13 Sep 2015 16:08:47 the west got dragged in to the middle east? are you serious about that statement?
the west and the iron curtain have been putting there own dictators in power for over half a century and we all know the reasons why ,the same dictators they empowered are now funding terror cells , the world has gone mad if you think corbyn's stance on terror is worrying .
13 Sep 2015 14:48:44 Do you also think Islamic state want a dialogue?
They've slaughtered thousands amongst the yazidis, Kurds, Syrians and Iraqis.
They've dragged women off and sold them at auction as sex slaves to be raped by their owners.
They've executed normal soldiers of the Iraqi and Syrian armies. These men are mostly conscripts who don't want to be there or are just trying to do their duty. In many cases just protecting their homes and families. Instead they get butchered. If this had been the Americans you'd soon be bleating about war crimes.
They've destroyed historical sites like palmyra or Nineveh that have stood for centuries.
You really think such a barbaric mentality can be reasoned with?
The ira or the plo had legitimate political causes. Dialogue could be opened. What's Islamic states political cause?
For a so called socialist party too many in labour suck up to Islamic fundamentalists. Despite their barbaric attitudes towards women and gay people. The total antithesis of the socialist principles of equality to all regardless of class, gender, colour and orientation.
13 Sep 2015 14:37:31 Depends how far you trust the ira.
Just because Iran have only attacked one neighbouring country (and lost) doesn't mean the intention isn't there. Why do you think they've thrown everything into gaining the bomb over the last 25 years. And again you've not read what I've said. Its not just Israel that fears a nuclear Iran. But the rest of the region that follows a different religious sect. The whole mess in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq is a sectional war that makes Belfast look like amateur hour. And Saudi Arabia funds one side and Iran the other. The west got dragged into this by the Saudis and now Russia are starting to as well.
Regards the Saudis I have little time for them either. A bunch of arrogant misogynistic homophobes as bad as Iran or Hamas.
13 Sep 2015 14:39:19 Let me put this another way. If Cameron had lost the election and stood down and the tory party elected a fringe mp on the far right of the party with extreme views on immigration, the health service ect. Leading to the moderates in the shadow cabinet resigning etc. What would your reaction be?
13 Sep 2015 13:54:16 shared platforms? the panorama edition about corbyn being in saudia Arabia was proved to be a LIE. his diary proved otherwise.
supporting psychopaths? two words mate SAUDI A
iran to my knowledge the only country the have attacked is another muslim country (iraq) in the last 50 years but israel feel threatened , got to be right eh?
finally he a shared platform with sinn fein in the a time when it was unthinkable. tell me what do you do kim? invade ireland until they give up the terror or do what he did and open dialogue?
13 Sep 2015 12:32:25 How about all the times he's shared platforms with sympathisers? Even this week he's said that we should understand is.
What is there to understand about a group of psychopaths using a religion as an excuse to rape, torture and murder. Are you proud of supporting a man who wants to understand such a mentality?
Is don't want peace they just want to slaughter anyone who doesn't fit they're version of Islam.
Hamas don't want peace. They want to commit genocide. It's in they're manifesto. Proudly displayed on the website.
Iran doesn't want peace either. They want the bomb to intimdate Riyadh and Tel Aviv.
Corbyn once refused to share a platform with nick griffin but refused saying he doesn't associate with rascists. Round of applause. But then he shares platforms with Islamic fundamentalists who are not just racist but misogynists' and homophobes as well. How do you think that sits with women's rights and gay rights groups? I've seen plenty calling him out on it on social media.
13 Sep 2015 11:32:02 listen its about opinion this , if this was a tory group who were just attacking the poor I would agree with you that it would be very hard but middle class england is also getting squeezed for example people that work for themselves ,its exactly the same thing happening in the usa and I am pretty sure this is a global thing , the tactic of parties like the CON party has always blamed the poor/ low class for not paying there way , with this 40% cuts then that argument can not be used anymore and the so called middle class england will be asking themselves why am I still getting squezzed?
kim cosied up to terrorist groups?, your an intelligent woman and you must know how propaganda works so when corbyn meets hamas once for peace talks a few years ago he's cosying up but tony blair has meet the same group 3 times in the last year in his new laughable peace role and it's fine? I will spell it out again P R O P A G A N D A
13 Sep 2015 10:07:57 The liberal party was wiped out and most of their seats were list to tories so yeah suggests liberal voters went tory.
As leader of the opposition he will receive briefings by the intelligence services. He also cosies up to a lot of terrorist groups. The intelligence services have already publicly and privately admitted concern over these associations and uts a legitimate concern.
I also agree with the points made by the other poster. He's capturing the minds of the young because socialist theory is a wonderful idea. In reality it is a failure and has failed everywhere it has been tried. They are too young to have lived through the failure.
I've made this point before. The majority of British people are on the centre right. Not the extreme right although there is a minority which will never win. But centre right. Sometimes the centre left like Blair or Wilson will win. But the extreme left will never win a British general election.
13 Sep 2015 09:44:51 {Ed033's Note - They now appear to have the ability to easily rig any vote. The last UK general election was rigged and the Scottish independence vote was also rigged. Who ever does the rigging can make anything happen.
For all we know, they'll make Corbyn win just to have certain other groups going crazy. It's possible that the rigging group are outside the area that corbyn can have any influence over.
13 Sep 2015 01:21:28 The problem is, in that main stream middle ground voters won't vote for labour now. I've got 2 kids and 2 business's and I work 7 days a week all hours of the day to get by. I'm half swedish and I know the pro's and cons of their system and u have every opportunity to move my family and live there but they are far from the ideal life too. I'm a socialist in my heart but a tory in my mind/private life and that's what counts. I would put everything I own apart from my house on corbyn not getting in, I'm the next election. The tories have a massive middle ground to eat up which i'm afraid wins elections.
12 Sep 2015 23:27:05 libs went tory? lib dems as a movement are dead because of they have never implemented their voters beliefs when they had the chance with the coalition. lib dems were the party of the youth vote 18 to 23. now with corbyn's vision on free education, he is already very popular with the younger vote. as for the tories rubbing their hands with glee, I will give you one example of the so called glee:
piri patel a tory mp who has a role with the dwp was asked today live on lbc radio about corbyn's massive win and she said it's a threat to national security. the interviewer said as a member of the opposite party it would be polite to congratulate your opposition would it not?
she still would not do it, but kept on going on about national security rubbish. now call me skeptical, but if I was happy that an opposition member was elected, I would be rolling the red carpet out for him. the fact is, he's getting attacked by the establishment and media who have right wing ideologies.
12 Sep 2015 23:37:28 kev, the rich own nearly all of our assets and they want the nhs next. we take back the transport from those people and we the people own it with our taxes thus securing our jobs as 1 example.
you called the russians and chinese volatile? mate for over 20 years we have been bombing the middle east, so not sure we can be casting stones at anyone.
not sure what you mean about opening coal mines, but if we do still import coal (not sure if we still do), it would make sense to use of our own would it not?
12 Sep 2015 22:29:35 From only looking into it slightly, so may have been brainwashed by the media I do have a few questions. How do we expect to tax the rich and keep them here thus securing the jobs of those they employ.
What will happen when we don't have any defences against the volatile Russians and Chinese. What happens about the reopening of the pits and the coal we don't need. Quite a lot of the policies seemed to be aimed towards the younger generation who are like me a little naive and think of themselves.
Myself I would be happy to scrap NI pay for private medical care like in Sweden etc. and pay more taxes if this meant a higher living wage and benefits for those not as fortunate. I would also not be surprised if he died of a "unfortunate accident" in the next few years or even surprised if he does not actually run for prime minister after he has drummed up support for the party.
12 Sep 2015 15:10:23 Exactly franky the worlds changed from 30 years ago. The labour of the 80s was based on a class war which the majority no longer care about.
And your missing the point. It shows the parliamentary labour is split. If the part of the party that represents the people don't support the leader then it makes winning over undecided voters harder. Also the ones resigning are all the ones who were tipped as the rising stars of the party. Who's going to replace them?
12 Sep 2015 15:47:03 kim he will take votes of ukip and lib dems add to the fact he will get people who have not voted in years 35 to 40% , why do you think they are so scared of him in the media?
12 Sep 2015 14:44:03 people are missing the big point , mps resigning means absolutly nothing when the people are firmly behind the leader , what happened 30 years ago has no effect on what's happening now , the world is a different place.
12 Sep 2015 13:38:47 He has a very good chance of winning the general election. Disfranchiesed voters will feel more connected. 40% didn't vote, between that and labour core the figures add up. Corbyn needs to set up a good pr section to counter the now expected MSM onslaught from murdoch, BBC,etc
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