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Very interesting...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism {Ed001's Note - I have read a lot about the Cathars, they fascinate me.}

A bit callous Irish Red.

As someone one said 1 death is a tragedy

My take on the Bin Laden setup.

Volunteers for the Mujahideen as a combatant in the war against the Soviet Union. The U.S. is pouring hundreds of millions of dollars in supporting the Mujahideen through the CIA in which Bin Laden is invoked/enroled as an asset. CIA assets and their operational details were held on computer, in particular the file named Al Qaeda, translated as "The Base" or "The Database."

OBL becomes the founder or at least the public face of the new worldwide Islamic terrorist organisation that go under the banner..urm...Al Qaeda?, the name some American intelligence nerd just happened to save the MS Access file as!

Now the Russians are out the picture, the CIA can put their assets to work and provide safe haven for them in the now liberated region (bought and paid for by U.S. Dollars) where they can co-ordinate terrorism, namely attacks on U.s. interests.

Bombings/attacks occur, OBL is pushed out as the man behind it all as the anti American and radical Muslim organisation is woven into the fabric of American policy.

Then comes the big one, a plan allegedly hatched out in a cave in mountainous Afghanistan. A plot so far fetched it would struggle for credibility as some sort of Manga animation.

OBLs health aint great, he required correct medical care. Great timing! U.S. can use his face in their propoganda and keep the war on terror moving. OBL is rested at secure location whilst B-52s bomb mountains in their persuit of the enemy.

OBL dies somwhere between very end of 2001 and 2005 becasue of his illness. The U.S. is not finished with him, theatrically they keep him alive whilst new problems are created and harvested until such time that he can be publically be released from his role.

Paragon

Hi ed the conspiracy is that oil is running out to justify the high cost of it. And i must agree that science/technology has been sacrificed so that the oil barons can squeeze us for as much money as possible and also the governments which make so much revenue through the tax raised through the cost of oil etc. Not ranting i believe or having a go ed your thoughts please {Ed001's Note - I fully agree with you mate, it is a scandal that we are being conned by people who have already made billions from us. It is clearly a ploy to up the prices, make people panic that something is in short supply and they will pay much more. The same principle applies to all limited edition prints etc.}

Agreed, RIP Dan. Great loss to motorsport. Personally a petrol head, its sad to see this. Crashes are part of the spectical, but you never want to see a driver/rider harmed let alone die. I wont be as crude as Irish Red, but one thing is certain in life......

Nice to see you're empathic Irish Red..or not!

Paragon

Everyone dies get over it

Irish Red

I think you have got it the wrong way around , real are backed by the spanish govement and always have been , with barca - they are just overspending , but both these clubs are huge worldwide , but its real who get the special treament money wise and barca i have to say have had some refs , not a lot - remember chesksi , help them i think.........lfc

Maybe so but thats only really provable with the body.

Do you think then that the yanks planned this years back?

That they set up OBL to be some sort of fall guy?

Let him carry out numerous attacks to build him up as a threat and then as they knew he was dying and couldn't really repsond pinned everything on him?

Even if he did protest no-one would believe him, of course he'd deny it.

And the fanatics around him weren't that bothered, it looked like a victory for them, they could use it to recruit more to their cause. And when it kicked off in Afghan and Iraq well it just suited them anyway.

Damn thats some sick s**t Ed! {Ed033's Note - very good documentary series to watch on this topic is The Power of Nightmares - www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOlwbaPe2os&list=PL917E5DD3D56CAE8D&feature=plpp

Ok quick search for Tim Osman

whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/binladen_cia.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Osman

whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bin_laden_osman.html

Maybe Ed, or maybe they offered him sort of deal, they'd let him off on his previous crimes, if they did something for him? Maybe they were running him all along? Maybe this had been planned for years, they just needed time to build up a suitable villain? So they recruit OBL, train him, let him o his thing in Afghan with the Russkies, and then they have him for future use. Let him go and do some small stuff and build up the threat gradually so that thne bang they can use him as the prime suspect for an extravaganza? {Ed033's Note - According to Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, Osama Bin Laden died In 2001 from Marfan Syndrome.}

The problem is when the word 'conspiracy' has the meaning of 'unbelievable' attached to it. My mum is sadly the same btw Ed, to the point where I'm almost disgusted. I asked her what she thought about Bin Laden the other day, the thing that worried me the most was her blatant lack of care. She didn't want to know, didn't want tot talk about it, doesn't want me thinking about it, all that sh*t, it's very worrying. My mum's mental, she's not like most mum's she's deffo one or two sandwiches short of a picnic, and I was really taken aback by her kind of annoyance that I would consider conspiracies.
She is the same person who attaches great meaning to the death celebrities and goes on and on about them though... weird. E.g. MJ's death.
Raz {Ed033's Note - We all think differently.}

Hi Ed033, i copied and posted from lower down, didn't want to type the whole thing out again.

I think there are good cases that can be made for all of them.

If your Tim Osman theory is correct then that opens up whole new possibilities as well, it could be a combo of 3 and 4.

As in he was a double agent but has been dead for years.

In which case was it natural causes?

An accident?

Or was he uncovered and bumped off by AQ and thats why they never admitted he was dead? Imagine their shock? {Ed033's Note - How about this. Osama Bin Laden was in a Dubai hospital with kidney trouble in July of 2001 and according to the media such as the Guardian, A CIA officer allegedly met with Bin Laden but did not arrest him even though at the time, Bin Laden was wanted for the bombing of an American base in the middle east. I suggest that they couldn't arrest Osama Bin Laden in July of 2001 because they wanted to blame 9/11 on him later on in September - link to Guardian story - www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/01/afghanistan.terrorism

4 theories then.

1. What happened was true and he was tracked to Pakistan and killed.

2. He was tracked to pakistan, captured, with a fake kill notice, and since been interrogated and disposed of.

3. He was a cia operative who needed to be retrieved and debriefed so they could get his intell.

4. He actually died years ago and this was covered up. {Ed033's Note - I say Number 4 but I think he was a CIA asset called Tim Osman as well. Lower down at 11 Oct 2011 11:40:41 on this page currently is more on this subject.}

First sorry about these short boxy posts, i'm
typing on a ps3. Anyway i watched the interview with Dan Burisch and though i am
a firm believer in ET activity in our skies i can't
take this man seriously , i think he genuinely
has issues and they may have more to do with
grand daddy and his tall friend than area 51.
I know this sounds dismissive and cynical but
these things go on, i hope i'm wrong and he's
just a Walter Mitty or that he's telling the truth.
JR

That's a fair comment Ed and a valid argument maybe it is just me being small minded or not willing to accept the unusual but I genuinely believe that some people regardless of their intelligence suffer from a lack of common sense. I genuinely apologise for sometimes sounding like I'm talking down to people but it's just what I believe that most of this talk is just ridiculous nonsense and want to be allowed to say so. The most disappointing thing is that if I'm wrong I could one day be proved wrong but I can never be proved right so it's a lonely place for me on this site

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - I am very happy for you to play devil's advocate, in fact it would be great to get the opposing viewpoint, but just please try and remember that people aren't insane or stupid etc just because their beliefs differ. We all view things from a different angle, even eyewitness reports of an incident can differ widely.}

I did say i have had a few beers ed. so sorry about the ranting, i'm just gonna stop now and have a read tomoz when i am sober and probs cringe. lol. i just think that there arre lots of thing we still dont know about types of particles, how they move, react than we think we do that is out in the public domain. i think the military do from alien tech but the rest is just drunken ranting, it is saturday night after all. so sorry once again ed
huddz red {Ed001's Note - it's fine mate, the oil thing is one of my pet hates is all, I hear it all the time from people who should know better. Anyone who is a student of WW2 history, for instance, should know the sheer madness of claims of oil running out. Any farmer should also know it is complete nonsense.}

Has anyone actually seen star trek.... Duh!!. lol only joking. i personally think a lot of physicists have got there theories and equations wrong, there is a lot more to space, time and light and what affects it and how it works under different circumstances together and separately. We do not have the tech to understand how light, gravity and space work in the public domain, although i do think it will eventually come out in my life time (I'm 27) as oil will run out in next 20 - 30 years, and also i think it's a little bit wierd how batteries haven't evolved as much as i though they would in the fact they have pretty much stayed the same for a number of years especially for cars, they have been doing this for a long time and still haven't figured it out. :s
science is progressed at a rate that the powers that be want it to. (w**kers)
huddz red
p.s i have had a few beers tonight so i apologise now if it doesn't make sense {Ed001's Note - sorry I struggle with this, I keep reading this nonsense everywhere about oil running out and I just don't understand it for a number of reasons. For one, as long ago as WW2, the Germans perfected synthetic oil, which was of a higher standard than refined crude oil. Secondly, it is possible to create fuel oil from crops, for instance rapeseed oil, which is why so much of it was initially planted back during a previous oil crisis. We could even refine standard vegetable oil, or animal fats and oils, to be used as a fuel oil to replace crude oil. All this talk of oil running out is purely a mechanism to make more money, as each time they tell us it is running out they up the price.}

Are you telling me that nobody ever says anything that can be considered ridiculous or moronic?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - nope, it can be considered it, but why call people it? That just causes abusive replies. Why can't you just point out why you disagree with something, why do you feel the need to insult people for having that belief? It makes far more sense to explain your reasoning and give them a chance to learn from your thinking.}

You mean like the thing?
huddz red {Ed033's Note - I don't know because no one knows what this entity is. If you are interested you could either listen to the interview on youtube with link above or read the book, "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by Colm A. Kelleher and George Knapp.}

I see now science is saying the speed of light is not quite consant , which will mean we really know very little about the working of the universe , very interesting.............lfc