of the war, these stories appeared on mass several years later ?? also my great grandfather fought in africa against the nazis so b4 u acuse me of racism or anyhting else i thought i better let u no tht, wat does use think do ur own research i done mine ! {Ed001's Note - there is plenty of evidence of gassing, where do you think the chlorine we put in our water comes from? That's right, it is the same stuff that was used to gas people in Nazi Germany.}

 

I think u mean fluoride, not chlorine in the water, n that is poisoning not gassing, also the qiuckness of your reply suggests u havenot looked this up but used prior knowledge u think u knew, from school maybe, but remember the victors write the history, has anyone found any evidence of zyclone b in tthe so called gas chambers ??? {Ed001's Note - actually I mean chlorine, and no they do not tell you that in school, it is not exactly something they want you to know is it? Flouride comes from the waste products of mines, yes it is poisonous but it is not the same as chlorine. You clearly need to do your research mate.}
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I've read your post. And I politely disagree. How can anyone who ordered cold-blooded murder be a "Good Guy"? And FWIW, I do know about the Allied fire bombings so don't claim that we were whiter-then-white.
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Put it this way, if hitler had carried his final solution, would the world be a better place ?? look what the israelis are doin 2 palestine, and the whole new wolrd order illuminati stuff what names keep croppin up , rockerfeller rothschilds, JEWS, who owns media , banking,JEWS, who gains from the illegal wars , jews, also rothschild had a pateneted type of oil that the nazis needed for ther u boats and fighter planes, he literally gained from both america and germany during the war, he enabled the enemy now look at how much power they have , germany was once like america 2day, but hitler had had enuff, now america is the place where the jews continue ther evil plan, but now they are better prepared for another uprising and hav the blueprint of germany 2 use 2 ther advantage
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What has brought about all these cretinous anti-jewish remarks ?
These posts (not just this one above) read like something from a fascist pamphlet.
No - I am not jewish and I have no
connection to anyone who is jewish
So I have no axe to grind - but where has all this poison come from... schools
have a lot to answer for !!
Puzzled
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Puzzled.

Stuff like this really pisses me off! Couldn't care less if it was Jews, Muslims, Chinese, Black whatever, people do not deserve to be treated like that! Exterminated because of Victorian racial theory claptrap.

Man's darkest chapter, open the dictionary and evil shoud just have a picture of Birkenau.

And no i'm not Jewish. Did go out with one once.
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Discussion #366Talk Sense

26 Oct 2011 11:47:56
What does everyone think about these reptoids? im hearing more and more about them but think they're absurd. I mean, i love conspiracies, 9/11, roswell, etc. but this just seems like stupidity.

 

Hi Mate, read about the sumerian tablets or Zacheria Sitchin's book about the Annunaki. These are the reptoid's ni think you are referring to.
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Anunnaki are not reptiles and sitchen never said they were. This disinfo was put out out there to discredit the Anunnaki theory. They are basically like us as we were apparently made in their image if the Sumerians are to be believed.

Peace

Jay
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Discussion #365Talk Sense

26 Oct 2011 11:38:08
Read an article in the Sun yesterday about Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun staging their suicides and fleeing to Argentina. Anyone think this happened?

Mark67 {Ed033's Note - Apparently a Hitler double was killed in the bunker and the real Adolph Hitler was first taken to Spain then moved from Spain to Argentina where he allegedly had a daughter and died in the 1970s. Dr. Joseph P. Farrell started saying a short while ago that he was starting to believe that Hitler went to Argentina after ww2.}

 

Cheers Ed, sounds quite likely IMO. The evidence that he died seems a bit flawed to say the least, particularly the fact the bodies were burned. Good site by the way although It could mess your head up a bit.

Mark67 {Ed001's Note - hopefully one day we will be able to know for sure, sad that people can't trust the 'official' line as they lie to us so much. Someone like him should never have the chance to escape justice.}
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One of the first posts i read on here was about him escpaing to south america, colombia or venezuala i think disguised as a priest of all people. {Ed033's Note - I think Dr. Joseph P. Farrell said that allegedly Martin Bormann also escaped ww2 and sometime after ww2 walked into a swiss bank and tried to cash in a gold bond that was for more gold than supposedly exists and this is why it was questioned and not cashed in. This could lead onto that there maybe more gold about than officially exists which is known as black gold - cruinthe.tripod.com/nexus/articles/hammer1.html
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The Russians quickly removed and destroyed any remains to "prevent any kind of hero worship". Sound familiar. Think about Gadaffi, think about Hussain...
No, Hitler had too much information to be left alive.

Len
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Discussion #364Talk Sense

25 Oct 2011 22:58:05
Big news here. Nato prepares for global war

nsnbc.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/nato-prepares-global-war-russian-and-chinese-military-on-highest-alert/

Keep your eyes peeled.

Len

 

An interesting article but i doubt NATO would be foolish enough to antagonize Russia to the point of war, especially if China would side with them. Even with their foot hold in Afghanistan NATO and the US could not openly attack China. Personally i think the tipping point will be when the US turn their attention to North Korea, the Chinese would not allow them to have troops there, expect the propaganda against the Russians increase stirring up thoughts of the cold war. This is after they've got Iran under control. The only piece that doesn't fit is Uganda why send troops there.

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The real question to me has always been if they are mad enough to go to war in the future , who could take it and come out the winners , theres only one - china , i remember years and years ago they had built vast underground cites , and who can put the most boots on the ground - again china vastly outnumbering anyone , so what i am saying is dont go to war with them , it makes you wonder why the usa has 100s of underground sites and are building more and more , plus who really knows what the space war would be like as they all have high tec that most people dont even know exits , but if you go back to the 1950s a top usa general said the next big war will be fought in space , as well as the ground , interesting...........lfc
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Discussion #363Talk Sense

25 Oct 2011 22:37:41
Anyone have any ideas on the Georgia Guidestones.
Regards bep kororoti

 

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