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I seen it Frankie! He did raise some valid points! Half way through it though I got the impression some one was giving him his answers through an ear piece! I may be wrong but the answers he gave were top notch compared to anyone else on the panel!

RR!

Russell brand on MSNBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADJhErmJuoQ

You say we don't live in an ideal world and then say the victims family should decide their fate, a tad hypocritical, I think the most important part of the death penalty question can be tied into the good lord jesus' quote 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone', that even with the realization that it isn't an ideal world should we forsake any morality and go back to living like animals or realise that the system has to protect the offender aswell as the victim particularly if that offender knows the inner workings of the machine or helps to oil it with vast wealth. As for those who think prison is a holiday camp murderers, rapists, peodos are all housed in category A wings where they spend 23 hours a day in solitary confinement the mental torture of that is enough to break any man and for the guy who thinks prisoners should do hard labour you should move to the good ole us of a where they run a slave economy of prisoners who make a substancial contribution to the gdp of said country. i'm quite dissapointed to find so many conservative viewpoints on fairly liberal openminded website

To even take the chance of raping a child and knowing there is a death penalty proves they will do it no matter what, as for they might dispose of the body to get away with it, well I am no expert but a few people who are experts claim that some commit the sexual act then threw the years the buzz wears off then they get there sexual fantasy of killing kids, as for shaming them?really shame them?
we do not live in a ideal world in fact we live in a harsh world and if it means executing dangerous people who prey on the vulnerable then so be it.

Well the victims or the victims family should have the finale say in my opinion.

Has anyone heard of a book called the protocols of the elders of zion. I have watched a peice on it on youtube but the guy who does the talking sounds creepy. I wonder if any of you guys have any info or an opinion on it. cheers.

{Ed033's Note - It doesn't matter whether the protocols of the elders of zion are fake or not, if you read them then each protocol is already in place anyway now.

Edd033 can I ask for your opinion on this?

{Ed033's Note - I don't know what the exact question is but probably most pedos appear to be protected and the higher up in society you are, the more protection there is. Police regularly investigate pedo rings then are told to leave them alone.

But saying that, once caught and sent to trial, should a jury have the free choice of the punishment?

Russell Brand and Boris Johnson on Question Time, there you go mate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0AanDR-_0

I don't believe it is still allowed for treason i'm pretty sure it was changed to life in prison

{Ed033's Note - We have common law treason and we have the treason act (prison)

I definitely think that work farms should be brought back. Prisoners should no longer be allowed to sit in their jail cells playing video games. they should instead spend their days carrying out hard work which contributes to society. I'm not talking about community service programmes kind of work, I'm talking about chains and pick axes kind of work, like in years gone by. The productivity from this work may go some way to covering the huge costs of housing inmates and can act as a deterrent for offenders. The whole cushy prison lifestyle is a joke and a mockery to the victims of crime.

{Ed033's Note - boot camps for teenage offenders

If your gunna say give the death penalty to peodophiles surely that will encourage them to kill their victims to remove evidence, I think those advocating killing anyone should stepback and realise that it is seperating yourself from those who commit violent or child sexual acts and shaming them into the realization that what they do is wrong and that theyl have to live with it, it is this that provides the moral authority that can be the basis for a society that takes responsibility for its actions. MLK and ghandi proved this and humiliated those who treated them so abbhorantly.

Exactly Rise & Shine it still happens in America! I mean death row is an absoloute joke! Making a man wait some over 40 years to then be executed! Crazy I believe in justice but an eye for an eye just doesn't work!

RR!

Got a link Franky?

If the death penalty can't be agreed upon in this country here is a solution. This country has quite a few empty islands in the North Sea why don't we drop all the Paedos, child killers, Nonces etc off and leave them to get on with it. It would save this country a fortune. They could all scavenge about for food and kill each other off. Job Done.

I think all of us have a problem with a pedophile act and the sentencing or lack off and sorry edd I do not see it as desensitizing the masses why the majority want justice, I class myself as a peaceful no fight no war type of guy but some things are unforgivable and the people who commit these acts are not human in my opinion and what makes more sure is, if I feel this strongly now when nothing like this has happened to me or my loved ones then if it ever happened then I think I could execute the nonce personally, what gets me mad as well is why the segregation inside? I have been to prison to visit a few people over the years and the protection they get is unreal, I will give you a story, a mate of mine was inside and a rival from the circles he works in got transferred to his wing, well everyone knew what was going to happen including the screws but they let the dice roll and my mate got stabbed, of course no one seen anything but that's the way it is, pedos get protected from the off I say let the dice roll no segregation
if the death penalty is not everyone's cup of tea then let them pay their price inside always in fear.

Rr agreed we need to be a 100% sure, mentioning a case from africa is not relevant, a 3rd world country sentencing anyone to the death penalty would make me wary, the high profile cases today as a example Stuart hall/saville/bridger I have nothing but contempt for what they have done and everyone effected to those victims are never going to be the same.
me now I would still go for the death penalty even in halls case, age should not change everyone's views as age never changed his views when he molested those kids.
right my interpretation of who should get the death penalty is the young disabled and elderly to open it to everyone who kills opens a can of worms like self defense.
finally the "let him have it " movie if I can remember it was the interpretation of the "let him have it" was the main reasons he got hanged, the kid who instructed him to let him have it claimed he wanted the guy to hand over his gun to the copper, the accused claimed he was egged on by the kid to shoot the copper and in to the mix the accused had a mental age of 12 or 13 I think? like I said that opens a can of worms that's why I would go for the death penalty for the vulnerable.

I've been ranting on about bringing back the death penalty for years. All the do gooders that stopped this for the human right issues and what not makes me livid. With DNA as good a 100% accurate and youve got a murderer bang to rights sorry IMO its as the good book says eye for an eye. This would take care of a lot of issues and any sane person would think about the ramifications if caught.

{Ed033's Note - I think they want you to think that DNA testing is as good as 100% reliable but allegedly it isn't any where near.

Also one of the reasons the death penalty was stopped was because people on juries were finding people innocent of death penalty crimes because they didn't want a death on their conscience. Obviously it's different nowadays, now that nearly everyone has been desensitised to killing other people through schooling / movies / tv and video games.

The reason they first started schooling for the masses in the early 1800s was because they found out that a lot of ordinary people who were in the army in the 1700s, missed on purpose when they were firing at the enemy because they didn't want to kill someone else.

^^^^^ what about that bloke in oz raped more than 10 times they let him out an he does it again an killed the girl. so no to the people who think give them help for a better life. do you think with all the help in the world her mother an father will be ok. no they wont. bring that ****er to the towns square an hang him. bring back the death peno. shanks

Yes once and for all found guilty. There should be a further trial weeks to months later to decide death penalty for the guity person (s). I agree with at least child killers and multiple killers. If you had jurys knowing that someone could face the death penalty just by being found guilty initially then there would be more aquittals as many people wouldn't be able to vote a guilty verdict because of the consequences.

Supasub

Also if not the death penalty for persistent peado's maybe just hand them over to the parents.

Supasub