22 Jan 2020 18:27:52 I can completely understand how you feel on the FE theory, AJH. I struggle with, what it would mean if true, too. Something is not right though. And I'm trying to find out with my own research. I'd be happy to admit I was wrong about something if I was proved to be so.
Its the fact that there are no real photos of the Earth in full view. They are all photoshopped and made to look how we would expect it to look. Why is that? . They send probes and robotic machines to even the farthest planets to take photographs, yet they have none of the planet we live on?
If you were on a spacecraft going to the Moon. Would the first thing you look at and photograph be the Earth? This just doesn't add up to me.
As for the 500 years of science being denied. I am just about to start, probably a life's work, to try and understand the works of A. T. Fomenko. Someone that believes "consensual history is a finely woven magic fabric of intricate lies about events predating the XVI century".
That will be after I have read: Isaac Newton - The chronology of ancient kingdoms. Who believes the same. I will share my thoughts as and when.
Just to add a little more to your responses. I don't believe everyone at Nasa knows much at all with, what is going on. It's all compartmentalised, so no one knows what anyone else is doing. And there are a lot of ex nasa people who are now flat Earthers which generates questions. It would be possible for the elite few at the top of these organisations to be the only ones in the know.
I'm not a flat earther (yet), but I am open to the possibility to it being true. You can see my journey down the rabbit hole from about 2 months ago on here. I actually said to Ed recently that, if you told me a few months ago I'd be researching the FE theory, I would have told you, you were insane!
22 Jan 2020 16:15:46 Ok, the moon is bright as it is reflecting the Sun's light but as we all know, it is nothing like sunlight, it is a lot fainter, that’s why it doesn’t light up the whole sky. But in a similar vein, on a sunny day you can look into the distance and see dark clouds.
The first image proves we are all doomed! . The whole antarctic ice-shelf has melted away and maybe if I climbed a tree as they suggest I would have seen this coming, because a lot of ice missing = a lot of water I should be seeing?! .
But, after getting over the shock of this make believe flood from melted ice that i couldn't see, I decided to book myself on a "round-the-world flight" which clearly, by its name, means the world is a sphere. A perfect sphere as shown in all the photos. But isn't there a bulge in the middle?
Oh no wait its pear-shaped isn't it? (just take a look at the photos they show on the round-the-world flight. the one that doesn't show the black of space, has less curvature than the one lower and shows no black of space. And most people believe this crap.
21 Jan 2020 20:40:05 Kudos to you for your work today, Ed. Hope Tony spends the time reading/ watching the answers to his questions. I Hold his opinion quite highly on the MU pages and comes across as balanced and thoughtful. Be good to have another open mind on here to discuss / question the truth.
21 Jan 2020 19:44:34 Q8. What is the Moon’s relationship to the Earth if the Earth is flat? Does it orbit and if so, how?
A8. The Earth doesn't move, the Moon moves above us. The Moon moves towards us and away from us:
The Moon over a Earth video:
Q9. When I fly on a plane, I can see what appears to be the curvature of the Earth, why is this?
A9. There could more than 1 reason for this, the main one being; the windows in planes are curved, which give some apparent curvature to the Earth.
Also, the light rays could appear to our eyes/brain to bend slightly due to refraction as you look through the layers of air from you into the distant horizon. Meaning you see curvature where no actual curvature exists.
21 Jan 2020 19:34:10 Yes. That had slipped my mind, Ed. Think half my brains gone on strike today in protest of the amount of info its received of late. Poor ol' monkey can peddle fast enough. I Had a flip through the Fomenko book (more doorstop and this is just vol 1) which just turned up today, and the level of research is astounding! to the point where I am not even sure I'll be able to understand it without a lifetime of research myself.
Guess that journey starts now. I need to try and have days where i just study that and nothing else, to give myself a chance. I did note early in the book he references Newtons book "The chronology of Ancient Kingdoms". So I will delve into that first as it is a more regular sized book! haha.
P.S there are many diagrams in Fomenko's book which are not easy to interpret without reading the book (I speculate they will be easier) . But it does seem it would be possible to draw up a timeline of events once I get my head round it.
21 Jan 2020 18:50:27 Q4. Why do stars in the night sky not stay on the same place. Are they moving or is the Earth moving?
A4. The Earth is fixed, not moving not rotating. The luminaries we call stars (which may not be suns, but could be plasma?) move.
See the video in the below thread at timestamp 21 Jan 2020 13:26:21.
Q5. I've watched sunrises and sunsets, is it the Sun moving or the Earth?
A5. The Earth doesn't move. The Sun moves away from you until you can't see it anymore, then it moves towards you until you can see it again.
The Sun does not set, but fades out of view
Q6. Similar question, why does the sun start in the East and finish in the West?
A6. If you know the current Flat Earth model or have downloaded the Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app, it shows the movement of the Sun and the Moon
21 Jan 2020 18:04:53 When you say you saw the curvature from a plane. Did you actually make a conscious point of looking for it or was it a case of remembering that you saw it?
Only reason I ask is that once, many moons ago, I was training to be a skydiver. So throwing myself out of a plane at 5000ft+ was a normal regular occurrence back then. But I never consciously looked for a curve, I just think I remember one or even I don't recall at all (is it the mandela effect?, not sure) . So, because I am not sure, I have put it down to not seeing it and now I have to actively seek it on purpose. Hope that makes sense. Question everything including your own mind.
Also, If you have the time, AJH, this is well worth a watch. Should have most of the answers and more for you to think about.
21 Jan 2020 17:09:39 Thanks, Ed. Haha no it wasn't a default switch back to SGE model. Maybe I should have put, It throws a spanner in the works of how I visualise the flat Earth model, especially relating to Gleason's FE map and how Antarctica is a surrounding ice wall.
I asked you a while back how the Sun works (not daylight everywhere) on FE, and you pointed me towards the info of the dome. That made perfect sense to me. It was more the fact I couldn't mentally visualise how the star hemispheres worked on this same dome principle. Knew there must have been a way. Knew you'd help me find it. Thanks.
21 Jan 2020 14:56:07 Q2. Along the same lines, how about the other planets in our solar system, flat or round?
A2. NASA and all space agencies have been stuck in low Earth orbit because there seems to be a crystal, watery barrier above us called the Firmament. The luminaries that are called stars are within the Firmament. I'm guessing the luminaries called planets are within the Firmament. At the moment i think spherical plasma. see video below of Mars zoomed in seen through Nikon P900:
Q3. Does the Earth move around the Sun or is it stationary?
A3. The Sun moves in circles (of increasing and decreasing diameter) above the fixed, non moving, non rotating Earth. (See Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app video above)
21 Jan 2020 13:57:19 Q1. Is the moon flat or round?
A1. If you were to look at Earth from way above it, it might appear to be round, so the question is, Is the moon round or spherical?
One thing about the Moon, it can't be 235,000 miles away because we observe that when we can see Moon and clouds in the sky, only the few clouds nearest to the Moon are lit up by the Moon.
I could be incorrect, but from what i have observed, at the moment, i'll say spherical.
Moon photos taken at the same time from Scotland and Australia. How would this be possible on a globe?
21 Jan 2020 11:01:18 I was explaining (amongst other things) the Michelson-Morley/ Sagnac and Bedford level experiments and the whole perspective effect with the eyes and all lenses. As in they have a limit.
But no, they are an engineer that has been "trained". So, consequently their tiny brain had no room for things that go against the MS grain, and had never heard of such preposterous reasoning.
I am still currently washing off the heathenish treachery with carbolic. But I openly admit, I am not looking forward to the lashings!
21 Jan 2020 08:25:40 Did you just tell this person the earth is flat? What other response did you expect?
An awful lot of people out there still think LHO killed JFK. Even more think you’re a complete looney if you suggest an alternative to the msm story on 9/ 11.
Southern Monkey · 22 Jan 2020 19:40
