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Discussion #326Talk Sense

18 Oct 2011 01:13:09
Good to see our brothers and sisters across the globe are standing together against all of our corrupt governments and corporate greed.

Peace and power to them!

Jay

Glasgow

 

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Discussion #325Talk Sense

17 Oct 2011 15:25:31
heres a interesting one- we are really the fallen angles put into human bodies on this - prision planet ,to choose good or evil , when you think about it if we came from a creator and are really spirt- form whatever that is , then we are entrnal , lets be honset we dont know where we came from , how old the earth etc is , some people think we came about with no god or the like , yet the very nature of everything tells us theres intellingent engineering behind it, has anybody got a damm clue..........lfc

 

Sounds very much like the Cathars....
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Very interesting...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism {Ed001's Note - I have read a lot about the Cathars, they fascinate me.}
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Indeed Ed001, very interesting bunch, some good ideas on the religion although i wouldnl't fancy being a perfecti.

There is some right guff written on them though, like all the linking with the grail legend. {Ed001's Note - I don't know enough about the link to know if there is any truth in it or not, but their duallistic beliefs are very similar to the ones that the Templars were accused of having.}
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True and they were around at the same time, in a similar geographic area but i think its just co-incidence, maybe one influenced the other.

The idea's go back to the early years of the church and got stamped out once. Like any idea someone thought it again. The cathars were heavily influenced by the bogomils of bulgaria.

Who knows, maybe the idea will become popular again.
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Discussion #324Talk Sense

17 Oct 2011 10:35:10
i am a football fan and i'm trying to connect illuminati thing with it.
No, if illuminati s are the real deal and do run the big things around the world then wwhy can't they have influence on football.
Look at barcelona,( apologies to barca fan)'
They are in lot of debt' yet they can have almost all of spain national team, then messi and then can have losses incurred in transfers like with ibrahmobich (spelling) and yet pay for villa last season , sanchez this season . That is unusual money or so i think. And also looking at unusual amount of favours they get from refs time after time makes me wonder someone big is behind them.
It may be all silly but makes me wonder,hmmmm....
U.P.

 

I think you have got it the wrong way around , real are backed by the spanish govement and always have been , with barca - they are just overspending , but both these clubs are huge worldwide , but its real who get the special treament money wise and barca i have to say have had some refs , not a lot - remember chesksi , help them i think.........lfc
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I would agree with you on that one lfc for sure, Barca are the European Manutd in terms of referees. Remember RVP last year? Barca had to go through. Trouble with football is you cannot control the players no matter who you are so they have probably left it - but the adverts you watch when you're watching football...well that's another story.
Raz
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I guess the Patriots would be ran by the illuminati. Their in a CFR strong hold and you cant hit Brady
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Discussion #323Talk Sense

17 Oct 2011 07:52:20
God or the devil kill no one , people & nature kill people.

 

Putting aside the lack of evidence for the existence of either, the Bible says otherwise.
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So why believe the bible, Religion was invented by man therefore the bible was invented, It holds no value for anyone's belief unless your a diehard christian
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Discussion #322Talk Sense

17 Oct 2011 04:53:43
Anybody read a book called 'Black oil / Red blood' by Diane Castle - Interesting stuff.... HERBIE

 

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Discussion #321Talk Sense

17 Oct 2011 00:39:43
R.I.P DAN WHELDON dies in a sport he loved always the good guys this happens to where is this so called 'GOD'who is meant to look after people

 

Everyone dies get over it

Irish Red
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Agreed, RIP Dan. Great loss to motorsport. Personally a petrol head, its sad to see this. Crashes are part of the spectical, but you never want to see a driver/rider harmed let alone die. I wont be as crude as Irish Red, but one thing is certain in life......

Nice to see you're empathic Irish Red..or not!

Paragon
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A bit callous Irish Red.

As someone one said 1 death is a tragedy
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Sorry i didnt mean it like.Sorry for the statement and im sorry for his family but at the end of the day people will die because of car accidents and all that so you can't blame god

Irish Red
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It is sad that a man died in a horrible accident but i agree with Irish Red, soldiers die, babies in their sleep die but as their not famous people dont worry about them as they do a star but at the end of the day As we are born we are already dying it's just a matter of time no matter how horrible it is

RIP
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Discussion #320Talk Sense

16 Oct 2011 10:34:08
what do people think of the whole Bin laden thing? . . was he really captured? is he still alive? did he ever even exist? why can we not be given any real evidence of his capture? . . . and what of the special forces soldiers who carried out the operation that were all killed? after their helicopter was apparently shot down by Afghan rebels? this happened shortly after the original capture! coincidence? it just means that now the only people in the world who could possibly know what happened during the raid other than the USA government are now dead. or if that raid even took place! I mean that whole story right there could be a lie!

s.c

 

4 theories then.

1. What happened was true and he was tracked to Pakistan and killed.

2. He was tracked to pakistan, captured, with a fake kill notice, and since been interrogated and disposed of.

3. He was a cia operative who needed to be retrieved and debriefed so they could get his intell.

4. He actually died years ago and this was covered up. {Ed033's Note - I say Number 4 but I think he was a CIA asset called Tim Osman as well. Lower down at 11 Oct 2011 11:40:41 on this page currently is more on this subject.}
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Hi Ed033, i copied and posted from lower down, didn't want to type the whole thing out again.

I think there are good cases that can be made for all of them.

If your Tim Osman theory is correct then that opens up whole new possibilities as well, it could be a combo of 3 and 4.

As in he was a double agent but has been dead for years.

In which case was it natural causes?

An accident?

Or was he uncovered and bumped off by AQ and thats why they never admitted he was dead? Imagine their shock? {Ed033's Note - How about this. Osama Bin Laden was in a Dubai hospital with kidney trouble in July of 2001 and according to the media such as the Guardian, A CIA officer allegedly met with Bin Laden but did not arrest him even though at the time, Bin Laden was wanted for the bombing of an American base in the middle east. I suggest that they couldn't arrest Osama Bin Laden in July of 2001 because they wanted to blame 9/11 on him later on in September - link to Guardian story - www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/01/afghanistan.terrorism
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Ok quick search for Tim Osman

whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/binladen_cia.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Osman

whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bin_laden_osman.html
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Maybe Ed, or maybe they offered him sort of deal, they'd let him off on his previous crimes, if they did something for him? Maybe they were running him all along? Maybe this had been planned for years, they just needed time to build up a suitable villain? So they recruit OBL, train him, let him o his thing in Afghan with the Russkies, and then they have him for future use. Let him go and do some small stuff and build up the threat gradually so that thne bang they can use him as the prime suspect for an extravaganza? {Ed033's Note - According to Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, Osama Bin Laden died In 2001 from Marfan Syndrome.}
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Maybe so but thats only really provable with the body.

Do you think then that the yanks planned this years back?

That they set up OBL to be some sort of fall guy?

Let him carry out numerous attacks to build him up as a threat and then as they knew he was dying and couldn't really repsond pinned everything on him?

Even if he did protest no-one would believe him, of course he'd deny it.

And the fanatics around him weren't that bothered, it looked like a victory for them, they could use it to recruit more to their cause. And when it kicked off in Afghan and Iraq well it just suited them anyway.

Damn thats some sick s**t Ed! {Ed033's Note - very good documentary series to watch on this topic is The Power of Nightmares - www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOlwbaPe2os&list=PL917E5DD3D56CAE8D&feature=plpp
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Discussion #319Talk Sense

15 Oct 2011 23:59:55
ok ed thats fair enough. As i said on my original post in conversation with paragon i wasn't sure on it if i'd heard right. Which is why i posted it. To ask other peoples opinion. I just don't get the point of coming on a conspiracy website if your just going to dismiss everything and call everyone nutters. After all there's just too much unexplained odd stuff never mind conspiracies. {Ed001's Note - he comes on to give his viewpoint, though he reminds me of my mother, she once dismissed all conspiracies as the preserve of nutters. The same woman believes the death of Marilyn Monroe is a murder that was covered up, which would be a conspiracy I think! I am sure there are some conspiracies he does believe in, even if he wouldn't think of them as conspiracies.}

 

The problem is when the word 'conspiracy' has the meaning of 'unbelievable' attached to it. My mum is sadly the same btw Ed, to the point where I'm almost disgusted. I asked her what she thought about Bin Laden the other day, the thing that worried me the most was her blatant lack of care. She didn't want to know, didn't want tot talk about it, doesn't want me thinking about it, all that sh*t, it's very worrying. My mum's mental, she's not like most mum's she's deffo one or two sandwiches short of a picnic, and I was really taken aback by her kind of annoyance that I would consider conspiracies.
She is the same person who attaches great meaning to the death celebrities and goes on and on about them though... weird. E.g. MJ's death.
Raz {Ed033's Note - We all think differently.}
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Discussion #318Talk Sense

15 Oct 2011 23:37:14
hey ed001 just reading you and chris from tamworth. I'm the one who posted up the reverse speech video's of obama. Now i understand that its some crazy stuff that not everyone will appreciate but thats cool. I'm not sure that i even understand it lol. But thats the whole point of this place to post up the unexplained and seek answers and opinions and share knowledge and increase everyone elses knowledge and understanding. Something our tamworthian friend doesn't seem to appreciate. Now i've seen some right crazy stuff on here over the weeks but i'm not dismissing anything i don't understand. Not sure friend chris understands the point of the site. Lastly ed i understand you don't think much to reverse speec any comments? {Ed001's Note - I think that's unfair on Chris, he has a differing point of view, it is just his method of expressing it that has been the problem, not his viewpoint. Personally I think that a lot of the reverse speech stuff is due to the power of suggestion, because you are told something is there you find it. The rest I believe is probably more likely to be some kind of coincidence, rather than an intentional unconscious or conscious sound.}

 

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Discussion #317Talk Sense

15 Oct 2011 23:11:47
And another thing I'm sure on the subject of the played backwards stuff didn't I only give an explanation of why it sounded as it did? I'm not having digs I'm actually stating my opinion. As for my comment about ed033 earlier that wasn't a dig either but again my genuine opinion. Are my opinions the only ones that aren't valid despite the fact you keep insisting I should respect everybody elses opinion? Hypocrisy of the highest level and possibly a conspiracy!!

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - nope, I didn't see your previous post, I replied to the one I saw. As for your reply to the playing backwards post, it started off asking if everyone was gullible, stupid or insane, or words to that effect. I have no problem with your opinion whatsoever, in a number of cases I agree that there is probably little in it. The problem is that you express your opinion coached in insults and jibes at others' intelligence and sanity. For example, I have known Ed033 since I was about 15, I know he is very intelligent, not sure how you could possibly judge sanity, but we often disagree on these conspiracies. He spends far more time than me reading about them and watching videos and listening to interviews, so it could simply be that I am just ignorant of the facts. Being that as it is, I prefer to ask him for his views and then suggest alternative explanations for it and see if that can match the details or not. Rather than just dismissing him as a nutter, I have found he is very lucid and will often leave me questioning my point of view, even if he doesn't always alter it.}

 

That's a fair comment Ed and a valid argument maybe it is just me being small minded or not willing to accept the unusual but I genuinely believe that some people regardless of their intelligence suffer from a lack of common sense. I genuinely apologise for sometimes sounding like I'm talking down to people but it's just what I believe that most of this talk is just ridiculous nonsense and want to be allowed to say so. The most disappointing thing is that if I'm wrong I could one day be proved wrong but I can never be proved right so it's a lonely place for me on this site

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - I am very happy for you to play devil's advocate, in fact it would be great to get the opposing viewpoint, but just please try and remember that people aren't insane or stupid etc just because their beliefs differ. We all view things from a different angle, even eyewitness reports of an incident can differ widely.}
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Discussion #316Talk Sense

15 Oct 2011 22:53:56
Ed033 I asked nicely if my posts were going to go up or not as I suggested I only wanted you to show some common decency and tell me straight. Any chance of a reply?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - I have deleted a number of your usual digs, no common decency shown by you towards others, but now you are calling for it to be shown to yourself. Perhaps if you could just disagree with a comment, rather than making a nasty little dig about it, you might get some stuff posted. For instance the recordings played backwards, I don't think there is anything in it, but I am not having a go at people for asking if there is something in it. Remember people laughed at those saying the Earth revolved around the Sun, only an idiot dismisses anything out of hand.}

 

Are you telling me that nobody ever says anything that can be considered ridiculous or moronic?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - nope, it can be considered it, but why call people it? That just causes abusive replies. Why can't you just point out why you disagree with something, why do you feel the need to insult people for having that belief? It makes far more sense to explain your reasoning and give them a chance to learn from your thinking.}
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Discussion #315Talk Sense

15 Oct 2011 11:54:16
Skin Crawlers -

Real? Fake?

My opinion is that something is going on down in Utah, Military guarding a small ranch in the middle of nowhere? which you're unable to gain access too?

ED's, Regulars, Etc. opinions? beliefs? etc.

The Moon. {Ed033's Note - I think you mean Skinwalker not Skin Crawler. It is extremely strange. Here is a Coast 2 Coast AM interview with 2 guys who wrote a book about it and stayed at the Skinwalker ranch attempting to do scientific research on the strange phenomena there - www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q1UQIQ5kWA

 

Oops! my bad ed! haha. I'll give that a watch after the football!

What is your personal view? do they exist?

The Moon. {Ed033's Note - My take is that there is a portal near the skinwalker ranch through which a shape-shifting entity came through to Earth from somewhere else that likes attacking animals but won't attack people. Some researchers stayed at the ranch to not only study the phenomena but to capture the entity that was attacking the animals.}
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You mean like the thing?
huddz red {Ed033's Note - I don't know because no one knows what this entity is. If you are interested you could either listen to the interview on youtube with link above or read the book, "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by Colm A. Kelleher and George Knapp.}
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