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You are evading actually providing any facts to support your ridiculous answers. No the government hasnt borrowed from the uk banks and you can check my 'facts' on who te government debt is to at any official websites. You can also look at bank financial accounts. However, in line with most of the 'true facts' on here, I imagine you will tell me that all the official facts are in fact lies made up by the reptilians tha really rule the secret government! I welcome a true debate on this issue but constantly replying I am talking rubbish but providing no evidence for your facts is just childish. You may not want to agree with what I said, but the information is in the public domain. Please direct me to your evidence that the government debt is to uk banks and could simply be written off? {Ed001's Note - I never said that, what the hell are you talking about? Read what I said again, maybe slowly so that you can digest and understand it. I said that any debts not to banks can be easily paid off with an issue of extra currency, the exact same plan that JFK had, right before they bumped him off.}

But if MJ faked his death aint tht no caring bout your fans to

As I am clueless perhaps you could explain where you get your facts from? Particularly that nationalising the banks woud save the government debt as it is owed to the banks? Over 40% of government debt is owed to foreign investors, about 30% from uk investors and the rest mainly via the bank of england. The uk investors are mainly pension funds or building societies who buy gilts used to pay pension funds and savers decent rates.

And yes, you may not wish to call banks successfull because you don't like them but ultimately they make large profits and we all need to remember that the banks greed was shared by most of us and our constant borrowing to fund unrealistic lifestyles. The banks didn't force people to borrow the money's they couldn't afford to repay. I agree they shouldn't have sold many of the accompanying products and should have asked people more questions but you can't blame them for everything. {Ed001's Note - you can blame them, they quite clearly had a business model designed to fail, so yes I can blame them for everything. People borrowing beyond their means had nothing to do with the collapse, in fact it is what staved off the collapse for such a long time. Your talk of the govt debt is rubbish, sorry but the debt can be simply paid off, as JFK was going to in the US, with a currency issue. Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you really this stupid? Standing up for the very institutions that caused this mess while trying to blame others!}

Thanks a ton ed!

It's called "finding bigfoot".

IMO bigfoot does exist, i watch all the cryptozoology videos and everywhere in the world they go the locals who live in the remote areas seem to describe the same thing, from russia to america to asia.
also watch lloyd pyes human origins video, he gives a good theory on bigfoot/yeti/orang pendek.

JK92

I'm interested in how some can call a bank successful when it nearly brings the whole financial systems of the world to the point of collapse. How is that classed as a success?
For too long now we have been at the beck and call of interest rates, credit scoring, and the banks gambling our money on risky ventures only for the tax paying public to have to bail them out. This is the reason why we have 20% VAT instead of 17.5%. The try and recoup some of the revenue coffers that were used to bail out the idiots in the banking sector who majorly cocked it up. While we as a country continue to fund the scrougers, work-shy and immigrants on the look out for a freebie, the tax situation will not change, whatever guise it is in, but the banks incompetance has made this 10 times worse.
I pay my income tax, my VAT, my Fuel and Vehicle Excise duty, my IPT on insurance & my National Insurance. Don't we think that it's about time we asked for it to stop? The more money we, as consumers, have, the more likely we are to spend it on goods and services in this country, thus helping the economy as a whole recover from the recession caused by the FAILURES in the banking crisis. Here's a thought, instead of making one person a multi-millionaire in the Lotto or Euro-Millions, why not make multiple people millionaires in a game similar to the EuroMillions raffle, and put some money back in deserving peoples' pockets.
Khakipillowslip {Ed001's Note - the guy above is clearly clueless. He has no idea of how much money that the government owes to banks, the money that is causing the country to be in debt. Take over the banks and remove those debts and the country would be in a much better state, it is not about the profits, but the money saved. Banks are far from successful and it was them, and a lack of regulation, that caused the collapse. Only someone completely ignorant of the facts could possibly believe regulation caused any of the problems. He has also massively missed the point on taxing money moving abroad, it is about getting something for this country from those foreign workers, who otherwise pay little in tax, spend next to nothing in the shops and send all their money back home. Plus the huge amounts of money that global corporations move out of the country into tax havens would no longer be free of tax. Someone is just talking out of their backside, with no knowledge of any of the facts on this matter. As for land ownership, no one would be stopping them investing in the buildings, I am talking about the land being rented out, so your point is completely irrelevant and nonsense. No wonder the person above works in finance, they have no idea about financial matters whatsoever!}

Who cares about him, he obviously didn't care about the fans enough to just turn his back on them and fake his death..

id rather see queen or MJ return.

There is a lot of evidence to fuel the debate about the fake moon landings, the best evidence Ive seen to throw doubt over it was the pictures of the moon-buggy, as the dust gets kicked out from under the tyres it falls down just like you would see all the time, if it were on the moon it would carry on rising up due to it being just dust with apparently very little gravity apart from the earths gravitational pull. Have you seen the lunar rover ? $38 million and it looks like I could have made a better job with a Tesco trolly and some tin foil.

Matt_RFC

{Ed033's Note - Exactly. Also, astronauts certainly wouldn't be moving about at half speed. If anything they would be moving slightly quicker.

{Ed033's Note - 6 minute silver solution

I don't see how any of those suggested alternatives to tax are realistic. I am in the finance industry, a bank manager in fact. I do not earn big money or bonuses and have little regard for my employers due to the way we are now treated. However, the total bank profits would not finance hardly anything. Total profits of under £20 billion old not get far and anyway much of this has to be retained in balance sheets to meet tier 1 credit policy for Europe. An nationalising the banks would be a disaster. Whatever you think of banks they are successful, would you trust politicians with more of your money? It was their policies and mid regulation that caused the banking crisis in the first place. Also, the dividends from bank shares fund most of the publics future pensions, so what would happen there? As far as stopping money go abroad. This may raise some tax, but then if u don't believe working people should pay tax then those people sending monies abroad to avoid it wouldnt pay any here anyway under that policy! As far as land ownership, you forget the investment these companies have made in buildings and infrastructure and the jobs they create. Anyway none of these suggestions would raise anywhere near sufficient to avoid personal tax. Our total deficit is over 1 trillion pounds.

There's also an abundance of Helium 3(energy source) and allegedly structures on the moon.
As for the Helium 3, this has been superseded by other energy sources(zero point energy and the like).
Regards to the film made by Kubrick it was then leaked by the American government about the moon landing being hoax. Reason being it debunks conspiracy theorists such as ourselves because the masses want to believe that thoses moon landings were real.
NoneTheWiser

Or maybe the chemtrails are taking effect, just saying lol

clt

Mmm interesting ed i like what you state.Unfotunatley it is the s**t we are used to until then taxed we will be..

red blancmonge

By the way i do see the real world i cycle around the poxy hole to and from work!!PS also trying to save a little bit of our world as i go on..

red blancmonge

Nobody likes paying any kind of tax but how do you propose the country would work without them? We are already running a massive deficit with the taxes we collect now! I have to say having just found this site, I find it good fun but mostly completely ridiculous. People on here just believe anyone who can twist or explain facts to support their own argument and anyone who disbelieves them is shot down. Generally the retort is to watch a certain video as it must be true, because they wouldn't lie or manipulate facts apparently like the real media does! I enjoy the posts guys but please you really do need to get away from your pcs and outside to see the real world! {Ed001's Note - it is easy to run a country without taxing the people who work. For starters, you can tax all money moved out of the country, for whatever reason, which would stop those tax havens being of such use to British natives. Secondly, you can nationalise things such as banks and use the profits mate to run the country. Why can't the nation itself own all land and rent it out? Why should companies and big landholders be allowed to own huge swathes of it? There are 3 very simple methods to make money for the government to use.}

I work for my childrens welfare and also because it good for "a mans well being" i pay taxe's which i hate but..I also own a car have to pay excise which i hate,sick of all the spongers which give this goverment a reason to tax the worker ie state welfare for loose annie and her piss head hubby and seven kids.but i try to offset my own costs by cycling to and from work or whatever.

red blancmonge

While some dodge work others find it difficult to even get started in a job we shouldnt be categorized
Jedimindtricks

Why give the suckers a break? Besides if they are that bothered they'd track you down anyway. Tax is pernicious Tax income tax was supposed to be temporary measure to raise funds to fight the war. Only the war was the one against Bonaparte and they realised they were onto too much of a winner so it became permanent. Taxing what one man has earned from their own hard work is nothing more than thievery disguised as good governance.

At the very least do something usual with the money rather than squandering it. Free dentistry would be a start rather than keeping dwellers in comfort watching jeremy kyle on their 50" plasma's chain smoking marlboro's and necking stella whilst they have some excuse for dodging work.

I love the way this thread has been mainly about tax an not one post has a name next to including one I posted, I'd be surprised if even the tax man comes on this site, but you never know.

Su**sub

Nostradamus predicted that a massive Earthquake would hit Spain on the same date. Thousands of Spanish people fled / left the country based on this prediction. Only the quake did not hit Spain, but Italy. Spooky coincidence or did Nostradamus just see what he believed was Spain?