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Jones is like mar mite and I don't agree with him on a lot of things, he puts the information out that he gets without really checking it out and there is prob a lot of dis info he gets that he puts out, maybe its because his show is getting bigger and he needs to put anything out without any real substance, I liked the early A JONES when he made many documentary's about waco and he spent a while on that subject (well worth a look at on youtube)

Hi zari,

"There is no need to engage the establishment, all one needs to do is disentangle themselves from its tentacles and watch the structure tumble"

Can you expand on this, in terms of practical or tangible actions? Do you mean not voting, not using banks, going 'off grid' in terms of energy supply etc?

Thanks, Harold

Thank you for the clarification ed033.

This is a list, compiled by felipesparx29, of people covering various aspects of this subject for those interested:
dean clifford
santos bonacci
max igan
jordan maxwell
chris/barnone11970
kate of gaia
dave/sensidave82
bill donahue
kurt kallenbach

Do you know of them ed033? You were the one that suggested Dean Clifford to us, but how about the rest? Your opinion on these matters is highly appreciated.
zari

They are opposite ends of a dualistic system.
The brain is conditioned to think of something oppressive as an inclusive system and mistakenly assumes that with enough effort it can be improved upon. Whereas in reality, the establishment is non inclusive but dependent on those it oppresses.
There is no need to engage the establishment, all one needs to do is disentangle themselves from its tentacles and watch the structure tumble.
zari

I don't think the establishment is evil Melbourne CFC. I think they are insecure.
Rather than observing and imitating the creator who through increased complexity, variety and frequency encourages the perpetual rise of consciousness, they move in the opposite direction.
They lack faith in their fellow man. Exterminating variety, captivating in overcomplexity and resonating with the lowest possible frequencies. They are terrified of loosing the reigns of humanity's chariot to those they do not deem fit to be pioneers. As always, that which is feared comes to be.
zari

I take much of what Alex Jones says with a pinch of salt. He tends to exaggerate and hyperbolise. It's also frustrating how if you disagree with him you're a 'trendy' and how he constantly claims the stuff he says is 'on record' without ever producing a single shred of proof.

He is entertaining though.

Exotiva.

It's an idea shared by Dean Clifford. Ed033 has a better grasp on the subject but I can give it a go and he'll correct me if I am wrong.

The idea is that as human beings we are created by god and are subject only to god's law.
As we are created in god's image we can also be subdivided in the holy trinity.
The holy trinity is comprised by the father/director, the son/beneficiary and the holy ghost/trustee.

The corporate government creates legal persons in our names on the day of our birth, through our live birth records. For that we get a receipt called a birth certificate.
In doing so they become the equity holders/shareholders/beneficiaries of our estates/vessels/bodies and can thus assign their employees/servants/agents as administrators/directors of the legal persons created in our names.
That means that the only role left is that of the trustee/servant/employee. When the government and its employees want us to obey their legal system, all they have to do is ask for a name and government i. d. , and then proceed to assume that we are acting in the capacity of trustee to the other party owned and copyrighted legal person. We have just proven their claim by presenting government i. d. and answering to what we think is our name but in reality is the name of a legal person (registered company).

If you demand your live birth record back, that is the same as reclaiming your property and changing your status from trustee to a legal entity, to beneficiary of a legal entity and thus a sovereign man.
In doing so the laws of man no longer apply to you, unless you engage in contract.
As humans we have unlimited potential, just as god does, and thus we can capitalize on our infiniteness by creating unlimited bonds.

The corporate government practically does the same thing without our knowledge and this is proven in that national debt is calculated as debt per capita.
We are the leverage against which governments borrow money. The projected wealth we are likely to produce in our lives is calculated in derivatives and capitalized.
I do not know the procedure for getting self issued bonds officially recognized and Dean Clifford suggests no one goes down that road unless they know what they are doing.
zari

In regards to bullet speed being reversely analogous to water penetration you could read this:
Ballistic waves in high-speed water entry - http://www.me.utexas.edu/~longoria/research/papers/Lee1997.pdf
(I haven't read it myself though)

or watch this:
Mythbusters Bullet Proof Water -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1uaLWAZXfk

(never thought I'd be sharing mythbusters as a reliable source)

As for the underwater bases perhaps this book could prove useful:
"Underwater and Underground Bases" by Richard Sauder.
There are some videos of him on youtube but I don't know if he covers the subject of underwater bases in any of them.
What triangles are you referring to?
zari

16 Feb 2014 23:11:33
They are interchangeable, one runs the other.

Kim Philby

Have seen it before zari, and its a very sad truth. Only strengthens the argument of the system is evil.

Melbourne CFC

Agree with what you are saying Kim, except on the use of the word system.
System: an assemblage or combination of things or parts forming a complex or unitary whole
Establishment: the existing power structure in society; the dominant groups in society and their customs or institutions; institutional authority
zari

16 Feb 2014 17:06:35
Yes good way to kill someone, throw them from plane at right height, body reaches velocity and breaks apart on hitting water as its like hitting concrete. Favourite with those charming boys from the Kibbutz.

Do you have any data on bullet penetration? I laugh at these Hollywood films that show bullets zipping through water when in fact it causes them to tumble.

Which bases? Does this explain the triangles?

Kim Philby

16 Feb 2014 16:40:19
It is the system at fault, it was insanity to offer mortgages at 5 times peoples incomes! Yes these people went in eyes open but who expected things to go so bad, most normal people do not follow economic history. Even those paid to ignored or did not notice. I predicted this mess back in 2003, as it always happens. Economics is cyclical, bad follows good after a period of excess. People got greedy and it collapsed. But it was the system that caused this. Look at how the system creates demands. You must buy a new car as your neighbours have a better one, you must have a holiday to this years fashionable place, your must have expensive shoes, you are a loser if you do not buy these things. The system creates the demand and pushes easy money with things hidden in small print. People generally are naive and trust the system not thinking it will turn on them.

Kim Philby

No point in trying ed. Some people are so crippled by their insecurities that they will believe anything they need to, to justify their actions.

No longer able to face reality through sober eyes, to reflect on their selves, they'd rather maintain their illusions and will fight to prevent their dissolution.

With heads screwed on their shoulders
surrendered slaves move
their self-hate being unbearable
they share with me and you.
zari

Hi zari, any chance you could elaborate further on those bonds? Thanks
RJ30

I do, I work in the banking industry, so please don't say I no nothing about the subject or that I lie, I'm the expert compared to you. My brother was also subject to fraud and the amount was refunded in 10 working days. So I have experience of both side. The problem with you ed is that when ever you don't agree with somebodies opinion you just trash talk them. Your faceless so you feel that you can say what ever, whenever with no come back. I've seen it before many of times on here. What makes you the expert on so many things.

Red I was not boasting far from it, when the crash happened in 2008 we thought about buying our council home as my wife had a very well paid job, we decided not to thank God, to cut a long story short my wife's firm went bust and she got made redundant and we had a load of creditors at our door, my advice is for people who are struggling!

Ed, I was only talking about the uk, the us is entirely different. You talk about credit card fraud and that the banks will chase the easiest route, well you have your facts wrongs. Checks and investigations are wrong. If your card is used somewhere, say Manchester, but you can prove your location was else where, the you have an easy claim. I have seen this hundreds of times and the claim process could not be easier. Since the launch of the FCA, banking regulations have clamped down, however individuals have to take some responsibility. For frank to boast how easy it is to become bankrupt makes me sick. Why should he run up debt, buy his items then not pay for them. What would happen if we all did that. Why don't you lend me 10k and then I tell you to go jump for it because I can't afford to pay you back, even though I was aware of the repayments at the start. I fully appreciate that some people are in debt through circumstances out side of their control, but some think that it is just a game.

There have been multiple informative links posted on this site regarding the subject, by eds and other posters.
Please look into the subject and don't take anyone's opinions as personal truth. Venting personal frustrations in the wrong direction is a dividing factor, united we overcome.
Reject the conditioning of establishment propaganda and the indoctrination of authority labeled pawns.

Of the top of my head I would recommend:

Money masters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpO-WBz_mw

Silent weapons for quiet wars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_38tsQ4p0I

Money as debt series
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_IgcmsqnVM
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6uuAupT4AQ

I am sure others can provide links as well.
zari

People need to take responsibility for there own mistakes. It's to easy to say the banks should not loan the money, however people are fully aware of the implications before they accept. The I terest charged the amount you have to repair and the total cost of the borrowing is made clear before you sign up. The government is not to blame for everything. Wake up and smell the coffee. Take ownership of your own mistakes. The problem with this country is that it is all too easy to blame someone else, be it the banks the government etc. you borrowed the money you pay it back. If you can not afford it don't buy it and if you do take out a loan, pay that back. Simple