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Reply · · 09 Dec 2011 22:07
Im good for that bet as well, onto a winner.

JWalk
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Reply · · 09 Dec 2011 17:55
Put me down for a tenner on Syria, i'm good for it.
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Reply · · 09 Dec 2011 17:55
I find it a bit odd. I mean most Arab people have been repressed for generations, they finally get tired of it and want to oust the dictators and its some massive conspiracy?

Would you have said the same thing in 1989?

I'm not saying that we haven't had a shady hand in things somewhere along the way.

But what i have of Egypt and Syria is a repressed people crying out for freedom. Should they be denied?
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Reply · · 09 Dec 2011 17:24
{Ed033's Note - Allegedly they want to get regime change in Syria first.}
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Reply · · 09 Dec 2011 16:10
This is normal weather for the Scotland. Ha
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Reply · · 09 Dec 2011 13:13
I am his child, he dwells in me in his fullness. God loves you too and He can't wait for you to grasp it! He wants you to have eternal life (join him after your journey comes to an end on the earth). Its simple: by simply believing in your heart that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that he died for your sins and was raised by God to life and declaring with your mouth that Jesus Christ is the Lord of your life - you become a child of God instantly (destined for eternal life after death) and living a life of victories and success on the earth. Try it and your life will never be the same again. God is faithfull and trustworthy - way more than anything on this earth. {Ed001's Note - right, well imaginary beings tend to be what you want!}
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Reply · · 09 Dec 2011 11:58
Good work Pmac, though i am suprised at the level of shock from people. The real up-risings in the western-backed arab countries were ignored by the our goverments and media, while banging on about mad dog gaddafi. Surely now everyone can see that Syria and Iran are the next victims. We have a Facist under-belly running the west and have had for sometime. JR
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 23:05
Its all about money , carbon tax etc , lie, lie lies , people need to wake up...........lfc
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 21:13
I think the question about who the illuminati are is asked at the 19 minute mark
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 21:05
{Ed033's Note - Piers Corbyn on global cooling

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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 19:55
Please dont tell me ive got to watch all of it ? :p
EVERTONIAN96
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 19:50
Thank you i look forward to viewing the video :)

evertonian96
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 18:44
Cheese ! it was really in demand at the time.

Mr Roller Coaster
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 18:35
Well to be fair they crossed the Atlantic first.

O Alf had some stories, horrible place to be. Freeze to death in seconds, banned from smoking, had to wrap up. Guys losing skin from touching exposed metal.

Of course we did this just for a giggle, cos the Russians never accepted any help... {Ed001's Note - exactly, was just a holiday cruise really......}
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 18:22
Me again sorry Ed, i brought up the Arctic convoys cos my Great Uncle Alf served on a couple of those and the old boy said it was awful. He never used to wear a coat in winter just walk about in shirt and tie, when asked he said i survived those bloody convoys, english winter is a picnic! {Ed001's Note - I just realised I said Atlantic didn't I earlier? I meant Arctic! Silly mistake to make that, d'oh! They were said to be the worst places to be, an absolute nightmare.}
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 18:09
There were 78 convoys between August 1941 and May 1945

About 1400 merchant ships delivered vital supplies to the Soviet Union under the Lend-Lease program, escorted by ships of the Royal Navy, Royal Canadian Navy, and the U.S. Navy. Eighty-five merchant vessels and 16 Royal Navy warships (two cruisers, six destroyers, eight other escort ships) were lost.

These convoys enabled Russia to keep going whilst they rebuilt all their heavy industry in Siberia.



"I can't imagine the yanks supplying the russians with anything."

Well they did. It was a team effort. Stop being anti american. Briatin was at one point 6 weeks away from starvation so the yank supplies kept us going never mind the Russians.

The russians wanted to buy SAAB and/or Opel a few years back both american owned the sale of either company was blocked to the russians.

Do you stilll think america supplied them with Radio's?"

I fail to see the relevance of something from 60-65 years later. And yes they and us supplied them with food, radio's ammo. trucks etc allowing them to focus on tank production.

"Also most of the technology america has such as HARRP and Remote Viewing were stolen from Russia, your source of information mate is not good."

Really, i'd worry about that paranoia. Also i think your source of information is even worse. Your really saying that EVERY SINGLE book on the war, and there have been a lot are wrong? O well maybe i'd better phone up Kershaw and Bullock and the rest and tell them to retire.

"Russian tanks were no match for the german tanks it was the russians bravery (or stupidity depending on your viewpoint) & weather that drove the germans out of russia then the Russians hunted the Nazis down building by building in hand to hand combat."

You've never heard of the Battle of Kursk? Prokhorovka?

The Germans noted a fundamental flaw in their armored vehicles, particularly the Elefant. Although excellent against any Soviet tank at long to medium range, they lacked secondary armament and were vulnerable to attacks from Soviet slit trenches, once they were separated from the heavy machine gun protection of the lighter tanks, vehicles and infantry.

"What use would a radio have been to the russian tanks since their tanks could not take a shell from the German tanks without being destroyed? "

As i said in my original post if you had bothered to read it, radio'#s allowed soviet tank regiment commanders to better co-ordinate with their squadron commnaders and them to organise their tanks much better, they became more effective units.

Also the t34 was a very good tank, i've read interviews with crew from panzer 4's where they say their shells were just bouncing off unless they were at close range. Thats why they rushed up the Tiger, Panther and Elephant designs.

I know this is from wikipedia but i'm in a hurry and the further eading may help.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 18:06
I worked and lived in Libya for five years from 2002 to 2007 and yes a number of these policies were government driven although to say they were available for all Libyans is not true. If you were from the correct tribe you were looked after and the further east you travel i.e towards Benghazi, these policies were none existent....fact. He was not well like east of Sirte. It is true to say that he had no weapons of mass destruction that was propoganda on the part of the West. I was working on the runway for the main military base in Sirte when Blair visited prior to the supposed decomissioning. It was clearly a deal to get Gaddafi in with the West and get BP back into oil exploration in Libya.
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Reply · · 08 Dec 2011 17:58
This war was nothing to do with freedom for libyan people,regime change was wanted mainly by the west,gadaffi knew too much about all of them,the western media are a disgrace for their totally biased reporting,with racism never off the tv,i found it strange our media was more interested in what john terry was meant to have said to ferdinand than actually reporting about the mass slaughter of black people in libya by the so called rebels who our country shamefully bombed,armed,trained and fought on behalf off.NATO claimed to protect civilians yet killed and helped kill thousands,totally disgusted in the role we played.
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