29 Jun 2016 16:03:44
Franky the issue for the Blairites is finding one who didn't vote for the Iraq war. Its like trying to find a virgin in a maternity ward.
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29 Jun 2016 14:46:58
Cameron was playing party politics. Corbyn can't step down now after being told to by a tory. It suits Cameron to have labour infighting.
Electing Khan was a mistake.
Read discussionCameron was playing party politics. Corbyn can't step down now after being told to by a tory. It suits Cameron to have labour infighting.
Electing Khan was a mistake.
29 Jun 2016 12:08:25
Burnham kept out of it because he needs union support for this metro mayor in Liverpool he's positioning himself for. He's figuring its better for him to not be the Blairite candidate for that. Burnham thinks of Burnham. He knows he has slim chance of the leadership and he knows how the coupists have been viewed.
I think we'll see a few sound out the rest of party but drop out for lack of support. The problem for this coup is they've acted without having a figurehead.
Tom Watson is playing the quiet game. Very Richard III waiting for power to be "thrust" upon him.
Eagle has zero chance. Burnham has discussed. Chuka Umunna may try, personally I don't rate him. I still think the best candidate on that side is Yvette Cooper but she's largely kept quiet.
Read discussionBurnham kept out of it because he needs union support for this metro mayor in Liverpool he's positioning himself for. He's figuring its better for him to not be the Blairite candidate for that. Burnham thinks of Burnham. He knows he has slim chance of the leadership and he knows how the coupists have been viewed.
I think we'll see a few sound out the rest of party but drop out for lack of support. The problem for this coup is they've acted without having a figurehead.
Tom Watson is playing the quiet game. Very Richard III waiting for power to be "thrust" upon him.
Eagle has zero chance. Burnham has discussed. Chuka Umunna may try, personally I don't rate him. I still think the best candidate on that side is Yvette Cooper but she's largely kept quiet.
29 Jun 2016 11:28:56
It would have to appear natural causes, stress related to have any chance. Any other way it would look like it is.
Read discussionIt would have to appear natural causes, stress related to have any chance. Any other way it would look like it is.
29 Jun 2016 10:44:09
Corbyn isn't a bad person. He's been badly advised by Seamus Milne, like at the shadow cabinet meeting where Milne's trying to get a photo op and Corbyn says its a bad idea.
The issue is, prior to the referendum, the labour looked more like a protest group than an actual opposition. But how much of that is down to Corbyn not having full control of the party. Largely due to the rebels.
If it comes to a leadership election Corbyn will stand. He will take most of membership in regards to the activists. The key questions is 1. Will the unions continue to support him. 2. Who do the Blairites rally around.
I think Corbyn will take most of the union vote too. I don't see a standout Blairite candidate. Instead it could be 2-3 of them competing which strengthens Corbyn.
Corbyn should therefore win any leadership contest. He then has to take more effective control of the PLP. If they won't back him this time after a second successful leadership election he has to push Cameron for a general election and deselect the disloyal mp's. But that then creates a labour party dominated by one section rather than a wider spectrum.
Could the Blairites form their own party? Possible.
For what its worth I disagree with a lot of Corbyns policies. I think his brand of socialism is unworkable and should be consigned to the past.
However the people deserve a genuine choice at the ballot box rather than the same choice wearing different coloured ties.
Read discussionCorbyn isn't a bad person. He's been badly advised by Seamus Milne, like at the shadow cabinet meeting where Milne's trying to get a photo op and Corbyn says its a bad idea.
The issue is, prior to the referendum, the labour looked more like a protest group than an actual opposition. But how much of that is down to Corbyn not having full control of the party. Largely due to the rebels.
If it comes to a leadership election Corbyn will stand. He will take most of membership in regards to the activists. The key questions is 1. Will the unions continue to support him. 2. Who do the Blairites rally around.
I think Corbyn will take most of the union vote too. I don't see a standout Blairite candidate. Instead it could be 2-3 of them competing which strengthens Corbyn.
Corbyn should therefore win any leadership contest. He then has to take more effective control of the PLP. If they won't back him this time after a second successful leadership election he has to push Cameron for a general election and deselect the disloyal mp's. But that then creates a labour party dominated by one section rather than a wider spectrum.
Could the Blairites form their own party? Possible.
For what its worth I disagree with a lot of Corbyns policies. I think his brand of socialism is unworkable and should be consigned to the past.
However the people deserve a genuine choice at the ballot box rather than the same choice wearing different coloured ties.
28 Jun 2016 18:17:41
I was waiting for someone to join the dots.
Read discussionI was waiting for someone to join the dots.
28 Jun 2016 18:18:49
I thought Farage talked a lot of sense. Bullies don't like it when someone stands up to them.
Read discussionI thought Farage talked a lot of sense. Bullies don't like it when someone stands up to them.
28 Jun 2016 08:41:09
Both John Major and Gordon Brown succeeded a serving prime minister without a general election. Although the circumstances now are different.
Read discussionBoth John Major and Gordon Brown succeeded a serving prime minister without a general election. Although the circumstances now are different.
27 Jun 2016 17:03:48
I could see the labour party splitting up. A hard left anti eu party under corbyn, maybe even taking over some of the lib Dems. And a blairite pro eu party claiming to be centre left.
I could also see the tories splitting too. The anti eu right merging with ukip and the remnants forming a pro eu party claiming to be centre right.
Read discussionI could see the labour party splitting up. A hard left anti eu party under corbyn, maybe even taking over some of the lib Dems. And a blairite pro eu party claiming to be centre left.
I could also see the tories splitting too. The anti eu right merging with ukip and the remnants forming a pro eu party claiming to be centre right.
27 Jun 2016 09:20:53
Exactly he lacks credibility.
A lot of his ideological views are stuck in the early 80's. Its no longer relevant to most people.
As a backbench MP he voted against his own party 500 times. 500. Now rebelling on something like Iraq fair enough. But 500,times? Yet he's demanding loyalty from MP's when he never showed any prior to becoming leader.
He's made a lot unwise appointments and surrounded himself with inexperience.
Yes the blairites have been a disgrace but as leader its his responsibility to unite them. He hasn't instead he's pushed them further away.
Now he's threatening to have the unions nominate disloyal MP's at the next election. Not a wise move.
The British people have never gravitated towards either political extreme. Which is why a hard left labour party was unelectable in the past. That won't change any time soon. Also a hard right party stands little chance unless the economy totally collapses. Which is unlikely.
Read discussionExactly he lacks credibility.
A lot of his ideological views are stuck in the early 80's. Its no longer relevant to most people.
As a backbench MP he voted against his own party 500 times. 500. Now rebelling on something like Iraq fair enough. But 500,times? Yet he's demanding loyalty from MP's when he never showed any prior to becoming leader.
He's made a lot unwise appointments and surrounded himself with inexperience.
Yes the blairites have been a disgrace but as leader its his responsibility to unite them. He hasn't instead he's pushed them further away.
Now he's threatening to have the unions nominate disloyal MP's at the next election. Not a wise move.
The British people have never gravitated towards either political extreme. Which is why a hard left labour party was unelectable in the past. That won't change any time soon. Also a hard right party stands little chance unless the economy totally collapses. Which is unlikely.
26 Jun 2016 23:20:13
BBC up to a few hours ago were reporting it as genuine. I saw the fraud get mentioned on twitter. I had to run the technical details past someone but supposedly they've written a computer program that can sign the petition with a fake email address and a randomly selected but real uk postcode every 15 seconds.
Supposedly parliament agency responsible for these petitions is checking the claims.
Read discussionBBC up to a few hours ago were reporting it as genuine. I saw the fraud get mentioned on twitter. I had to run the technical details past someone but supposedly they've written a computer program that can sign the petition with a fake email address and a randomly selected but real uk postcode every 15 seconds.
Supposedly parliament agency responsible for these petitions is checking the claims.
26 Jun 2016 23:12:33
Quite a lot. Hence the pollsters keep getting it wrong like GE'15 predicting hung parliament or labour win and on Thursday predicting a remain win.
Sky, BBC etc all analysis is done to present a certain viewpoint.
Pick up any newspaper and the owners agenda is pushed.
This is the good thing about being freelance. More independence. If what gets produced doesn't fit what they wanted then too bad. I can only go on what's genuinely out there, and at the moment there's anger, confusion and a sense of betrayal.
Read discussionQuite a lot. Hence the pollsters keep getting it wrong like GE'15 predicting hung parliament or labour win and on Thursday predicting a remain win.
Sky, BBC etc all analysis is done to present a certain viewpoint.
Pick up any newspaper and the owners agenda is pushed.
This is the good thing about being freelance. More independence. If what gets produced doesn't fit what they wanted then too bad. I can only go on what's genuinely out there, and at the moment there's anger, confusion and a sense of betrayal.
26 Jun 2016 20:33:46
35 years of professional political analysis tells me different. 7/ 10 people I've spoken to since Thursday, and it's a lot of people, are indifferent to corbyn.
I agree people want change. But corbyn lacks mass appeal.
Read discussion35 years of professional political analysis tells me different. 7/ 10 people I've spoken to since Thursday, and it's a lot of people, are indifferent to corbyn.
I agree people want change. But corbyn lacks mass appeal.
26 Jun 2016 18:15:15
No the online petition for a second referendum. 4 Chan whoever they are have admitted rigging the petition.
Read discussionNo the online petition for a second referendum. 4 Chan whoever they are have admitted rigging the petition.
26 Jun 2016 18:12:09
Corbyn won't win a general election for the simple reason he doesn't appeal to ordinary labour voters. There's a difference between labour voters and labour members.
Read discussionCorbyn won't win a general election for the simple reason he doesn't appeal to ordinary labour voters. There's a difference between labour voters and labour members.
26 Jun 2016 14:58:49
And apparently now its being investigated for fraud.
Read discussionAnd apparently now its being investigated for fraud.
26 Jun 2016 13:07:27
Has anyone actually looked at the text of this petition?
To me it seems to be utter bull. Apologies but I can't think of any other way to phrase it.
"We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum. "
Surely you can't bring in a rule to affect an already carried out referendum. Only future referendums.
26 Jun 2016 00:31:27
Ed its the Thracian peninsula. Technically its Greek going back to Alexander. Turkeys just occupying it for the last 500 years.
Sanogo the main parts of Russia are in Europe.
Franky Birmingham and Wolverhampton are both multicultural and voted leave.
Read discussionEd its the Thracian peninsula. Technically its Greek going back to Alexander. Turkeys just occupying it for the last 500 years.
Sanogo the main parts of Russia are in Europe.
Franky Birmingham and Wolverhampton are both multicultural and voted leave.
26 Jun 2016 00:28:03
As part of the older generation it saddens me. Naive fools.
Read discussionAs part of the older generation it saddens me. Naive fools.
25 Jun 2016 17:39:45
Yes editor I agree. Most conspiracies are of a political nature so its often going that way. But we're all here for the same reasons so there's no point in descending into petty squabbles.
Regards mars I meant there was some announcement regards water that was buried under all the referendum squabbling.
Read discussionYes editor I agree. Most conspiracies are of a political nature so its often going that way. But we're all here for the same reasons so there's no point in descending into petty squabbles.
Regards mars I meant there was some announcement regards water that was buried under all the referendum squabbling.