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Reply · Big Al · 23 Nov 2016 20:54
23 Nov 2016 21:49:27
Just finished actually watching it all. Truly extraordinary. Absolutely extraordinary. Both disturbing and unbelievable. My God it's like a movie. Gobsmacked by it all and the lengths used to cover it up.
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Reply · Big Al · 23 Nov 2016 20:54
23 Nov 2016 20:24:20
There's no conspiracy with Snowden. I firmly believe Russia did him a favour.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 23 Nov 2016 20:30
23 Nov 2016 21:16:46
good link AL
any ideas who is the actress reciving the oscar who made the speech?
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Reply · GracieBhoy · 23 Nov 2016 16:51
23 Nov 2016 16:42:30
Yeah the johnny gosch thing is quite interesting and leads onto a lot of other things you will you will want to look at.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 23 Nov 2016 16:51
23 Nov 2016 17:26:23
snowdon got asked by the media, why he absconded to the enemy (russia ) he said it was not his choice, he was off to south america think paraguay but the NSA blocked all flights to his destination, uncanny eh?

yep israel makes sense .
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Reply · GracieBhoy · 23 Nov 2016 16:51
23 Nov 2016 16:44:21
Yes I understand, but rian ain't they the different faces of the same coin in hierarchy terms of earth.

So what is the reason, I guess well have to wait and see.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 23 Nov 2016 15:12
23 Nov 2016 16:04:24
Gadgets aren't everything. Reality is not a James Bond Aston Martin with ejector seat and machine guns behind the headlamps.

Actually with a large budget a lot tends to get wasted. You've heard the story of NASA spending millions researching a pen to write in space with low temperature ink. Soviets just took a pencil.

£ for £ one of the best agencies is the Israeli. Not popular but on a budget fractions of America they have a lot of product. British agencies, again not a huge budget, very successful.

Manning wanted to do the right thing, blundered and was caught. Assange is an egotist but created a very useful tool, now largely funded from Moscow. Snowdon is an asset. Could be a double. But I'm sure all that time he disappeared for in Moscow that was made certain of. Slightest suspicion against him and he'd have had a nasty case of food poisoning.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 23 Nov 2016 14:06
23 Nov 2016 14:58:33
i have no doubt the things snowdon did, happened, I just question the NSA and snowdon's motives.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 23 Nov 2016 13:19
23 Nov 2016 12:50:12
Greatest Intelligence network to me means the budget they have to invest in gadgets, (have not got a clue if they are or not to be honest )

as for snowdon I look at the lives of Bradley Manning and Julian Assange and I think its uncanny the guy who avoided the prison sentence or locked up in a foreign embassy seems to be the poster boy of whistle blowing.
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Reply · Mr.x · 23 Nov 2016 13:15
23 Nov 2016 12:14:41
Thanks franky, that's an awesome idea i've never thought about conspiracies from years ago.
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Reply · Whistler · 23 Nov 2016 13:15
23 Nov 2016 13:32:19
Big Al, you must be joking surely? Have you looked to see if people within Islam have spoken up or are you waiting to be shown? Ludicrous statement, based on literally nothing.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 23 Nov 2016 11:09
23 Nov 2016 12:01:29
agreed mr x, what i tend to do is look back to the 70s and 80s for stuff for me its more credible as there was no fame attached in fact they were ridiculed.

i found this story a few years ago and was blown away, some of it is tough to hear and watch but it opens your eyes.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 23 Nov 2016 11:09
23 Nov 2016 11:37:41
have been saying it for years, msm is dead, one explanation for the job cuts and losses in broadsheet papers is they are going all in alternative media, i have noticed a massive change in twitter/ youtube etc, its so hard to find genuine people.

i will give you a small example , peter dukes is a journalist, he was a msm journo but when off the radar when he investigated The murder of Daniel Morgan, i took a interest in his thoughts on quite a few subjects on twitter and the more he wrote the more i thought you could put a suit on him on skynews, i thought the morgan case would have opened his eyes to everything, jesus i was so wrong . things i pointed out to him like:
gulf of tonkin
northwoods document
9/11
and many more subjects, he would or could not see anything strange. i get journalist actually need some type of proof to go public but this guy was not having anything of it . so my guess is you will see a lot more dis info out there now and it could be more beneficial to them as they will not be public figures.
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Reply · Rian · 23 Nov 2016 10:40
23 Nov 2016 11:16:36
I think it is highly likely that Russia was behind the leaks. Helping to keep Clinton out of the White House may well prove to be the smartest bit of business they've done in years.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 23 Nov 2016 09:55
23 Nov 2016 10:06:02
Franky I've been saying for years that he's exactly that. I know my own people, my old colleagues. They've always been highly suspicious to the point of paranoia. And if you read the article I posted the other day it does say that Russian intelligence don't like walk-ins. So Snowden had to have been a preexisting asset. And again as I've been saying America is riddled with them.

Greatest Intelligence network? I hope you didn't mean those cowboys from the farm in Virginia.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 23 Nov 2016 09:55
23 Nov 2016 10:14:06
And I also seem to remember the head of the FBI saying that there was no Russian involvement. And the old president can't do anything as he's a lame duck. The new president won't do anything. And his party controls both houses. And as we know the 'opposition' is controlled by a maniac billionaire with a price on his head.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 23 Nov 2016 04:37
23 Nov 2016 01:10:15
Is it propaganda? Or was it the greatest intelligence coup of modern times?

Clinton was anti-Russia, a barely stable medically and mentally puppet for war mongers and people like Soros. Incidentally Soros her biggest backer is banned from Russia. And who's stirring up the anti Trump protests? Soros.
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Reply · GracieBhoy · 22 Nov 2016 21:25
22 Nov 2016 22:21:21
I agree with everything and although i'm not american I didn't want to see clinton being president.

Having said that do you actually think trump will do anything good?

What I mean is, we know how these things work, I think tptb wanted trump in and they are trying to stir a civil war type scenario.

You also have the propaganda about russia being behind the leaks and therefore sabotaging the election which will also cause anger within america.

If trump wasnt in the plan however, he won't be president for long.
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Reply · Big Al · 22 Nov 2016 19:56
22 Nov 2016 19:11:59
Apparently he's also done something with Ford and Apple as well. He continues to get bad press whilst the man himself who's not even in office yet has created more jobs than the dire Obama.
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