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Cheers for the tip about the book edd its not just war or any subject I find interesting its the whistleblowers themselves that interest me, are they doing it for the right reasons, are they trying to put disinfo out is it a money/fame thing? no doubt good people have had accidents or have the urge to commit suicide while trying to get the truth out, its a complex subject. pity they did not teach this at school then I might have got interested instead of leaving school classed as thick (rant over lol)

frankyscouse {Ed002's Note - Ellsberg did it for resons he thought were right.}

I really don't know what to think, being a catholic its the first pope I can think off to resign and when john paul the second was gravely ill for years he never resigned, it is strange but I would have to look a bit more in to it before I had a opinion.

frankyscouse

Daniel Ellsberg, a top military strategist working for the RAND Corporation, leaked a 7000-page documents about false flags nixon watergate etc etc is one of those people he was pro war in Vietnam even thou he knew something was shady going on, he them meets he's g/f who is in the civil rights movement and they start dating but with there opposing views on the war and friends of there's suspicious they ended there relationship, as ellsberg carried on with he's job he noticed how corrupt and deceitful the military and nixon was and he's conscious gets the better of him and he gets back with he's g/f and tells her what's going on, in the end one man leaks stuff about nixon, ellsberg was called the most dangerous man in america. drifting off my point edd but there must be people imo playing the game then leaking bits out like ellsberg.

frankyscouse {Ed002's Note - I remember well the RAND Corp papers and Ellsberg who had provided information to the Post, his subsequent trial and G Gordon Liddy's claims. I not sure about the Civil Rights Movement links but he did move out to Berkeley after the trial and as far as I know is still in the Bay Area. The Civil Rights Movement was not really a big deal in the Bay Area - we the Vietnam Day Committee dealing with the wars and the Brothers in the Black Panthers taking care of themselves down in Oakland. I recommend Ellsberg's book "Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers" if it is a subject that interests you. War has many things that attempts are made to cover up and Vietnam a lot more than most. Attempts made to cover up the events at My Lai and what Hugh Thompson did proved little more than an embarrassment. There is stuff that could come out which is much worse I am afraid.}

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Great post mort have a good weekend mate.

frankyscouse

Sorry about my joke guys
LP {Ed001's Note - no worries mate, it was just no one was talking about the story and just swamping it with jokes. It happens, sometimes it is just better to remove it all, especially if there doesn't seem any real relevance to a conspiracy at the end of it all. Though we will probably find out later he is a CIA operative acting under orders next week!}

Wow cheers Franky for the recommendation.

I'm off out shortly for the weekend so can't do much for you today, but yes there is definitely a conspiracy there.

Supposedly the CIA were involved same as they were allegedly involvd in Dallas. Several people were spotted in photographs and film and were identified by former colleagues as having worked at the CIA's Miami station, the largest domestic cia station and had been involved with several Cuba things, one of them David Moralees was involved in bay of Pigs and allegedly JFK as well. Oswald had been spotted in New Orleans in the build up to Dallas with a "latin looking man" this is thought to have been Moralees. Moralees and 3 associates from CIA Miami were at the hotel were Bobby was shot. Coincidence? Unlikely. The more you look at Bay of Pigs, Dallas and RFK the more the same names always pop up.

Also with regards to RFK there is a 2nd gunman theory. The pathology report suggests that his wounds are indicative of a gunman behind him, but eyewitness reports place Sirhan facing west of Bobby as Bobby was moving east. Although some accounts are confused and there is the possibility that Bobby was turning around exposing himself that way. But the coroner's report states that the fatal shot was behind the right ear.

Also a recording made by a freelance journo records 13 shots fired, Sirhan's gun held 8 rounds. The audio has been confirmed by 2 seperate forensic teams in California and Denmark. Other experts disagree though.

12 months ag Srhan's lawyers filed papers claiming a 2nd gunman was involved, the ruling is awaiting.

I think that there are a few strange things involved here, like 3 CIA chaps, including 1 (Moraless) who has agrudge against the Kennedy's being at the hotel that night is more than a coincidence. Its just unlikely to me that the same people keep cropping up. Whether it was revenge for Cuba going belly up or to stop a 2nd Kennedy reaching the Whitehouse or just to clear the way for the Bush's protegy Nixon who knows, maybe a bit of all 3.

Anyway I hope that's useful. i'm off shortly upto Newcastle for the weekend but as I have the whole of next week off from work I may put some more stuff.

Mort.

Back and to the left refers to the Zapruder film from the JFK assasination, whereby you see the fatal shot that killed John come from the front as the bullet impact pushes his head backwards and to the left indicating that the shot was from the front and to the right and clearly not from behind him, from the Texas Book Depositrary, which was a very hard shot to make anyway. Mort

Yeah fair point mate.

frankyscouse

Mort any thoughts?

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Back and to left?

I think mort is the main man to ask about on this.

frankyscouse

Back, and to the left, back and to the left.

15 Feb 2013 12:47:44
You would be astounded if you knew what can be kept secret, and for how long, too. Ten years is not a large amount of time. pea

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Its weird the blacked eyed kids urban legend and if you at a picture of jon venables (killed toddler jamie bulger) when he was a kid, if you look at he's eyes they are black and soulless.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/189009/Jon-Venables-The-Little-Lord-Fauntleroy-of-crime


frankyscouse

Check out a young picture of jon venables the black eyes soulless, definitely has a look of those kids.

frankyscouse

14 Feb 2013 17:45:31
the seeds of the eu lie in the first war and the germans planned mitteleuropa customs union. Some americans are quite anti english. During the war the american chief of naval operations basically head of the yank navy admiral king was very anti english and a pain to deal with at the co ordinated strategy talks because of this. I'm sure some people on here might have watched the channel five program the other week on war plan red the american plan for a war with britain. Nothing sinister in that they had plans to fight everyone britain was red, france was blue, germany black and japan orange these led to the rainbow plans on how to fight a two front war and all the arguments in the combined war talks like one variant preferred japan first another germany first and so on. I think the one they went with was rainbow six. But back to point at hand these has been for along time a strong anti british streak in us government look at the support for the ira. As for the yanks having black ops teams plan terrorist attacks its possible but you'd never be able to keep something like that for ten years something would leak. I think they were involved with some stuff.

Its called preservatives

It's funny how that story coincided with the release of a book on the subject. Publicity stunt in my (black) eyes.
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