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I have to admit I am not any wing. I hate the terms left and right wing, especially seeing as apparently what was left wing 20 years ago is now right wing etc. I just say what I feel is right or wrong. Pigeon-holing between forms of one or the other only results in having to suffer the weaknesses of one and the absence of the other party.

How's about 'Good Wing' ? Haha.

Raz

Yeah but you pointed out my attitude was bad because I don't want to use facebook to impart knowledge I may have on various topics discussed on here. If you haven't said that then please re-explain. AT the end of the day there are conspiracy groups, chemtrals groups, and loads of other groups already on facebook. I am not part of a movement, I am learning for myself. I have no reason to use facebook for anything other than talking to my mates. I don't put my address on there, I don't put my jobs, hobbies, any of that up there, except bands, who I talk to, and you won't find me in the search listings. If I wanted to scream and shout about conspiracies and Illuminati etc I would probably a) want to do it anonymously, b) not until I was part of a movement, which I currently am not, and c) not somewhere that, sadly, potential employers scour. Not to mention, it isn't for that. That's just my take on your point, so just accept it mate. I am happy sharing info with anyone who ants to know, if I can help them, great, I chat to people on here, and I'm happy to do it elsewhere...just NOT facebook. Ok?!

Raz

It was just one of Andy Carroll's shots! Sorry, I had to ;-)

G.A.G.U.S
{Ed033's Note - new talk news site if you haven't seen - www.talk-news.co.uk

In the mordern game , maybe 433 is better , think i am on the wrong page here lol...........lfc

I never said the Pope was living in poverty, the Vatican's wealth is unimaginable to the normal man.What I said was the the normal choses to give his money to the RC church, he is not forced by law. My point is that nobody has any right to question or discard what another person truly believes in. It is up to the individual person, if they have a faith they are entitled to it, whether others agree is there choice, but nobody should be belittled for having a faith or religion. No matter to which God or deity. {Ed001's Note - try telling that to the people who live in the Vatican, who are forced to pay towards the upkeep of the Pope. I do agree though, people are entitled to decide for themselves whether to believe or not. Though your point about the upkeep of the CofE is just nonsense, nothing is stopping you emigrating to a country that doesn't pay them.}

To the nameless poster above....Who are you to question anybody's faith to whichever God the person has chosen. What I find alarming is your attitude to someone sticking up for what he/she truly believes. Whether he has went the right or wrong way is neither here nor there but you are in no position to question anybody's faith in their chosen religion. Your post is verging on religious intolerance, can you prove there is not God, Catholic or other wise? No you can not, and trying to belittle/browbeat people over their beliefs is as 'Nazi' as it comes. It is you who seems to be trying to force your views on people because of their faith or religion. If people choose to have faith in their religion what business is it of yours? The RC faith and the Vatican have done a lot more good in this country than the leader of the COE could ever imagine doing.The Pope has devoted his life to a faith he truly believes in while the head of the COE sits and takes taxpayers money to live in a lifestyle we can only imagine. Taxes are paid by law in the UK to keep the head of the COE in her palaces etc, we have no choice in paying their bills as tax payers. From the normal man in the street, the RC church is money we CHOOSE to give, not deemed by some law. You're attitude is shocking but not surprising as you clearly lack respect for other people's views. {Ed001's Note - so the Pope is living in poverty then? *rolls eyes*}

I have considered that michael jacksons death may also be fake. He owed alot of people a whole lot of money. Did they really think that a farewell tour of an ageing popstar would really make enough cash to pay all he owed?

He was in no fit state to carry out these gigs and lets face it you only got to look at elvis, freddie mercury, tu pac etc to realise that MJ would have earned infinately more money through "death".

Also considering some of the stunts he pulled off before if anyone could pull this off MJ could. At his peak he was larger than life, now could he be larger than death??

Ok edd will put it on youtube saturday then give you a e mail.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - cheers.}

Yeah i just saw the bit with JK Rowling and hiding letters in her kids school bag??

Well all they did was hire a private dectective to follow people, not too difficult. Then asked him what else he could do, like could he get into voicemail messages. Some journo probably saw too many movies like enemy of the state and of course the dodgy guy knew how to do it. {Ed001's Note - that is nothing mate, trust me that is the tip of the iceberg and just a tiny part of the things they were doing. It is more like the script of a James Bond film than just hiring a private dick.}

Cheers edd. frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - in the meantime, it might be worth posting to youtube and then posting the link here}

I think you'll find that is true of ALL religions.

Yeah, nice thought, thanks. {Ed001's Note - 007 will be getting excited now at that thought...}

I do agre it was a case of following the leader. But the fact that it seems like none of them have any integrity i wouldn't say that none of them would have done it first. {Ed001's Note - possibly, but I doubt any of the others would have known about those kind of espionage techniques that Murdoch uses.}

To be honest never rated her. {Ed001's Note - no, nor me, but at least it could be understandable if she was not 855 and even her face is sagging down by her ankles.}

True ed but it seems that its not just Murdoch though, that was the tip of the ice berg. they were almost certainly the wost for it, but it seems the rest were all at it as well. {Ed001's Note - none would have done it but for him, they were following his lead.}

As the other guy said, if we're wrong then all to the good. But IF we are right then god help you because we wont be able to.

Isn't that a mental problem though ED it like the people who prefer to date Obese people there is a condition that makes people choose that.. I get what your saying though Ed as i was only having a laugh

MJ {Ed001's Note - it can be hundreds of different reasons. I know someone who likes bigger women purely because one was really nice to him as a kid. He now associates them with being cared for I think. Everyone has different ideas of what they like though, I like a certain type of nose, I have no idea why, but a woman with the right type of nose gains at least two points on the out of 10 scale. Intelligence as well I love, which is why I have such a thing for that Alice Roberts woman who presents all sorts of science programs.}

Edoo1 some people are just nutters though. I mean animals....??

Agree with 007 though. {Ed001's Note - people are just weird, especially 007, he actually believes that Judy Finnigan is sexy! I mean how she is now, not 30 years ago when she was in her 40s on daytime telly.}

Couldnt honest tell you Adam mate, i have never taken part in one of those, however, my opinion would be that it's not BS due to my experiences with a Ouija Board, so if one works then the question would be why not the other?