Its a natural trait to hate the people you perceive to mistreat you and oppress you! the British and Americans on this site focus on their governments hand in the cookie jar of the world, where as Kim will reflect more sternly on her perceived oppressors, just logic. Here in sunny R.S.A, I would lean more to being against the west. They seem to me more trying to take over the world and incite violence murdering civilians through proxies, and Putin his region inter. so i'm more worried of the despot American coming here and screwing up my side of the world (we are in BRICS) than Russians.
Mr. Jones
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22 Jul 2014 22:03:03
Being Russian, I've known a few Jewish people, seen the effects of state persecution on them so yes I am probably more sympathetic towards them. They can argue forever and a day over who was there first. But the arabs started this mess off back in 48. And a lot of todays problems of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism date back to this. And again being Russian I've had experience of this as have we all. It tends to limit your sympathy, especially given Hamas set up in civilian areas fire rockets and pull out before the Israeli response leaving their own civilians to get killed as its good propaganda. They are nothing but pathetic cowards.
Kim Philby
Read discussionBeing Russian, I've known a few Jewish people, seen the effects of state persecution on them so yes I am probably more sympathetic towards them. They can argue forever and a day over who was there first. But the arabs started this mess off back in 48. And a lot of todays problems of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism date back to this. And again being Russian I've had experience of this as have we all. It tends to limit your sympathy, especially given Hamas set up in civilian areas fire rockets and pull out before the Israeli response leaving their own civilians to get killed as its good propaganda. They are nothing but pathetic cowards.
Kim Philby
What right did the UN have to divide Palestine to create the Israeli state?
If Palestine was not happy with it from the start, surely it was best not to give THEIR land away to someone else :/
Read discussionIf Palestine was not happy with it from the start, surely it was best not to give THEIR land away to someone else :/
22 Jul 2014 21:38:03
Well I don't see Obama murdering journalists who print inconvenient truths. I don't see Obama penalizing minorities. I don't see Obama sending to jail a bunch of young girls just for protesting. I don't see Obama sending political opponents to jail on trumped up charges. I don't see Obama having former intelligence officers assassinated in London.
Sure the Americans have issues. Who doesn't. But when you grew up under communism you appreciate freedom all the more. And the freedoms of the 90s are being eroded by a dangerous egomaniac.
Kim Philby
Read discussionWell I don't see Obama murdering journalists who print inconvenient truths. I don't see Obama penalizing minorities. I don't see Obama sending to jail a bunch of young girls just for protesting. I don't see Obama sending political opponents to jail on trumped up charges. I don't see Obama having former intelligence officers assassinated in London.
Sure the Americans have issues. Who doesn't. But when you grew up under communism you appreciate freedom all the more. And the freedoms of the 90s are being eroded by a dangerous egomaniac.
Kim Philby
22 Jul 2014 21:28:41
Franky was that not the point of the league of nations and the united nations? Obviously its a flawed system.
Read discussionFranky was that not the point of the league of nations and the united nations? Obviously its a flawed system.
22 Jul 2014 22:11:30
Yes franky. Disagreements tend to get out of hand and it only takes one maniac to start throwing nukes around.
Obviously both sides would agree on fundamentals like democracy, equal rights, a free but fair economy and more secular societies.
Kim Philby
Read discussionYes franky. Disagreements tend to get out of hand and it only takes one maniac to start throwing nukes around.
Obviously both sides would agree on fundamentals like democracy, equal rights, a free but fair economy and more secular societies.
Kim Philby
Regarding the Bulgarian pipeline, there is already another pipeline heading into north Europe, much of it by undersea pipe that is being laid from a floating assembly rig. amazing piece of engineering. I believe it will come online this year or next, so the idea that the EU is dependent on Ukraine for Gas is soon to be avoided.
The UN and Russia did a deal. Russia demanded that Ukraine was out of bounds, they did not want US influence on their border let alone US weapons. That the US/EU provoked the current situation has led to calculable outcomes. This was a predictable mess.
Why provoke Russia? The US has foreign policy record of keeping its enemies busy and keeping war/global problems as far away from the US as possible. You could look at the Ukraine situation as Putin's punishment for supporting Assad and Iran.
Read discussionThe UN and Russia did a deal. Russia demanded that Ukraine was out of bounds, they did not want US influence on their border let alone US weapons. That the US/EU provoked the current situation has led to calculable outcomes. This was a predictable mess.
Why provoke Russia? The US has foreign policy record of keeping its enemies busy and keeping war/global problems as far away from the US as possible. You could look at the Ukraine situation as Putin's punishment for supporting Assad and Iran.
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frankyscouser · 22 Jul 2014 18:29
frankyscouser · 22 Jul 2014 18:29Hey guys great posts and views, I will play devils advocate and ask,
would you guys prefer that the east and west agreed with each other on major policies?
Read discussionwould you guys prefer that the east and west agreed with each other on major policies?
Reply · frankyscouser · 22 Jul 2014 17:13
frankyscouser · 22 Jul 2014 17:13Personally I like Ron Paul for the reason he never wanted to get involved at any time in the middle east, his haters claim he is against gay and black people, I am not sure if that's true , it could be part of a hate campaign because he is against the involvement in the middle east.
Read discussion22 Jul 2014 17:10:29
Ryan, I think someone has suggested that this afternoon.
Sflfc. I quite agree. Both sides are as bad as each other in demonising each other and eroding civil liberties.
I like America too. Sad to see the current state of affairs under puppet Obama.
Kim Philby
Read discussionRyan, I think someone has suggested that this afternoon.
Sflfc. I quite agree. Both sides are as bad as each other in demonising each other and eroding civil liberties.
I like America too. Sad to see the current state of affairs under puppet Obama.
Kim Philby
KP don't apologise for being passionate. Terrific post by SF. We are not getting even close to the truth on this one. Who stands to gain from this the most? I'm waiting for someone to suggest NATO troops go in to 'keep the peace'. 'Protect the innocent civilians'. I could write Obama's speech for him.
Ryan.
Read discussionRyan.
In fairness Kim, I am absolutely not saying that Putin is a good bloke and his suppression of opponents is definitely up there with some of the monsters of the past. Then again, the erosion of human rights / freedoms in many Western countries since the 9/11 event is not good either. Snowdon did the World a huge favour in that regard.
As for America, I love America and the country is fantastic. It has been a while since my last visit but I can't wait to get over there again. The problem is that their government (or is the government a puppet?) are stirring up trouble all over the World and people are not aware of it.
So a strong Russia is probably good for the World (as it puts the brakes on US aspirations) and Putin has definitely strengthen Russia but at what cost to some of the Russian people who were against him?
SF
Read discussionAs for America, I love America and the country is fantastic. It has been a while since my last visit but I can't wait to get over there again. The problem is that their government (or is the government a puppet?) are stirring up trouble all over the World and people are not aware of it.
So a strong Russia is probably good for the World (as it puts the brakes on US aspirations) and Putin has definitely strengthen Russia but at what cost to some of the Russian people who were against him?
SF
22 Jul 2014 11:40:55
Young Kenny I had the mispleasure of working with Putin in the 80s. I believe I am well placed to judge his character. The man is no ones puppet.
Sflfc. Yes Putin has taken a weakened Russia and is making her strong again. At the same time civil liberties are slowly being eroded. The situation is reminiscent of the rise of the fascist dictatorships.
If you think western news is biased try Russian media its far worse.
For the record I know full well Russia had nothing to do with mh17. This is obviously manufactured to cause trouble with Russia.
But Putin remains a clear problem. The problem is too many on this site are too blinkered with a hatred of America and think that the other side must be the good guys when both are as bad as others. In both countries civil rights are being eroded. In both countries press freedoms are being eroded and the press turned into propaganda outlets.
The Cold War is back, it won't be cold for long. I worked under one oppressive regime. I don't want to see my country fall back or end up in ruins.
Kim Philby
Read discussionYoung Kenny I had the mispleasure of working with Putin in the 80s. I believe I am well placed to judge his character. The man is no ones puppet.
Sflfc. Yes Putin has taken a weakened Russia and is making her strong again. At the same time civil liberties are slowly being eroded. The situation is reminiscent of the rise of the fascist dictatorships.
If you think western news is biased try Russian media its far worse.
For the record I know full well Russia had nothing to do with mh17. This is obviously manufactured to cause trouble with Russia.
But Putin remains a clear problem. The problem is too many on this site are too blinkered with a hatred of America and think that the other side must be the good guys when both are as bad as others. In both countries civil rights are being eroded. In both countries press freedoms are being eroded and the press turned into propaganda outlets.
The Cold War is back, it won't be cold for long. I worked under one oppressive regime. I don't want to see my country fall back or end up in ruins.
Kim Philby
22 Jul 2014 11:50:57
I get emotive about my country. Apologies.
Sflfc really good questions though.
Kim Philby
Read discussionI get emotive about my country. Apologies.
Sflfc really good questions though.
Kim Philby
Whilst Putin may not be a nice person and not everyone in Russia is behind him, there is clearly an anti-Russia bias in the Western governments and the associated puppet media.
Going back a little bit, the Western allies wanted to overthrow the democratically elected president in Syria (sure, there are questions over the definition of democracy but what country can claim real democracy) so they armed some rebels and caused a civil war. The US apparently wanted to build a gas pipeline through Syria and al-Assad was not supporting so he needed to be removed. Out of interest, a pipeline was the reason the Taliban were removed from Afghanistan too. But for Syria, Putin out maneuvered the West as the main argument was the weapons of mass destruction (where did we hear that before?) and Putin cleverly pulled the rug from under that argument.
Then onto Ukraine. The democratically elected president of Ukraine was not doing what he was supposed to do (he was turning towards Russia rather than the West) so the Western powers funded demonstrations and overthrew the president who is now in exile. Why do the West want Ukraine? Again it is down to gas. Apparently the waters around Crimea are full of gas and the West wanted it. Russia's quick annexation of Crimea means that getting the gas would now require all out war with Russia and that isn't an attractive option so now new plans are required. Did you see, for example, that an approved Russian pipeline through Bulgaria has been held up by the EU? Russia wanted a new corridor for gas into Europe (Ukraine is a little troublesome) and Bulgaria was the chosen route so the EU are now making it difficult. The new plans are showing their heads.
Now onto the unfortunate plane that was shot down by someone. The West has been quick to say it was the Ukrainian pro-Russian self-defense forces that shot the plane down but they have offered no evidence yet. Despite no evidence, the puppet Western media keep churning out the same old rubbish. Some questions:
1. Where is the Spanish air-traffic controller who was working for Ukraine air-traffic control at the time of the crash? He tweeted directly after the crash that a Ukrainian military jet was near the plane when it was shot down. His twitter account has been deleted and the chap has disappeared. Should this not be getting a little more coverage than it is?
2. A Russian general went public yesterday with radar evidence that a Ukrainian jet was tracking the plane but that hasn't been covered by the Western media either. Why? Maybe it doesn't suit the message. The general also provided evidence that Ukraine had a number of BUK launchers in the area and they moved them sharpish after the plane came down.
3. An aviation mathematician has published calculations that indicate that it would have been impossible for a BUK operated by the Ukrainian pro-Russian self-defense forces to have shot down the plane. The calculations don't say that the plane could not have been downed by a BUK but they do indicate that the location of the Ukrainian pro-Russian self-defense forces means they couldn't have done it. That isn't being reported either for some reason.
4. Last night the BBC had a video from the lead Dutch investigator saying that the crash site had been very well preserved but the video was quickly removed and this morning some US expert (not on site) has been saying that we all know that the site has been contaminated by big booted militia trampling all over the evidence. Why does the opinion of a remote expert matter more than the lead Dutch expert on the ground? Maybe the message was not "right". Maybe the Dutch chap was being honest.
Just for the record, I am not Russia (or Ukrainian) but I am from western Europe. I am just sick of the puppet Western press always sticking to a message and not publishing facts that don't suit the message. Look at the Boston bombings, the 7/7 London bombings, 9/11, etc. There are so many examples of the truth being suppressed. And we know that the sheep believe everything they see on TV so control the TV and you control the sheep. Easy.
But Putin has been very quite so I believe he is about to pull another master stroke against the West. As I said at the beginning of my rant, Putin may not be universally approved of in Russia (I didn't like him until recently and I am still against his treatment of some opponents) but he certainly has returned Russia to being a global power. Then again, since the US "got" their nemesis (Osama bin Laden), they need a new nemesis and Russia (or the USSR) filled that role excellently for many years so why not again? Maybe this is bigger than Putin and the West.
Read discussionGoing back a little bit, the Western allies wanted to overthrow the democratically elected president in Syria (sure, there are questions over the definition of democracy but what country can claim real democracy) so they armed some rebels and caused a civil war. The US apparently wanted to build a gas pipeline through Syria and al-Assad was not supporting so he needed to be removed. Out of interest, a pipeline was the reason the Taliban were removed from Afghanistan too. But for Syria, Putin out maneuvered the West as the main argument was the weapons of mass destruction (where did we hear that before?) and Putin cleverly pulled the rug from under that argument.
Then onto Ukraine. The democratically elected president of Ukraine was not doing what he was supposed to do (he was turning towards Russia rather than the West) so the Western powers funded demonstrations and overthrew the president who is now in exile. Why do the West want Ukraine? Again it is down to gas. Apparently the waters around Crimea are full of gas and the West wanted it. Russia's quick annexation of Crimea means that getting the gas would now require all out war with Russia and that isn't an attractive option so now new plans are required. Did you see, for example, that an approved Russian pipeline through Bulgaria has been held up by the EU? Russia wanted a new corridor for gas into Europe (Ukraine is a little troublesome) and Bulgaria was the chosen route so the EU are now making it difficult. The new plans are showing their heads.
Now onto the unfortunate plane that was shot down by someone. The West has been quick to say it was the Ukrainian pro-Russian self-defense forces that shot the plane down but they have offered no evidence yet. Despite no evidence, the puppet Western media keep churning out the same old rubbish. Some questions:
1. Where is the Spanish air-traffic controller who was working for Ukraine air-traffic control at the time of the crash? He tweeted directly after the crash that a Ukrainian military jet was near the plane when it was shot down. His twitter account has been deleted and the chap has disappeared. Should this not be getting a little more coverage than it is?
2. A Russian general went public yesterday with radar evidence that a Ukrainian jet was tracking the plane but that hasn't been covered by the Western media either. Why? Maybe it doesn't suit the message. The general also provided evidence that Ukraine had a number of BUK launchers in the area and they moved them sharpish after the plane came down.
3. An aviation mathematician has published calculations that indicate that it would have been impossible for a BUK operated by the Ukrainian pro-Russian self-defense forces to have shot down the plane. The calculations don't say that the plane could not have been downed by a BUK but they do indicate that the location of the Ukrainian pro-Russian self-defense forces means they couldn't have done it. That isn't being reported either for some reason.
4. Last night the BBC had a video from the lead Dutch investigator saying that the crash site had been very well preserved but the video was quickly removed and this morning some US expert (not on site) has been saying that we all know that the site has been contaminated by big booted militia trampling all over the evidence. Why does the opinion of a remote expert matter more than the lead Dutch expert on the ground? Maybe the message was not "right". Maybe the Dutch chap was being honest.
Just for the record, I am not Russia (or Ukrainian) but I am from western Europe. I am just sick of the puppet Western press always sticking to a message and not publishing facts that don't suit the message. Look at the Boston bombings, the 7/7 London bombings, 9/11, etc. There are so many examples of the truth being suppressed. And we know that the sheep believe everything they see on TV so control the TV and you control the sheep. Easy.
But Putin has been very quite so I believe he is about to pull another master stroke against the West. As I said at the beginning of my rant, Putin may not be universally approved of in Russia (I didn't like him until recently and I am still against his treatment of some opponents) but he certainly has returned Russia to being a global power. Then again, since the US "got" their nemesis (Osama bin Laden), they need a new nemesis and Russia (or the USSR) filled that role excellently for many years so why not again? Maybe this is bigger than Putin and the West.
Got to say in my humble opinion, I'm more worried about the people he's against (eu/us/nato). If he's even against them (eu/us/nato) got a feeling though, he's in bed with em all. At least Putin is takin it slow, whereas ol united states of aggression is steamrolling through the planet getting involved in everything and hitting the trigger asap, and to a lesser degree Israel is boasting about murdering people. To me that is a much bigger problem!
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Kim - you say you have no allegiance but your comment comes across as very sympathetic towards Israel. How can you say it's the Palestinians who are the ones dragging this war on? As far as I'm concerned it was their land and they have the right to defend it. How would any of us like it if someone just came and took our house and we had to 'accept it'?
Read discussionI'm not so sure that Putin is the captain of his own ship, so to speak, merely the facade.
Read discussionI concur.
Harold
Read discussionHarold
This is horrific and I hope we find the true cause of this, gut feeling is that the West has done Russia up like a kipper but who knows.
Just a quick mention being a Newcastle fan the response from Sunderland has been fantastic as well as other clubs in the region goes to show there is good in the world
Jonty
Read discussionJust a quick mention being a Newcastle fan the response from Sunderland has been fantastic as well as other clubs in the region goes to show there is good in the world
Jonty