06 Sep 2015 17:35:30
Fair enough but we can prove the political level. Anything above that is speculation. Certainly well informed speculation but can you prove it? If we could would we be sat here now?
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06 Sep 2015 17:44:47
Regards corbyn his own associations will provide enough ammunition for his opponents.
I applaud him for his refusal to once share a platform with Nick griffin of the bnp saying he doesn't stand on stage with racists. Now that's a great principle. Griffin and his cohorts are pond slime.
But he's shared a platform with Islamic fundamentalists many of whom hold views as abhorrent as Nick griffin, certainly in terms of misogyny, homophobia, and racism.
So what's the difference? Where's the principle there?
I get the argument that to sort out the issues you have to engage with this sort of person. But it looks too much like he supports these people with his claims that the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah are harmless. Truth is they're fanatics with a publicly admitted aim of genocide. Now if they stuck to something along the lines of we're just fighting to preserve our people and obtain our homeland etc and made the Israelis look like the aggressors that they are they could get more support. But an avowed aim of achieving that homeland by genocide is unsupportable. And by associating with such people damages both corbyn and the labour party.
Read discussionRegards corbyn his own associations will provide enough ammunition for his opponents.
I applaud him for his refusal to once share a platform with Nick griffin of the bnp saying he doesn't stand on stage with racists. Now that's a great principle. Griffin and his cohorts are pond slime.
But he's shared a platform with Islamic fundamentalists many of whom hold views as abhorrent as Nick griffin, certainly in terms of misogyny, homophobia, and racism.
So what's the difference? Where's the principle there?
I get the argument that to sort out the issues you have to engage with this sort of person. But it looks too much like he supports these people with his claims that the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah are harmless. Truth is they're fanatics with a publicly admitted aim of genocide. Now if they stuck to something along the lines of we're just fighting to preserve our people and obtain our homeland etc and made the Israelis look like the aggressors that they are they could get more support. But an avowed aim of achieving that homeland by genocide is unsupportable. And by associating with such people damages both corbyn and the labour party.
06 Sep 2015 17:48:43
Lastly I believe an element of the Saud family knew of the plan, approved it and supported it. But its a large family.
That bin laden received help from both contacts inside the Saud family and the business that farms in Virginia as well.
Read discussionLastly I believe an element of the Saud family knew of the plan, approved it and supported it. But its a large family.
That bin laden received help from both contacts inside the Saud family and the business that farms in Virginia as well.
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TTTS · 06 Sep 2015 16:41
TTTS · 06 Sep 2015 16:4106 Sep 2015 17:13:56
Today we see why the MSM have picked up on the baby boy pic,seems to be suggestions that that particular pic was stage managed. There's no double children are being drown thou. just needed the heart wrenching scene to further their aim . BOMB ASSAD,BOMB ISIS. Making the entry into Syria that bit more acceptable.
Camerons go ahead could be hampered by Corbyn thou when he becomes opposition leader. Expect Cameron to crank up the bombing options over the next few days weeks.
Read discussionToday we see why the MSM have picked up on the baby boy pic,seems to be suggestions that that particular pic was stage managed. There's no double children are being drown thou. just needed the heart wrenching scene to further their aim . BOMB ASSAD,BOMB ISIS. Making the entry into Syria that bit more acceptable.
Camerons go ahead could be hampered by Corbyn thou when he becomes opposition leader. Expect Cameron to crank up the bombing options over the next few days weeks.
06 Sep 2015 12:20:33
Well its Saudi funded and there funds come from the petrol.
The difficulty for me is how you balance the pro Zionist faction working with an anti Zionist faction to create Isis.
Read discussionWell its Saudi funded and there funds come from the petrol.
The difficulty for me is how you balance the pro Zionist faction working with an anti Zionist faction to create Isis.
06 Sep 2015 13:16:28
I worry for Corbyn.
The spin and propaganda against him is nothing short of bullying, but what did we expect?
I see the anti Semite label is well and truly being flung at him, even though he categorically denies this.
He's a brave man, but with respect t to him - at his age, why not stir it up by sticking to his principles?
Read discussionI worry for Corbyn.
The spin and propaganda against him is nothing short of bullying, but what did we expect?
I see the anti Semite label is well and truly being flung at him, even though he categorically denies this.
He's a brave man, but with respect t to him - at his age, why not stir it up by sticking to his principles?
06 Sep 2015 10:05:23
The Assad regime is a nasty piece of work. As I've said before I have spent time in the middle east as part of a diplomatic fact finding mission, with special relevance to certain topics that are classified. This took in trips to Damascus, Baghdad, and others. Now ill state i'm not an arab specialist, I was there partly because it was a crap assignment that no one wanted and I was at the time in the dog house. But also because I wasn't an arabist I was also an unbiased observer.
Bear in mind as a soviet citizen I was used to seeing people fear a secret police. But the middle east was a whole different level. I certainly didn't shed any tears for Hussein.
Now let's agree that the arab spring was stirred up by certain intelligence agencies. The fact remains that the conditions had to exist for people to be receptive. And anyone living under a dictatorship will be receptive. As the editor said the other day an imposed regime will always collapse.
Now for me the interesting thing is two years ago. When the west wanted to intervene but were blocked. The resulting vacuum created Isis and the refugee crisis.
Read discussionThe Assad regime is a nasty piece of work. As I've said before I have spent time in the middle east as part of a diplomatic fact finding mission, with special relevance to certain topics that are classified. This took in trips to Damascus, Baghdad, and others. Now ill state i'm not an arab specialist, I was there partly because it was a crap assignment that no one wanted and I was at the time in the dog house. But also because I wasn't an arabist I was also an unbiased observer.
Bear in mind as a soviet citizen I was used to seeing people fear a secret police. But the middle east was a whole different level. I certainly didn't shed any tears for Hussein.
Now let's agree that the arab spring was stirred up by certain intelligence agencies. The fact remains that the conditions had to exist for people to be receptive. And anyone living under a dictatorship will be receptive. As the editor said the other day an imposed regime will always collapse.
Now for me the interesting thing is two years ago. When the west wanted to intervene but were blocked. The resulting vacuum created Isis and the refugee crisis.
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TTTS · 06 Sep 2015 00:1606 Sep 2015 01:11:12
Corbyn could be a spanner in the works. He wants ISIS removed but by asking all the right questions. Who's funding them , who's training them etc. Of course he knows. But the fact he want to wash the establishment's linen in public won't go down too well.
Food taster required?
Read discussionCorbyn could be a spanner in the works. He wants ISIS removed but by asking all the right questions. Who's funding them , who's training them etc. Of course he knows. But the fact he want to wash the establishment's linen in public won't go down too well.
Food taster required?
06 Sep 2015 00:28:39
The I word is difficult to even type.
I'm aware of the influence of Saudi Arabia but suspect this is a collective issue driven by the Americans (albeit with some rich pickings for the other conspirator countries!)
It would make sense that Turkey is driven in to Syria with all their national reserve forces, but I suspect this would potentially create a religious divide in Turkey and may be difficult.
Thanks for the informative info.
Read discussionThe I word is difficult to even type.
I'm aware of the influence of Saudi Arabia but suspect this is a collective issue driven by the Americans (albeit with some rich pickings for the other conspirator countries!)
It would make sense that Turkey is driven in to Syria with all their national reserve forces, but I suspect this would potentially create a religious divide in Turkey and may be difficult.
Thanks for the informative info.
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HERBIE · 05 Sep 2015 14:37
HERBIE · 05 Sep 2015 14:3705 Sep 2015 15:34:41
Exactly my thoughts Kim Philby.
Read discussionExactly my thoughts Kim Philby.
05 Sep 2015 09:51:56
TTTS, I agree. I suppose they could be trying to gather public support by appealing to sentiment for a new series of international aid payments. These are payments provided on conditions which aim to ensure that the country is covertly taken over by seizing, infiltrating and corrupting all positions of power within said country. This is achieved by making it mandatory that the money is used on rebuilding the infrastructure of said countries.
As is common in such cases the only operating construction companies equipped to undertake such projects will just so happen to have ties to the military-industrial complex that produced the armaments, provided the training and funding, and are the ones responsible for destroying the country in the first place. Furthermore as is common practice they will happen to subcontract their work to independent contractors, among which agents of three letter organisations who could not previously roam the region without arousing suspicion and drawing attention to themselves. Equipped with employee i'd badges from respectable companies, that due to the work they are conducting have the newly and democratically appointed president's personal line on speed dial, said agents will be free to follow instructions and implement long drawn schemes.
Read discussionTTTS, I agree. I suppose they could be trying to gather public support by appealing to sentiment for a new series of international aid payments. These are payments provided on conditions which aim to ensure that the country is covertly taken over by seizing, infiltrating and corrupting all positions of power within said country. This is achieved by making it mandatory that the money is used on rebuilding the infrastructure of said countries.
As is common in such cases the only operating construction companies equipped to undertake such projects will just so happen to have ties to the military-industrial complex that produced the armaments, provided the training and funding, and are the ones responsible for destroying the country in the first place. Furthermore as is common practice they will happen to subcontract their work to independent contractors, among which agents of three letter organisations who could not previously roam the region without arousing suspicion and drawing attention to themselves. Equipped with employee i'd badges from respectable companies, that due to the work they are conducting have the newly and democratically appointed president's personal line on speed dial, said agents will be free to follow instructions and implement long drawn schemes.
05 Sep 2015 09:15:27
Id also question how many are genuine refugees. There's plenty of safe neighbouring countries where they'd fit in more easily due to religious, cultural and ethnic similarities. Also they cross several safe countries to try and reach Germany. What's so special about Germany. Shows that a significant proportion are economic migrants. I've nothing against people moving to better there lives but call it as it is.
Read discussionId also question how many are genuine refugees. There's plenty of safe neighbouring countries where they'd fit in more easily due to religious, cultural and ethnic similarities. Also they cross several safe countries to try and reach Germany. What's so special about Germany. Shows that a significant proportion are economic migrants. I've nothing against people moving to better there lives but call it as it is.
05 Sep 2015 08:59:13
Maybe this is just me and I'm old and paranoid. But all week most people including your prime minister has been no more migrants then after 1 dead boy on a beach and the resulting outcry the whole positions reversed. Just strikes me as too convenient.
I'm not saying you shouldn't fulfill your moral obligations regards genuine refugees. Just find this a bit suspicious.
Read discussionMaybe this is just me and I'm old and paranoid. But all week most people including your prime minister has been no more migrants then after 1 dead boy on a beach and the resulting outcry the whole positions reversed. Just strikes me as too convenient.
I'm not saying you shouldn't fulfill your moral obligations regards genuine refugees. Just find this a bit suspicious.
Reply · HERBIE · 04 Sep 2015 22:05
HERBIE · 04 Sep 2015 22:0504 Sep 2015 22:42:38
Maybe it was planned all along.
Lets get the kettle boiling.
Read discussionMaybe it was planned all along.
Lets get the kettle boiling.
04 Sep 2015 22:17:54
Estrogen in water, metro sexuality, feminine fashion and a pushing of the transgender. Said it before, weaken the men, you weaken the punch of the rebellion.
Read discussionEstrogen in water, metro sexuality, feminine fashion and a pushing of the transgender. Said it before, weaken the men, you weaken the punch of the rebellion.
04 Sep 2015 22:33:57
People who transcend genders have been around since the beginning. Their nature used to see them either segregated from society or revered. In the latter societies they served as healers and spiritual guides.
In spiritual teachings the masculine and feminine energies are said to exist in everyone, however in most people one is more dominant than the other and that is were gender stems from. In transgender people these two phenomenally opposite energies coexist in harmonious balance enabling said people to transcend dualities by seeing beyond them in ways anew and even discover that which most people seek outside, in themselves.
Without delving in dualities, linearity, trigonometry, Hegelian dialectics, the symbolism of compasses and "all seeing eyes", matters pertinent to this discussion, most can be analyzed in relation to their opposites. To gain a neutral perspective of such relationships one must be in a position outside said reaction, enabling the observer to reach an objective conclusion.
In humans the distinction between genders did not rest on whether the reproductive organs were inside or outside the body. The distinction was in the abilities most often encountered in either of the genders, which made either gender more suitable for completing certain tasks. As an example, men had harder skin with ample hair so as to offer protection from friction and prolonged exposure to sunlight during the hunt, whereas women were of smaller frame thus requiring less sustenance but at the same time making it harder to provide for themselves.
These distinctions are slowly disappearing due to the fact that we no longer choose and adapt to our environment but morph it to our choosing. I imagine in the distant future the hormonal production of both species will diminish and at that point our species will evolve into a hermaphroditic one, encompassing both gender's characteristics in one form.
A problem encountered in modern society is the importance placed on carnal pleasure. While there is nothing wrong with pleasure, to devote ones life in its pursuit, hedonism, is to loose perspective and deduct value from all the mechanisms existing in the human body that are placed higher than the reproductive centers. I perceive that the amount of interest expressed in the sexual preferences of others arise from crippling insecurities, impressed in us from imposed morphing institutions and an establishment which has correctly identified that a life based on the YOLO principle would render them unopposed.
Read discussionPeople who transcend genders have been around since the beginning. Their nature used to see them either segregated from society or revered. In the latter societies they served as healers and spiritual guides.
In spiritual teachings the masculine and feminine energies are said to exist in everyone, however in most people one is more dominant than the other and that is were gender stems from. In transgender people these two phenomenally opposite energies coexist in harmonious balance enabling said people to transcend dualities by seeing beyond them in ways anew and even discover that which most people seek outside, in themselves.
Without delving in dualities, linearity, trigonometry, Hegelian dialectics, the symbolism of compasses and "all seeing eyes", matters pertinent to this discussion, most can be analyzed in relation to their opposites. To gain a neutral perspective of such relationships one must be in a position outside said reaction, enabling the observer to reach an objective conclusion.
In humans the distinction between genders did not rest on whether the reproductive organs were inside or outside the body. The distinction was in the abilities most often encountered in either of the genders, which made either gender more suitable for completing certain tasks. As an example, men had harder skin with ample hair so as to offer protection from friction and prolonged exposure to sunlight during the hunt, whereas women were of smaller frame thus requiring less sustenance but at the same time making it harder to provide for themselves.
These distinctions are slowly disappearing due to the fact that we no longer choose and adapt to our environment but morph it to our choosing. I imagine in the distant future the hormonal production of both species will diminish and at that point our species will evolve into a hermaphroditic one, encompassing both gender's characteristics in one form.
A problem encountered in modern society is the importance placed on carnal pleasure. While there is nothing wrong with pleasure, to devote ones life in its pursuit, hedonism, is to loose perspective and deduct value from all the mechanisms existing in the human body that are placed higher than the reproductive centers. I perceive that the amount of interest expressed in the sexual preferences of others arise from crippling insecurities, impressed in us from imposed morphing institutions and an establishment which has correctly identified that a life based on the YOLO principle would render them unopposed.
04 Sep 2015 21:25:35
It sounds a bit hp Lovecraft or terry pratchett. But then fiction is based on legend and all legend surely has some basis in reality.
Maybe they do attempt it maybe they achieve it.
Let us assume millenia ago extra terrestrial trans dimensional beings did visit this planet. Taught our ancestors then left promising to return but warning of another alien faction. Our ancestors try to communicate this information but can only do it through symbolism which over time the meaning has been corrupted into todays religions.
Read discussionIt sounds a bit hp Lovecraft or terry pratchett. But then fiction is based on legend and all legend surely has some basis in reality.
Maybe they do attempt it maybe they achieve it.
Let us assume millenia ago extra terrestrial trans dimensional beings did visit this planet. Taught our ancestors then left promising to return but warning of another alien faction. Our ancestors try to communicate this information but can only do it through symbolism which over time the meaning has been corrupted into todays religions.
04 Sep 2015 19:41:40
I'm not saying you should. I was just pointing out that your both talking about people being possessed by demons.
I don't subscribe to the theory myself.
But it is interesting.
Read discussionI'm not saying you should. I was just pointing out that your both talking about people being possessed by demons.
I don't subscribe to the theory myself.
But it is interesting.
04 Sep 2015 16:49:28
Anyone who follows any book whether it be bible or Koran, das kapital or Mein kampf is making a mistake.
All are flawed philosophies.
That said to play devils advocate. Two things I have noticed on here.
Ed33 you yourself have raised the theory that the global elites are in partnership or controlled by demons. This is the same point as raised above just in a spiritual sense rather than a supernatural or extraterrestrial sense.
Secondly another theory raised on here is that certain ancient cultures attempted to communicate various information through the ages, the Maya, the Hindu vedas, even the bible.
Whilst I'm not a religious person, and am distrustful of religious fanaticism or fundamentalism I don't think we should dismiss someone's ideas out of hand just because they approach it from the religious angle.
Read discussionAnyone who follows any book whether it be bible or Koran, das kapital or Mein kampf is making a mistake.
All are flawed philosophies.
That said to play devils advocate. Two things I have noticed on here.
Ed33 you yourself have raised the theory that the global elites are in partnership or controlled by demons. This is the same point as raised above just in a spiritual sense rather than a supernatural or extraterrestrial sense.
Secondly another theory raised on here is that certain ancient cultures attempted to communicate various information through the ages, the Maya, the Hindu vedas, even the bible.
Whilst I'm not a religious person, and am distrustful of religious fanaticism or fundamentalism I don't think we should dismiss someone's ideas out of hand just because they approach it from the religious angle.
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spudv · 04 Sep 2015 13:57
spudv · 04 Sep 2015 13:5704 Sep 2015 14:57:07
@Jesus is coming, which bible have you read to come to these conclusions? I believe that I read somewhere that the bible prophesies could only be derived from the Hebrew version, not sure how true that is.
But, alas, I don't personally have much to do with any bible, religion is steeped in faith yet I prefer to see evidence with my own eyes. With the whole god thing that is pretty hard to get any tangible evidence of his existence.
Read discussion@Jesus is coming, which bible have you read to come to these conclusions? I believe that I read somewhere that the bible prophesies could only be derived from the Hebrew version, not sure how true that is.
But, alas, I don't personally have much to do with any bible, religion is steeped in faith yet I prefer to see evidence with my own eyes. With the whole god thing that is pretty hard to get any tangible evidence of his existence.