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Reply · Not Registered · 05 Mar 2014 17:43
05 Mar 2014 18:42:59
Ah lots to say.

Ryan actually I agree, this been coming for awhile. The Black Sea fleet traditionally was the elite of the navy and happen to be based in Crimea. VP has indeed seen his chance. Russia is the strongest it has been in 20 years and the Americans are over committed elsewhere.

I also agree on your theory of an eu fastrack for the west.

Franky, the west has value. True the east is the industrial centre, but who knows, people value different things.

Ryan, all the best chess players are Russian;) I can't remember if he plays or not but I bet I would be a tough opponent.

One last thing. Remember Zari said he thought the Russians would go after the Chechen terrorists after the Olympics. What if this was a way to get the military on stand by, combat ready, close to the area of operations without arousing suspicion or even distracting everyone. You forget doctrine of maskirovka.

Kim Philby
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Reply · Not Registered · 05 Mar 2014 16:43
Would have liked to have continued the discussion early this morning but the small matter of sleep and work got in the way.

The UK clearly do not view the situation as serious. We have not severed financial links with Russia (the only real way the rest of the world can respond) and have continued to push ahead with an £82m sale of guns and ammo.
Now that's not much of a punishment eh?

Eric.
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Reply · Not Registered · 05 Mar 2014 15:52
Maybe too much dairy and particularly cheese no name poster who gets blocked up nose at night. Also chlorinated water, so if you swim a lot in public pools then that can cause mucus blockage. My clinic is now closed for the day.

Supasub
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Reply · frankyscouser · 05 Mar 2014 13:39
It may well split up in to two but nato/usa are only interested east of the ukraine as the west has no real value.
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Reply · Not Registered · 05 Mar 2014 12:58
I agree with you on that Franky for sure. I think Nato and US won't be able to do much though. As Eric said the US actions in the middle east leave little room for them to take the moral high ground.

KP will probably disagree with me on this, but I think this was coming ever since the Ukraine got independence. Unfortunately Putin just saw his chance and took it. But it's going to be impossible for Ukraine not to split in two now. What will be interesting a few years down the road will be to see if the new smaller Ukraine is fast tracked into the EU. It would be the best way to ensure that part of it at least is kept from Putin's grasp.

All the best pal.

Ryan.
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Reply · Not Registered · 05 Mar 2014 11:21
I get bad allergies in my home but I have no idea what it is, my nose is always blocked at night. really annoying because I have no idea what it is that's doing it.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 05 Mar 2014 11:21
Just read it jonty weird, I thought I have heard or read that if you eat or drink too much even good things then it can be bad for you?
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Reply · frankyscouser · 05 Mar 2014 10:57
No worries Ryan and you are right I was trying to use a hypothetical situation. what I am trying to say is is another country wants to be on the doorstep like NATO/USA in the Ukraine then the Russians are going to get paranoid about it, I will use a different example, Scotland runs itself and moves itself from English constraints then china want to plough money in to Scotland you can bet any money Westminster are not going to be bothered,
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Reply · Not Registered · 05 Mar 2014 00:56
Sorry to correct you Franky but there is no such country as Southern Ireland. Nothing personal pal, but when will English people dispense with this misguided notion?

And the last time we had hired mercenaries in Ireland they were called the`Black and Tans' who were essentially a gang of Charlie Bronsons who wreaked havoc here. They were a gang of hardened criminals who terrorised and murdered the people of Ireland on behalf of Britain.

I'm not trying to get at you Franky, you are the heartbeat of this site, and I have enormous respect for you, but I felt the need to say that.

Ryan.
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Reply · Not Registered · 04 Mar 2014 23:54
There is a bigger problem between Japan and China over a small Island than what's happening in the Ukraine, if you have mad people in charge, sooner or later the
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Reply · frankyscouser · 04 Mar 2014 23:09
Sorry Eric I have to disagree, the incident may be small in relative terms but the location of the protest/riots is huge, I think the british would be pretty pissed off if there were hired mercenaries who burnt and rioted in southern Ireland and say china said "we will help you" then basically moved in, can you imagine how downing street would feel?do I feel there will be ww3?no but tensions are high.
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Reply · Not Registered · 04 Mar 2014 23:02
Couldn't agree more Eric. They will posture endlessly and ultimately do nothing.

Ryan.
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Reply · Not Registered · 04 Mar 2014 22:34
The EU may very well crumble in a few years, but not before the US my friend. They are both ultimately pyramid schemes. Start learning Chinese if you want to be relevant in 10-15 years from now.

Ryan.
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Reply · Not Registered · 04 Mar 2014 22:34
I doubt that the situation will escalate much further. Russia is merely flexing its muscle, reminding folk that if necessary, they will take care of their interests. by their rules. An all out offensive by Russia would be met with world wide condemnation, however, the incident is just too small for there to be an East vs West military conflict.

The UK and the US aren't really in a position to offer opinion since they declared war on and took residence in two countries that were no threat to their respective nations or nationals, all of which was based on a home grown lie.

Eric
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Reply · Not Registered · 04 Mar 2014 20:34
The eu will crumble in a few years so there will be nothing to join, how many nations already bank rupt
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Reply · Not Registered · 04 Mar 2014 14:51
There is a thread on David Icke's site all about whether Jackie shot JFJK, there is a guy called Rodin on there who has done some extensive work on the theory. I would highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in the subject although some of it is a bit too technical/scientific for me:

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148254

Padawan.
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Reply · Henrys Cat · 03 Mar 2014 17:39
Agreed Franky, this could get very messy indeed and unfortunately we signed the treaty with America on Ukraine independence I believe, does not bode well at all
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