Talk Sense

25 Sep 2011 21:27:47
The conspiracy in wwe continues, the miz an r truth av been sacked. Guys wot is going on? Enough wiv the chat about the moon landings an let's get to the bottom of this very real conspiracy, keeping heros from reaching the top. Is it the goverment behind this or somebody even higher? Is god( robbie fowler) behind the miz conspiracy!

Cm sucks

25 Sep 2011 17:21:45
Right just thought i'd throw a few bits and pieces in about Greece and the EU.

"An uncontrolled default or exit of Greece from the eurozone would cause enormous economic and social damage, not only to Greece but to the European Union as a whole, and have serious spillovers to the world economy," Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn

bbc.co.uk/news/business-14977728

bbc.co.uk/news/business-14934728

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14934430

bbc.co.uk/news/business-14972015

bbc.co.uk/news/business-13798000

Hopefully this helps to understand the economic issues.


I alos noticed that lfc alluded to the EU as being another go at the Nazi's plan. He is largely correct. However the concept dates back to WW1. The Nazi's just took it further and added genocide to it.

The Mitteleuropa plan was to achieve an economic and cultural hegemony over Central Europe by the German Empire[4][5] and subsequent economic & financial exploitation[6][7]of this region combined with direct annexations[6], settlement of German colonists,expulsion of non-Germans from annexed areas, and eventual Germanization of puppet states created as a buffer between Germany and Russia. The issue of Central Europe was taken by German thinker Friedrich Naumann in 1915 in his work Mitteleuropa. According to his thought, this part of Europe was to become a politically and economically integrated block subjected to German rule. In his program, Naumann also supported programs of Germanization and Hungarization as well.[8] Naumann in his book used imperialist rhetoric combined with praises to nature, and imperial condescension towards non-German people, while advising to show some "flexbility" towards non-German languages to achieve "harmony"[9]Neuman wrote that it would stabilize the whole Central Europe region. See[10] Some parts of the planning included designs on creating a German colony in Crimea and colonization of the Baltic states.[11]

The ruling political elites of Germany accepted the Mitteleuropa plan during World War I while drawing out German war aims and plans for the new order of Europe.[8] Mitteleuropa was to be created by establishing a series of puppet states whose political, economic and military aspects would be under the control of the German Reich.[12] The entire region was to serve as an economic backyard of Germany whose exploitation would enable it to compete with the British Empire and any other competitors for the position of the world's dominant power.[12] Political, military and economic organization was to be based on German domination[13], with commercial treaties imposed on countries like Poland and Ukraine. It was believed that the German working classes could be appeased by German politicians through the economic benefits of territorial annexation, settlement of Germans in Central and Eastern Europe and exploitation of conquered countries for the material benefit of Germany.[14]

Partial realization of these plans was reflected in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, where guarantees of economic and military domination over Ukraine by Germany were laid out.[15] Both Ottoman Empire and Austro-Hungary would become reliant on German support in post-war Europe,reducing them to the status of vassals[16]

The Mitteleuropa plan was viewed as threat by the British Empire, which concluded it would destroy British continental trade, and as consequence the source of its military

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitteleuropa

I'd also suggest looking at the terms of the German-Russian peace treaty in 1917, the treaty of Brest-Litovsk.

As we know the Germans tried again in the 40's.

Then comes Rome.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_rome

The advance towards a federal superpower...

Mort.

25 Sep 2011 02:16:25
Hi everyone, Ive always been into conspiracy theories, but never really told anyone. But now the Edds have mixed the footie with conspiracies. Fantastic!. I have been reading through some of the posts and a few of them are very interesting. For example the Moon landing. There has been lots of info out there saying that some or the astronauts were given hypnotherapy sessions, so they would remember the finer details of the actual landing. I have been told whilst being hypnotized the astronauts could not remember things that would be embedded deep in the mind. These would be the actual landing, the time of the landing, instruction received from NASA the goes on and on.

This had fascinated me to the point I started looking for more evidence. I came across something very very interesting. The American government was at the time doing tests on some of the Army. Some of this information was Declassified. In the declassed journals was a file on Human Mind Control. Thats all that was written saying some soldiers were subjected to methods that would effect short term memory and in some cases long term memory.

MKULTRA is what you need to search for. I can not be 100% sure that the testing was carried out around the same time. But its not that far off either.

So If the American government was in on this MKULTRA and it did effect the people the way they say it did. Whats to say they did just use the same techniques on the Astronauts.

PS MKULTRA or MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE
TReVoR {Ed033's Note - Edgar Mitchell did hypnotherapy twice and no memories were found. Also, Buzz Aldrin can't remember what he did on the moon either. There is more info about the book - Dark Mission. Here is an interview with Richard C. Hoagland about the memory loss of astronauts www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD-mk5rk_7E&feature=related

24 Sep 2011 21:37:32
Mike if you see this mate, look into Operation Northwoods. LFC may have mentioned it already but do check it out... it'll give you more info on exactly what the US government is prepared to do to be able to justify going to war on people.

Raz

24 Sep 2011 19:50:59
Ok.... I have a pretty black & white, sometimes idealistic view of the world. I dislike sales people for the same reason I dislike people who push a religion onto you and then say 'I'm not telling you what to believe' - because I want to think for myself, and because I want to like things without being told I like it by somebody else.

With this in mind, I have to say, my entire life I have always wondered how some things 'occur' - namely with AIDS amongst other things. I now here there is a conspiracy that AIDS was actually created.

Every single time I have tried to converse with someone on the issue of how the disease came to affect humans, I get the same BS remark that someone probably shagged a monkey.

I would be really interested to hear people's thoughts on this. It's a dark subject but aren't they all?

Raz

24 Sep 2011 17:48:45
hi raz i'm sure someone will correct me but the greek debt is massive and will end in a default unless someone magically comes up with the money. A lot of this is held by the germans and french and would weaken them. It could create a domino effect in the other mediterranean economies. If they all start sliding the euro could collapse under the pressure as others try to secede from it and use market pressure. Its worst case scenario admittedly. Losing the single currency is a matter of prestige. As said the euro is the first stage of the nwo but i don't see why they'd collapse it to advance the project. Why not have it as a showcase to say to others look a single govt with a single currency works. As for our shadowy friends creeping out the woodwork with the money surely too many questions would be asked at some point. With a worldwide financial crisis no one supposedly has the money. Mort {Ed033's Note - It appears, the minions in the Euro parliament such as Jose Manuel Barroso, the President of the European Commission, think that they will continue with the Euro agenda no matter what - www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnH9cFA9Eks

24 Sep 2011 14:09:20
A new financial crisis is looming

The markets have lost 13% over the last few days and its feared a 1930's style depression could be upon us if the "right" decisions are not made in Berlin?

Isn't it funny how so few unknown people "the markets" can have so much influence over the lives of so many other billions of people!


Instead of looking for Aliens and monsters in the cupboard would'nt it be better to understand who controls the strings of the world you live in?

Many of you reading this may lose your jobs, your home, your pension, your savings etc. because of some nameless and faceless people why are these people less scary than aliens?


It it thet the aliens provide an escape from what is really going on and its too distressing to find out more about the physical plane?

Now I am not criticizing anyone or judging anyone just asking questions there are some overly sensitive souls here and I wouldn't want to thread on their fragile mental make up?

Should this not be the main topic at this particular time on a conspiracy forum?

Remember I am just asking question?

He who knows {Ed033's Note - My opinion, the bankers got themselves into 2 quadrillion dollars in debt through gambling, which is more than the people of the world can pay so it's a depression we are in and no way out for the people because the bankers run the governments.}

24 Sep 2011 08:35:44
Im ny humble opinion, I do not believe that 9/11 was a government act or that they had anything to do with the falling of the twin towers. I just cannot imagine the U.S government etc..giving the go ahead to this kind of act. My belief is that it was an act of terrorism which could have been prevented with better security checks at U.S airports. The towers falling I believe happened because 2 giant airplanes flew into the buildings. The sheer weight of the floors above the impact zones and loss of support beams/structure crashing down along with weakened structural damage due to fire,fuel, weight etc must of been huge. That is why they did not topple and just dropped straight. A controlled explosion of that magnitude to bring the towers down would have seen the building materials travel miles not just around a short vacinity. Also the cost of the clean up operation, Re building/structuring of buildings around the site to,the war in the middle East would have been huge and not worth it. Also the chances of being found out would never have been worth it. But.. the peril of United 93, I do not understand how anyone can know what really went on onboard that flight and also why there was nothing in the air to stop the plane heading to the capital of the US which they knew was hijacked and they had already seen the devestation caused to New York. Security was unbeliveably lax.
Mike

23 Sep 2011 20:39:53
hi eds..


do you mind me asking of all these new sites you guys created which is the most busy site?


Nz {Ed001's Note - this one, the videogames and wrestling sites are all pretty much of a muchness at the moment.}

23 Sep 2011 18:44:21
Just wondering if anyone else had heard that when scientists ( not sure who ) fired sound at the moon it resonated around on the inside pointing to it being mostly hollow?

MJ

23 Sep 2011 17:17:16
He who knows:

I made my point pretty clear, I really am not sure what you could have added. I am not defending Ed's actions by not posting your response but if it wasn't wise then it isn't surprising it didn't make it.

We are happy to talk political conspiracies. We we aren't happy to do is field the kind of knobhead comments like yours that put us down before you and I have even shared a discussion. Talk about how to lose friends and alienate people.

If you want to raise a topic, just do it. Don't come on here, insult us all, imply we cannot prioritise, passing judgement on us, without first attempting to raise a topic, which in turn would have proven whether or not you are correct in your assumptions. i was taught when I was very young not to make assumption. You came on here and did exactly that. Of person of your 'calibre' should surely understand that. Also consider the nature of your political conspiracies - because politics can be very very tedious for forums such as this. I would like to hear what you wanted to talk about anyway but even if you disagree with an Ed you should know who to insult and who to respect.

Raz

23 Sep 2011 16:50:06
about the moon landings- i dont know either way if man was on the moon , but one thing i find strange is a lot of these astronauts cant remember about being on the moon, indeed one went under hypnotherapy and was told the reason he could not recall anything was - he was never on the moon, which is amazing if true.........lfc