Ryan you eagle eyed mistake spotter lol. Yeah you're right, he isn't a member of the government. In my eyes they're all basically the same though
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Just a small clarification regarding an otherwise interesting post without wanting to seem picky. Gerry adams is a member of the Dail (Irish Parliament) but he is not a member of the Irish government. That privilege belongs to the monstrously arrogant Fianna Gael, and the weak willed Labour party.
Ryan.
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McGuinness and Adams part of the NWO agenda? Seriously mate, I think that's a bit too far fetched even for my sponge-like (maybe gullible) brain.
Martin and Gerry were born in the drab and dreary cities of Belfast and Derry respectively. There is no person on this planet can convince me that they are part of this NWO agenda. They were born into somewhat poverty, viewed as second class citizens in their own country by invaders.
Growing up, like many of us citizens of the North of Ireland, they watched how the simple aspect of where you lived and which religion you followed could have got you, or your family murdered.
They were both members of the 'RA', although it is still disputed just how involved they were. They watched British soldiers take 'pot shots' and create mayhem by killing children in Derry on (Bloody Sunday). They became members of a paramilitary organisation, in the hope that they could claim back their country which was taken from their fellow countrymen before.
'The Troubles' as people like to refer to it, was a continuation of a war that started long before the 70's. After much (too much if you ask me) bloodshed, both here and in mainland Britain, Sinn Fein decided that party politics was the way forward. After more lies from the British government, empty promises, and even lies to the Nationalist people from their own 'spokesmen'. Splinter groups of a Republican mindset have popped up all over the show, there is no real peace on this island. Growing up, most people of the Catholic religion, wanted, as we say "Brits Out". The rest wanted to stay part of Britain. It's still the same.
Adams is now part of the government in the South of Ireland. McGuinness is the deputy minister of the North. Two former top 'Provos' in high positions of government on the island of Ireland. The only agenda they have, is to have a united Ireland again.
However, now even the Nationalists of our country are at logger-heads, they believe Sinn Fein sold us out. Catholic policemen have been blown-up and shot to death as they are viewed as collaborators of Britain.
The country is still in dis-array, and I fear it always will be while Britain still has it's mitts on it. So to say 'The Troubles' were a method of creating fear or control is plain stupid. The stuff going on in this little island has been going on for centuries.
Read discussionMartin and Gerry were born in the drab and dreary cities of Belfast and Derry respectively. There is no person on this planet can convince me that they are part of this NWO agenda. They were born into somewhat poverty, viewed as second class citizens in their own country by invaders.
Growing up, like many of us citizens of the North of Ireland, they watched how the simple aspect of where you lived and which religion you followed could have got you, or your family murdered.
They were both members of the 'RA', although it is still disputed just how involved they were. They watched British soldiers take 'pot shots' and create mayhem by killing children in Derry on (Bloody Sunday). They became members of a paramilitary organisation, in the hope that they could claim back their country which was taken from their fellow countrymen before.
'The Troubles' as people like to refer to it, was a continuation of a war that started long before the 70's. After much (too much if you ask me) bloodshed, both here and in mainland Britain, Sinn Fein decided that party politics was the way forward. After more lies from the British government, empty promises, and even lies to the Nationalist people from their own 'spokesmen'. Splinter groups of a Republican mindset have popped up all over the show, there is no real peace on this island. Growing up, most people of the Catholic religion, wanted, as we say "Brits Out". The rest wanted to stay part of Britain. It's still the same.
Adams is now part of the government in the South of Ireland. McGuinness is the deputy minister of the North. Two former top 'Provos' in high positions of government on the island of Ireland. The only agenda they have, is to have a united Ireland again.
However, now even the Nationalists of our country are at logger-heads, they believe Sinn Fein sold us out. Catholic policemen have been blown-up and shot to death as they are viewed as collaborators of Britain.
The country is still in dis-array, and I fear it always will be while Britain still has it's mitts on it. So to say 'The Troubles' were a method of creating fear or control is plain stupid. The stuff going on in this little island has been going on for centuries.
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frankyscouser · 18 Jun 2013 21:37Listen I agree with a lot of what you say and if I had the choice I would probably trust a Russian politician than a american one but let's not sugar coat it the Russians have been a superpower and may be still one, but to say Russia and the soviet union are not the same is a cop out, ww2 millions died Russia sorry the soviet union gained the eastern block for financial gains in the 90s the soviet union tried to invade Afghanistan, and if I wanted to be picky I could say the last time england invaded anyone was over a 100 years.
let me be clear I do not trust 99.99% of governments.
Read discussionlet me be clear I do not trust 99.99% of governments.
The saddest thing about the famine is that there really wasn't a famine. Another case of history being written by the winners. No other crops were affected, the blight was exclusive to the potato, and there would have been plenty of food to go around had most of it not been exported.
The population of Ireland was around 8.5 million when the so called famine started. When you consider England's population was about 16 million at the same time, it is not unreasonable to consider that the population of Ireland today would be in the region of 25 million, as opposed to about 6 million currently for the 32 counties.
So when you think about what is written on the Georgia Guidestones relating to reducing the world's population to 500 million, it doesn't seem either a new or far fetched idea when you look at it in the context of mid 19th century Ireland, and what is commonly known as the famine, but was really just the deliberate starvation of a nation.
Ryan.
Read discussionThe population of Ireland was around 8.5 million when the so called famine started. When you consider England's population was about 16 million at the same time, it is not unreasonable to consider that the population of Ireland today would be in the region of 25 million, as opposed to about 6 million currently for the 32 counties.
So when you think about what is written on the Georgia Guidestones relating to reducing the world's population to 500 million, it doesn't seem either a new or far fetched idea when you look at it in the context of mid 19th century Ireland, and what is commonly known as the famine, but was really just the deliberate starvation of a nation.
Ryan.
Agreed Murp, there was a blight, but the Brits created the famine. All sorts of grain and livestock were available to the indigenous people, but the settlers, landlords, and politicians decided they would ship this produce abroad.
Read discussionSo if some 1 killed 5 members of your family you wouldn want him to be killed you would just like him to rot in a cell (with his xbox1 or Ps4 an pool table an dart board?
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The NWO is an idea created by a few people, it's a long term business plan, Intergenerational that's 100's maybe even 1000's of years old, at the top there is a few, they are the teachers, the one with Knowledge (Knowledge is power, money is nothing) what you see with Putin, ect is the lower rankers just trying to get their small share of the future. IMO
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Ireland has always been hammered, look at the so called potato famine, the English used Irelands crop for the troops in their overseas wars and the royal households, yes there was a blight problem, but not as big as we were told about, the English had troops guarding the crops and plan facts are this!
This was Genocide just like the Highland clearance but folk have short memorys eh?
Nothing has changed, it's just a little more slick these days.
Murp
Read discussionThis was Genocide just like the Highland clearance but folk have short memorys eh?
Nothing has changed, it's just a little more slick these days.
Murp
I was talking about Iraq, like all the Syrian armed Jihadists crossing the Syrian border into Iraq.
With tacit Russian support probably.
How do we know the Russian military hasn't done anything in Syria? It took how many years to find out the true Russian involvement in the Korean war.
Read discussionWith tacit Russian support probably.
How do we know the Russian military hasn't done anything in Syria? It took how many years to find out the true Russian involvement in the Korean war.
A week before the elections I checked out the who was running for this elelction and guess what, the bilderberg guys were wanting Hassan Rowhani, so there you go.
Murp
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Russia wants to Stop the NWO as once the NWO has encircled Russia and China its WW3 and people in the west would be wise to see this!
Russia does not have substancial assets in north Korea, what are these major assets!
It was Putin who told North Korea to shut up with the rhetoric. Sergei Lavrov had a pain in his aspe with N. Korea as its close to Russia and they did not want america near any of its borders.
China has assets in North Korea though and is much more influential in and Korea than Russia!
Of course Russia was protecting its assets in Syria, Russia has a naval base in Syria and close ties to Syria defending one of your partners does not make a country a Gangster country.
China and Russia have close ties as has India and Russia. While China and India don't get along (china supports Pakistan) that's politics.
to me I look at the USA and Russia as two gangstas the USA need more money and need to shake down more countries
The US is not only looking for Money its looking for influence.
Why was the Col. In Lybia Killed?
Simple he wanted to do away with the dollar for oil and he wanted other countries to come along with him. This would be terrible for the USA both in money and influence terms.
and Russia who have plenty and do not need to create wars for money but will screw anyone over if it can get away with it.
Russia could get away with "screwing over many countries" as you have put it - if it wanted to - but it chooses not to do this. Why? The Russians actually want peace but are not afraid of war.
How many countries has Russia invaded?
To my knowledge the last time russia invaded a country was about 200 years ago. (Russia and the Soviet Union are not the same).
Russia did not start the war with Georgia, Georgia attacked Russians based in enclaves in Georgia and under the Russian constitution Russia must come to aid its people no matter where they are in the world.
Russia has tropps in Syria ready to evacuate thousands of Russian Citizens should the need arise and they will take out any forces that get in their way to accomplish this if they have to. (Special forces don't come better than the Spetsnaz).
Russia has bad press and they don't help themsevles I have endured Russian BS and its not funny. America is constantly telling us how bad they the Russians are for instance a ball player in america who met putin while in George Bush's company many years ago who gave putin his winning ring is now many years later telling the press Putin Stole his ring. I am sure Putin must be Laughing his aspe off.
Of course there are bad Russians there are bad people in every country but where is the Russian aggression towards other countries?
Who are the countries threatened by Russia?
Russia could have done a real number on Georgia but stopped.
Where is the russian invasion map its easy to see the american invasion map just get an atlas and look at where the wars are happening in the world
As for no democracy in Russia its a huge country covers about one tenth of the world's land surface. Russia can be a dangerous hostile place and soft goverence would result in anarchy in Russia, most russian people know Russia needs a firm hand of control.
Where is the democracy in america the american people who were occupying wall street were beaten and sent to prision for this what different to Russia?
America is just better with the press russia cares less.
All those Russian haters should go to Russia its a great adventure, there are plenty of helpful, nice russians and dangerous ones too. If you are nice to the Russians generally they will be nice to you but if you insult them well generally they don't take kindly to mother russia being slagged off.
I have huge respect for the russians as I have for people in most countries. I like the american people its their government that is the problem!
Read discussionRussia does not have substancial assets in north Korea, what are these major assets!
It was Putin who told North Korea to shut up with the rhetoric. Sergei Lavrov had a pain in his aspe with N. Korea as its close to Russia and they did not want america near any of its borders.
China has assets in North Korea though and is much more influential in and Korea than Russia!
Of course Russia was protecting its assets in Syria, Russia has a naval base in Syria and close ties to Syria defending one of your partners does not make a country a Gangster country.
China and Russia have close ties as has India and Russia. While China and India don't get along (china supports Pakistan) that's politics.
to me I look at the USA and Russia as two gangstas the USA need more money and need to shake down more countries
The US is not only looking for Money its looking for influence.
Why was the Col. In Lybia Killed?
Simple he wanted to do away with the dollar for oil and he wanted other countries to come along with him. This would be terrible for the USA both in money and influence terms.
and Russia who have plenty and do not need to create wars for money but will screw anyone over if it can get away with it.
Russia could get away with "screwing over many countries" as you have put it - if it wanted to - but it chooses not to do this. Why? The Russians actually want peace but are not afraid of war.
How many countries has Russia invaded?
To my knowledge the last time russia invaded a country was about 200 years ago. (Russia and the Soviet Union are not the same).
Russia did not start the war with Georgia, Georgia attacked Russians based in enclaves in Georgia and under the Russian constitution Russia must come to aid its people no matter where they are in the world.
Russia has tropps in Syria ready to evacuate thousands of Russian Citizens should the need arise and they will take out any forces that get in their way to accomplish this if they have to. (Special forces don't come better than the Spetsnaz).
Russia has bad press and they don't help themsevles I have endured Russian BS and its not funny. America is constantly telling us how bad they the Russians are for instance a ball player in america who met putin while in George Bush's company many years ago who gave putin his winning ring is now many years later telling the press Putin Stole his ring. I am sure Putin must be Laughing his aspe off.
Of course there are bad Russians there are bad people in every country but where is the Russian aggression towards other countries?
Who are the countries threatened by Russia?
Russia could have done a real number on Georgia but stopped.
Where is the russian invasion map its easy to see the american invasion map just get an atlas and look at where the wars are happening in the world
As for no democracy in Russia its a huge country covers about one tenth of the world's land surface. Russia can be a dangerous hostile place and soft goverence would result in anarchy in Russia, most russian people know Russia needs a firm hand of control.
Where is the democracy in america the american people who were occupying wall street were beaten and sent to prision for this what different to Russia?
America is just better with the press russia cares less.
All those Russian haters should go to Russia its a great adventure, there are plenty of helpful, nice russians and dangerous ones too. If you are nice to the Russians generally they will be nice to you but if you insult them well generally they don't take kindly to mother russia being slagged off.
I have huge respect for the russians as I have for people in most countries. I like the american people its their government that is the problem!
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frankyscouser · 18 Jun 2013 12:24I think both of you make valid points, if you look at Russia's stance with china and north Korea and Syria all independent countries they publicly stand behind them, why to stop the nwo?i do not think so, I think it is more to protect their assets, to me I look at the USA and Russia as two gangstas the USA need more money and need to shake down more countries and Russia who have plenty and do not need to create wars for money but will screw anyone over if it can get away with it.
Read discussionIran & syria have a pact to defend each other in times of war so that should be no surprise.
America has created a mess in Syria
Here's why
There are 4 different strands of religion in syria. All may want to be dominant in Syria and that is difficult enough? However many of the rebels are not from exactly the same religious background further complicating the problem. Many unfortunate poeple will die as a result of the mess america made.
Of course its all Putins fault, isn't it? he should have just let america steam roll another country giving the lunatic in-breds in the NWO their way!
Read discussionAmerica has created a mess in Syria
Here's why
There are 4 different strands of religion in syria. All may want to be dominant in Syria and that is difficult enough? However many of the rebels are not from exactly the same religious background further complicating the problem. Many unfortunate poeple will die as a result of the mess america made.
Of course its all Putins fault, isn't it? he should have just let america steam roll another country giving the lunatic in-breds in the NWO their way!
Putin hates the NWO He or Russia is not part of the NWO.
Do a search on you Tube and watch Putin's rant against the NWO
Putin has pointed the finger at the NWO for the collapse of the world's economies what other leader did this?
America and Russia do not play good cop, bad cop
Unless you have lived in Russia its a hard place to understand even if you have lived there (and I have) its difficult to understand the russian psyche unless you really get into the russian mindset.
Have you ever been to Russia?
They care not about the west, their nation state has not been broken down and they are very patriotic, they have a totally different idea of their country then people of the west have of their country.
Of course there is bad is Russia there is bad in the UK or Ireland. I am from the czech republic but live in Ireland for a long time now I consider myself as belonging to both countries.
The stupidy that goes on in Ireland (a NWO country like all eu countries) is astounding but really is it stupidy or is it NWO doctrine? Russia may have other problems but is does not have the NWO stupidity.
If you think there's no difference between Russia and the west you are mistaken.
Everyone knows who runs America and the EU its an open secret, if you do some research you'll know too.
These are not the same people who run Russia.
On occasion Russia and america might work togeaher for example scientists from both countries worked on the gnome project and they work on space projects or rather america relies on Russia to go to space that does not make them NWO buddies.
Even countries that don't like each other sometimes so-operate for money or other reasons and sometimes my enemies enemy is my friend, however that does not cover over fundamental differences.
Read discussionDo a search on you Tube and watch Putin's rant against the NWO
Putin has pointed the finger at the NWO for the collapse of the world's economies what other leader did this?
America and Russia do not play good cop, bad cop
Unless you have lived in Russia its a hard place to understand even if you have lived there (and I have) its difficult to understand the russian psyche unless you really get into the russian mindset.
Have you ever been to Russia?
They care not about the west, their nation state has not been broken down and they are very patriotic, they have a totally different idea of their country then people of the west have of their country.
Of course there is bad is Russia there is bad in the UK or Ireland. I am from the czech republic but live in Ireland for a long time now I consider myself as belonging to both countries.
The stupidy that goes on in Ireland (a NWO country like all eu countries) is astounding but really is it stupidy or is it NWO doctrine? Russia may have other problems but is does not have the NWO stupidity.
If you think there's no difference between Russia and the west you are mistaken.
Everyone knows who runs America and the EU its an open secret, if you do some research you'll know too.
These are not the same people who run Russia.
On occasion Russia and america might work togeaher for example scientists from both countries worked on the gnome project and they work on space projects or rather america relies on Russia to go to space that does not make them NWO buddies.
Even countries that don't like each other sometimes so-operate for money or other reasons and sometimes my enemies enemy is my friend, however that does not cover over fundamental differences.
Taking life would make you just as bad as those you are condemning. Keeping them behind bars for the rest of their lives while having to cover all their expenses isn't smart either. How about forced labor? Building schools, roads, libraries etc. would be a good way to repay society.
Read discussionI read your post mate!
You did not say it was wrong to hate the NWO
But you implied it was dangerous to do so read you own post again!
Read discussionYou did not say it was wrong to hate the NWO
But you implied it was dangerous to do so read you own post again!
And what about when non nationals were crossing the Syrian border to attack british and american troops in iraq. Don't think they should have been there either do you?
Whom exactly do you mean?
Russians, Syrians, Iranians, etc.
I willl presume Syrians, since america started the war, some in syria obviously felt a need to expand the war and bring other countries into conclict or possible conflict!
I know we shouldn't have been there either but Syria stirred the pot enough. And so did Russia.
Only after Syria was attacked first. You think a country should offer no defence and play along with aggressors?
Russia has done nothing with its military in Syria if it did there would be a lot more damage.
And given Putin's human rights record and suppression of the media he's a fine one to talk about tyranny.
So only the west has the moral highground?
You completed don't get the situation!
Why would russia stir the pot?
There was nothing to be gained for Russia in starting this war, if you think Russia started this war, pray tell why?
Russia has a contract to Supply Assad with arms like it or not and syria is an ally of Russia.
Read discussionWhom exactly do you mean?
Russians, Syrians, Iranians, etc.
I willl presume Syrians, since america started the war, some in syria obviously felt a need to expand the war and bring other countries into conclict or possible conflict!
I know we shouldn't have been there either but Syria stirred the pot enough. And so did Russia.
Only after Syria was attacked first. You think a country should offer no defence and play along with aggressors?
Russia has done nothing with its military in Syria if it did there would be a lot more damage.
And given Putin's human rights record and suppression of the media he's a fine one to talk about tyranny.
So only the west has the moral highground?
You completed don't get the situation!
Why would russia stir the pot?
There was nothing to be gained for Russia in starting this war, if you think Russia started this war, pray tell why?
Russia has a contract to Supply Assad with arms like it or not and syria is an ally of Russia.
No EU country is free
Ireland is carrying out the EU instructions the Nation State is being totally broken down
The national media cannot say a bad thing about Merkel or Obama
Shame such a lovely country being destroyed!
Read discussionIreland is carrying out the EU instructions the Nation State is being totally broken down
The national media cannot say a bad thing about Merkel or Obama
Shame such a lovely country being destroyed!
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And what about when non nationals were crossing the Syrian border to attack british and american troops in iraq. Don't think they should have been there either do you? I know we shouldn't have been there either but Syria stirred the pot enough. And so did Russia. And given Putin's human rights record and suppression of the media he's a fine one to talk about tyranny.
Read discussionAnd what about when non nationals were crossing the Syrian border to attack british and american troops in iraq. Don't think they should have been there either do you? I know we shouldn't have been there either but Syria stirred the pot enough. And so did Russia. And given Putin's human rights record and suppression of the media he's a fine one to talk about tyranny.