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Yes ed i would agree with what Hapgood suggested, is the only real explanation so far so the shifts like Siberia, and so on having different temperatures in different periods.

Think the Old Testament saw the world as a flat circle lol
Where as the Romans saw it as 'Orbis Terarum' just look up any of the statues of Constantine the Great holding an Orb showing Romes Domination of the world,

Everything ed.
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Which company made the spray deoderants during the last ice age? The cfc levels must have been extremely high. Or did thinks just warm up on their own? {Ed001's Note - have you ever wondered if there really was an 'Ice Age'? After all, during the so called Ice Age, Siberia, which is one of the coldest parts of the world, was enjoying a period of tropical sunshine. That has never been explained, though Hapgood tried with his theory of how the earth's crust slipped round, which is also the best explanation I have seen for the Great Flood.}

Isaiah 40:22

22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Think it was believed long before the Romans arrived, lol.

Well said Ed033

Irish Red

I think I'm a Fascist but also want a revolution and to destroy opression. Hypocrite i know. I am a troubled soul.

A Soul
{Ed033's Note - If its any consolation, the ruling class want people to be confused. They obviously don't want people thinking clearly.}

Sorry ed but you've lost me? I'm confused?
{Ed033's Note - Which part are you confused about.

I never heard anything about it being round ! are you serious?

Puzzled
{Ed033's Note - It's more oval shaped than round. i think

8 pints then Bingo Wings!

Even the Romans Knew the world is round

Left wing, right wing whats the difference.

Tony Blair/David Cameron are essentially the same person. Blair conned a generation by selling them an impossible dream you know the expensive house, flash car and the holiday they couldn't really afford. But they didn't realize it was a con until Brown took over. Now Cameron's mob are squeezing any penny the last lot missed.

However its not just this country, the same goes for America Bill Clinton/George Bush, Clinton was considered left wing and he was very convincing at it but in the end he was found out. As for Bush the less said about him the better he was pure evil.

Party politics is nothing more than a distraction to make sure people don't see whats really going on and take a stand, maybe times are changing as more and more grow restless in the present climate.

always a red

Buffalo wings

True JR, organised religions have been around a very long time and have become rather good at brainwashing people, probably better at it than far right or far left political groups.

I've not heard of Howard Zinn so thanks for the tip, i will have a look.

To be honest we would probably never know if anything influenced Marx and Engels, other than the environment they saw. They certainly wouldn't admit to anything. But yes i agree with your point, it was certainly hijacked and perverted.

I like chicken wing. lol
huddz red

World is flat, Haven't you seen the map of world

A fair point, although a lot of the people involved are not aware of this i would think, a bit like the current political system . JR

The ''elite' did not create communism. Hijacked it,yes .manipulated it,yes ,but create it? no. The rest of your post i would agree with though ,have you read Howard Zinn by any chance ?If not Try a peoples history of the US, It backs up much of what you say. JR

Have to slightly disagree there raz ,20 years ago your average socialist was just that. Today they are regarded as far-left extremists, i get what you mean though. JR