22 Jan 2016 13:04:01
The books are well worth a read matey.
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CTR · 22 Jan 2016 12:05
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22 Jan 2016 10:50:05
So what are we going with here a Dover daemon or the beast of bladenboro type of cryptid? I've always been very interested in cryptids! I do although struggle with the North American ones not because they are unbelievable but because of how Americans obsess and fantasise thus adding an element of daftness to the whole thing! I have seen the vids posted by ed33 on pauliedes but maybe have a look at the book if it's worth a read Chris!
I would like to add though Chris I'm enjoying watching the Arsenal ATM so will try and fit it in!
Read discussionSo what are we going with here a Dover daemon or the beast of bladenboro type of cryptid? I've always been very interested in cryptids! I do although struggle with the North American ones not because they are unbelievable but because of how Americans obsess and fantasise thus adding an element of daftness to the whole thing! I have seen the vids posted by ed33 on pauliedes but maybe have a look at the book if it's worth a read Chris!
I would like to add though Chris I'm enjoying watching the Arsenal ATM so will try and fit it in!
Reply · CTR · 21 Jan 2016 22:49
CTR · 21 Jan 2016 22:4921 Jan 2016 22:50:38
Yes that is a problem although I'm not 100% sure it's the same thing if anything at all.
The problem with the urban setting is there's to many variables. The fact it's college aged men coming out of bars a lot of the time leads me to think this way, although the cases I've heard are a bit crazy with the victims apparently alive for days before being found dead.
I theorise if the disappearances from the woods is down to a cryptid and the reappearance is down to a human element.
My theory on how it happens is the animal transmits ultra sound to stun the person of sorts and takes the person off and an agency returns them later.
My thinking behind this is the victims seem to be found after the search is nearing it's end or finished which tells me either the searchers are getting to close or far enough away to draw attention from something or someone.
If found alive they can't remember much although one lady that could a bit said she could remember seeing strange men hiding behind trees and tried speaking to them but they wouldn't talk just followed (green berets in special gear looking for her and them? )
The clothes stripping part of my theory is probably crazy but, I think the animal/ humanoid knows thier ultrasound causes over heating to the victims which can result in death and strips them while it takes them away to stop this maybe taking off there boots to dip there feet in a cold lake?
One of the park rangers admits the park and government know of 'wildmen' living off the grid that do "disgusting things " but to recognise it as true would mean they have to accept responsibility, which they can't / don't want to do.
Maybe the government also allow this to happen sometimes in order to find out where a particular group of these things are living?
Like I said a bit of a crazy theory :)
Read discussionYes that is a problem although I'm not 100% sure it's the same thing if anything at all.
The problem with the urban setting is there's to many variables. The fact it's college aged men coming out of bars a lot of the time leads me to think this way, although the cases I've heard are a bit crazy with the victims apparently alive for days before being found dead.
I theorise if the disappearances from the woods is down to a cryptid and the reappearance is down to a human element.
My theory on how it happens is the animal transmits ultra sound to stun the person of sorts and takes the person off and an agency returns them later.
My thinking behind this is the victims seem to be found after the search is nearing it's end or finished which tells me either the searchers are getting to close or far enough away to draw attention from something or someone.
If found alive they can't remember much although one lady that could a bit said she could remember seeing strange men hiding behind trees and tried speaking to them but they wouldn't talk just followed (green berets in special gear looking for her and them? )
The clothes stripping part of my theory is probably crazy but, I think the animal/ humanoid knows thier ultrasound causes over heating to the victims which can result in death and strips them while it takes them away to stop this maybe taking off there boots to dip there feet in a cold lake?
One of the park rangers admits the park and government know of 'wildmen' living off the grid that do "disgusting things " but to recognise it as true would mean they have to accept responsibility, which they can't / don't want to do.
Maybe the government also allow this to happen sometimes in order to find out where a particular group of these things are living?
Like I said a bit of a crazy theory :)
Reply · CTR · 21 Jan 2016 20:11
CTR · 21 Jan 2016 20:1121 Jan 2016 20:44:01
I think it could be a mixture of the two tbh.
Glad to hear it mate. I can only imagine they are.
Crazy period of the year with all Xmas holidays then xfer window to boot.
Read discussionI think it could be a mixture of the two tbh.
Glad to hear it mate. I can only imagine they are.
Crazy period of the year with all Xmas holidays then xfer window to boot.
Reply · CTR · 21 Jan 2016 19:38
CTR · 21 Jan 2016 19:3821 Jan 2016 20:29:05
Haha, sorry ed la.
It's David Paulides book series called missing 411, it details strange disappearances in the woods of North America.
A quick run down, people go into the woods of North America and seemingly under the noses of others just go missing. Tracking dogs can't pick up a scent or flat out refuse to track and searchers can't locate them for days/ weeks or even years. Then they just turn up dead on a trail or Creek that has been extensively searched many times most of the time missing items of clothing (often boots) .
The ones that are found alive are normally young children 3 and under and in a lot of cases are found anywhere from 3 miles to 12 away from where they went missing. Most with scratches but no assault.
Ed33 got me onto his findings and it's been doing my head in since.
After reading I now have a theory.
I was just saying before reading and only listening to radio interviews I assumed most children don't get found alive but after reading his books found that not to be the case.
That was a quick run down lol.
And if u haven't heard of him give yourself an hour and listen to an interview on YouTube.
Hope your well mate.
Read discussionHaha, sorry ed la.
It's David Paulides book series called missing 411, it details strange disappearances in the woods of North America.
A quick run down, people go into the woods of North America and seemingly under the noses of others just go missing. Tracking dogs can't pick up a scent or flat out refuse to track and searchers can't locate them for days/ weeks or even years. Then they just turn up dead on a trail or Creek that has been extensively searched many times most of the time missing items of clothing (often boots) .
The ones that are found alive are normally young children 3 and under and in a lot of cases are found anywhere from 3 miles to 12 away from where they went missing. Most with scratches but no assault.
Ed33 got me onto his findings and it's been doing my head in since.
After reading I now have a theory.
I was just saying before reading and only listening to radio interviews I assumed most children don't get found alive but after reading his books found that not to be the case.
That was a quick run down lol.
And if u haven't heard of him give yourself an hour and listen to an interview on YouTube.
Hope your well mate.
20 Dec 2015 13:48:24
There's so much more I wish I could say. But on one side I'm bound by the OSA and I don't fancy Holloway prison at my age. And on the other, well I like my tea without anything radioactive added.
Read discussionThere's so much more I wish I could say. But on one side I'm bound by the OSA and I don't fancy Holloway prison at my age. And on the other, well I like my tea without anything radioactive added.
19 Dec 2015 22:53:32
Great info there Kim.
Read discussionGreat info there Kim.
18 Dec 2015 16:26:44
Yes you have handlers you handle assets. Usually people attached to an embassy or consulate and therefore protected by diplomatic immunity. If caught all that happens is you get expelled. And end up in Alaska or Siberia or whatever the British equivalent is.
That's white ops. Handlers need to be intelligent, good people skills and able to blend in well especially in different social circles.
Assets are usually local people you have their own motivations. There are 3 ways to recruit an asset. The 3b's. Bribery, blackmail or bullshit. You'd be amazed the people prepared to sell out their country for money. Blackmail, well the kgb employed special agents known as swallows or ravens depending on their sex whose job was to seduce targets and open them up to blackmail. And then there was good old fashioned bullshit. Sometimes although rarely there were those doing it for another motive. For a cause. Or revenge.
When your in country but the embassy is unaware then that's a black op and you have no fall back cover of diplomatic immunity. Then when caught your disavowed and wait to be exchanged.
Read discussionYes you have handlers you handle assets. Usually people attached to an embassy or consulate and therefore protected by diplomatic immunity. If caught all that happens is you get expelled. And end up in Alaska or Siberia or whatever the British equivalent is.
That's white ops. Handlers need to be intelligent, good people skills and able to blend in well especially in different social circles.
Assets are usually local people you have their own motivations. There are 3 ways to recruit an asset. The 3b's. Bribery, blackmail or bullshit. You'd be amazed the people prepared to sell out their country for money. Blackmail, well the kgb employed special agents known as swallows or ravens depending on their sex whose job was to seduce targets and open them up to blackmail. And then there was good old fashioned bullshit. Sometimes although rarely there were those doing it for another motive. For a cause. Or revenge.
When your in country but the embassy is unaware then that's a black op and you have no fall back cover of diplomatic immunity. Then when caught your disavowed and wait to be exchanged.
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TTTS · 18 Dec 2015 14:35
TTTS · 18 Dec 2015 14:3518 Dec 2015 15:30:08
Most of the agents here in Ireland were members of the community and organisations they were spying on. They had handlers who work from a safe distance and never at risk. That would have been MI5 thou, I'd imagine most of the MI6 spooks were similar.
Read discussionMost of the agents here in Ireland were members of the community and organisations they were spying on. They had handlers who work from a safe distance and never at risk. That would have been MI5 thou, I'd imagine most of the MI6 spooks were similar.
17 Dec 2015 22:44:44
To be honest you'd be amazed at some of the people.
Read discussionTo be honest you'd be amazed at some of the people.
17 Dec 2015 21:50:21
It's great digging into family stuff CTR good you found stuff out, Kim is very informative .
Looking into family stuff will distract you from LVG United bore, lol.
You would have to be of a certain material to join M15 for sure. Someone posted a John unwin video on here a short while ago Chris, it was brilliant to listen to although I'm still not sure but it was one of the best listens posted and he went onto mention been selected or groomed for some sort of task force.
So the chances are your great uncle would have been involved in some way with the government or civil service and was watched for certain attributes that would be idea for the M15, it's the same as every job you need to be a certain way, for example you have to be a certain way to be a nurse or a fireman, policeman, and you could argue that it's easy to become one of those but the fact is that you have to be a certain type of person.
Read discussionIt's great digging into family stuff CTR good you found stuff out, Kim is very informative .
Looking into family stuff will distract you from LVG United bore, lol.
You would have to be of a certain material to join M15 for sure. Someone posted a John unwin video on here a short while ago Chris, it was brilliant to listen to although I'm still not sure but it was one of the best listens posted and he went onto mention been selected or groomed for some sort of task force.
So the chances are your great uncle would have been involved in some way with the government or civil service and was watched for certain attributes that would be idea for the M15, it's the same as every job you need to be a certain way, for example you have to be a certain way to be a nurse or a fireman, policeman, and you could argue that it's easy to become one of those but the fact is that you have to be a certain type of person.
17 Dec 2015 21:40:58
Well depends on the role. A lot of intelligence work is analysis. Forget any images of James bond. Anyone who is a specialist could be recruited depending on what's required. Traditionally linguists are always popular. Russian speakers, arab speakers, etc. Or technical specialists like in 1990 with the gulf.
University graduates tend to be favoured because the intellectual disciplines used are essential for analysis.
Sometimes you do have on-site specialists. If for example you want to send someone to look at a bunch of mercenaries and assess the situation then current or ex military personnel would be a starting point.
Read discussionWell depends on the role. A lot of intelligence work is analysis. Forget any images of James bond. Anyone who is a specialist could be recruited depending on what's required. Traditionally linguists are always popular. Russian speakers, arab speakers, etc. Or technical specialists like in 1990 with the gulf.
University graduates tend to be favoured because the intellectual disciplines used are essential for analysis.
Sometimes you do have on-site specialists. If for example you want to send someone to look at a bunch of mercenaries and assess the situation then current or ex military personnel would be a starting point.
07 Dec 2015 18:30:08
I knew the original.
Read discussionI knew the original.
Reply · CTR · 07 Dec 2015 17:12
CTR · 07 Dec 2015 17:1207 Dec 2015 18:11:20
Doing a lot of reading atm about this sort of thing, I'm guessing by your name your interested to, Kim.
Read discussionDoing a lot of reading atm about this sort of thing, I'm guessing by your name your interested to, Kim.
07 Dec 2015 13:14:56
civil war was essentially a power struggle between two former liberation movements, the People's Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA) and the National Union for the Total Independence of Angola (UNITA) . At the same time, the war served as a surrogate battleground for the Cold War and large-scale direct and indirect international involvement by opposing powers such as the Soviet Union, Cuba, South Africa and the United States was a major feature of the conflict. Major resources include oil, diamonds, gold and copper. Easy to see why everyone was involved.
Read discussioncivil war was essentially a power struggle between two former liberation movements, the People's Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA) and the National Union for the Total Independence of Angola (UNITA) . At the same time, the war served as a surrogate battleground for the Cold War and large-scale direct and indirect international involvement by opposing powers such as the Soviet Union, Cuba, South Africa and the United States was a major feature of the conflict. Major resources include oil, diamonds, gold and copper. Easy to see why everyone was involved.
07 Dec 2015 12:50:09
I'm the only one with any secrets. So I guess the rest of the family could say that.
Go to https://goo.gl/btUD2 for more help.
And also https://goo.gl/kUqNxg
Read discussionI'm the only one with any secrets. So I guess the rest of the family could say that.
Go to https://goo.gl/btUD2 for more help.
And also https://goo.gl/kUqNxg
Reply · CTR · 07 Dec 2015 11:17
CTR · 07 Dec 2015 11:1707 Dec 2015 12:15:36
I wouldn't know how to start with a foia.
I did browse around but this is all new stuff to me regarding my family, guess we all have history in our families we don't know about.
Read discussionI wouldn't know how to start with a foia.
I did browse around but this is all new stuff to me regarding my family, guess we all have history in our families we don't know about.
07 Dec 2015 11:50:57
Your welcome. Most things on the internet are findable. i'd try and get hold of those book and see what else they say. And maybe look into a freedom of information request. It might get nowhere but you never know.
Read discussionYour welcome. Most things on the internet are findable. i'd try and get hold of those book and see what else they say. And maybe look into a freedom of information request. It might get nowhere but you never know.
Reply · CTR · 07 Dec 2015 10:04
CTR · 07 Dec 2015 10:0407 Dec 2015 11:02:15
Thank you very much Kim all the help u have given is amazing.
Read discussionThank you very much Kim all the help u have given is amazing.
06 Dec 2015 23:00:45
I tried to send a link for ctr which I think had some more information on his grandfather and great uncle. Only ones on the list called Brian and Vic from Cambridge.
goo.gl/is0GgN
Read discussionI tried to send a link for ctr which I think had some more information on his grandfather and great uncle. Only ones on the list called Brian and Vic from Cambridge.
goo.gl/is0GgN