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Reply · KimPhilby · 11 Mar 2016 02:40
10 Mar 2016 22:23:24
Agreed ttts each maker has their own signature.
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Reply · TTTS · 10 Mar 2016 19:06
10 Mar 2016 20:05:07
The IRA had master bombers who down through the years perfected their skills and indeed came up some very clever methods of causing the most destruction. Security forces were able to attach bombs to certain makers and their students due to their make up. When these guys stood down the ability for what was left in the organisation to carry out a successful bombing campaign was virtually wiped. There has been attempts which were crude and had limited success. A while back a device was used which suggest 1 of the top makers had at very least shared some information if not made a more than capable devise. But once again you can have the best maker at your disposal and it can count for nothing if intelligents is on top of the organisation.
A few weeks back it was suggested and must likely correct that the Shankill bomb was tampered with by either a member who had been turned or intelligence acting on the information by a member.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 10 Mar 2016 17:12
10 Mar 2016 17:21:12
Which is why most Lon wolf bombs fail to off and AQ's roadside bombs were made by expert bomb makers.

I agree anyone *should* be able to stick a time pencil in some plastique. But the more complex the device the more the technical skill goes up.

Manuals on how to make a nuclear device are all over the internet but you still need certain engineering skills even if you have access to the materials.

Same with bomb making. I can give mr philby a shopping list for B and Q and garden centre and leave him the step by step instructions on how to do it but I'd prefer to be a few miles away whilst he does it. It only takes one mistake by an unskilled or inexperienced pair of hands. Of course the same applies with someone skilled or experienced but the odds change somewhat.

Personally if I was running something like that i'd want someone with some basic engineering skill doing the actual assembling rather than eager but unskilled volunteers.

If it was as simple as just downloading a manual off the internet, going shopping for kit, and tinkering in the kitchen, then given the amount of people out there with grievances against the rest of society then wouldn't there be regular occurrences?
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Reply · KimPhilby · 10 Mar 2016 13:06
10 Mar 2016 14:02:56
Manuals are one thing but practice makes perfect. Just because I have a Delia smith cookbook doesn't mean I make great soufflés.

Would there stocks be pre 1991 semtex by any chance?
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Reply · TTTS · 10 Mar 2016 09:08
10 Mar 2016 10:08:02
The sad thing about the whole thing thou ed is that they are a small group known to security forces and are and mostly likely being marshalled by them. Any success is not because the operatives are skilled in guerilla warfare but because security let them for what ever agenda they have.
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Reply · TTTS · 10 Mar 2016 08:58
10 Mar 2016 09:53:05
I'd assume leg injuries, usually set under front drivers side wheel arch held in place by magnet and rigged with a mercury tilt switch.
The favour explosives used was semtex, a small amount could do a lot of damage and easier to conceal, and with the tilt switch the planter does not need to hang around.
The availability of an explosive like semtex to the "new IRA" would be very limited plus the availability of an experienced bomb maker also as the Provisionals took most of their main operatives along with them into the piece process and buried their hugh stocks of semtex in large secret bunkers.
There was always a chance that rogue
members with bomb making skills have renegaded back to those that choose to continue the "armed struggle" and not all the explosives were put out of reach. Semtex is a stable substance with a long shelf life.
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Reply · football-crown Ed007 · 10 Mar 2016 02:36
10 Mar 2016 02:38:44
The victim was seriously injured and in a stable condition in hospital. What possible injuries could he have received? It was nice of the emergency services to leave the electrics on when there was a fire risk and shut the doors all neat and tidy.
In fact if you read the report the bomb only partially went off, does that van look like it's had a once over with the bomb disposal squad, wouldn't they shut the electrics off?
The bomb was found to have been made of semtex - that's just a blatant lie not worth commenting on.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 09 Mar 2016 17:22
09 Mar 2016 18:20:34
Car bombs are more of a psychological weapon. If we can get to his car we can get to you. And loud bangs gives the drama. There's more efficient members.
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Reply · southampton87 · 09 Mar 2016 15:17
09 Mar 2016 16:17:19
Alright nice one
Quite lucky it wasn't any of the older lot then lol
Car would probably be gone.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 09 Mar 2016 02:37
08 Mar 2016 23:02:34
No because most car bombs are placed underneath near the fuel tank or on the exhaust pipe if your using certain detonation methods. The blast if directed in the right direction ignites the fuel. If it wasn't placed right and the blast went in the wrong direction i. e. downwards into the road it wouldn't do much damage.

To be honest most the of the ira are pretty amateur. A mixture of psycho thugs looking for a means to direct their inner rage, foolish naive boys who swallow all the horseshit about being soldiers in a war or wannabes on a power trip. And its been getting more amateurish as time goes on. Too be busy trying to control the drugs trade and become legitimate business men and/ or politicians now there's only a lunatic fringe of the truly amateur.

Sure some were/ are mi5 agents but most crime gangs are given a licence to operate by informing. Look at the krays or the American mafia. Similiar thing, granted business licences and immunity from prosecution in exchange for information. Strokes the egos of those who think their major players.
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Reply · southampton87 · 08 Mar 2016 20:27
08 Mar 2016 21:26:29
I woulda thought that no matter were u put it the widows woulda been blown out
Not that I know about this type thing just would think car bomb windows at least gone.
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Reply · TTTS · 08 Mar 2016 19:52
08 Mar 2016 20:50:27
The present IRA are a few ill trained men with no popular support and if not informants they are agents. If required for political gain an operation will be let "slip through". Most operations will be "foiled" by excellent police work.

They are another tool in the box of British intelligence.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 08 Mar 2016 15:06
08 Mar 2016 15:30:12
Was it placed correctly or even built correctly to start with.
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Reply · Not Registered · 25 Nov 2014 17:07
25 Nov 2014 18:06:12
Todays bbc very interesting. These 2 do sound like assets in place.

Kim Philby
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Reply · TTTS · 25 Nov 2014 11:48
The inquire into the "prevention "of murder today seems to be focusing on internet information from unnamed American internet and clearing the spooks.
Seem like the whole story is now being used to help ease through laws governing the internet. Has this always been their intention or is it now a convient time to use incident?
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Reply · frankyscouser · 23 Nov 2014 11:45
There was a case (can not remember it)and it went to court in the usa and everything the cop described was based on emotion from his emotions to the accused emotions and not on facts, the accused got found guilty and got life but after ten or so years they done a retrial and the new lawyer told the jurors just look at the evidence nothing more nothing less does it add up to what the cop is telling you?

the accused went free.
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Reply · Not Registered · 23 Nov 2014 11:45
23 Nov 2014 12:06:53
Interesting. As I said, it would make the most sense for the two guys to get killed at the scene. Imagine the positive media publicity for the police etc. And saving an inconvenience of a trial.

Instead they were allowed to survive for some reason and to go on trial. This points to a deeper game.

I would question if the police who arrived were actually properly firearms trained. As you say they had a record of 35 kills in 35 incidents. An outstanding record for marksmen, and highlights how well rained they are. Marksmen need nerves of steel and do not panic. That whole statement is incredible, i'd like to see her service record.

Kim Philby
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Reply · Not Registered · 22 Nov 2014 10:24
22 Nov 2014 10:46:10
Just doesn't make much sense to me. But then their minds work on a different level. Fascinating statistic though regards the 35 previous instances of arms police responses all being fatal. It immediately highlights these 2 were wanted alive.

Kim Philby
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Reply · frankyscouser · 21 Nov 2014 17:19
No doubt a touchy and raw subject and anyone who disagrees are either anarchists or unpatriotic, I do agree with kim on it would make more sense killing both and that way it would focus on the death of rigby rather than the trial of the two accused, which was secret which in turn then opened up another can of worms , they obviously wanted them alive for a reason, maybe to use again in the future?
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Reply · Not Registered · 21 Nov 2014 16:10
21 Nov 2014 16:13:46
Interesting ed007. I would assume they were not meant to survive as it leads to too many questions, necessitates a trial and all that entails even if it was a farce. You'd think killing them makes more sense. But I'm thinking as a Russian. If they preferred a trial it shows another agenda

Kim Philby
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