26 Jun 2016 17:53:02
It seems the system servers are been ousted out of the labour party . This should give JC more room to manoeuvre. He has the popular vote of party members. A new manifesto needs to be drawn up and put forward in the next election. If they resign the Scottish branch of Labour and forward local branch candidates giving them an opinion of independents if the want, if they contest NI with an aim of uniting Ireland as a country, if they address the needs of the long suffering Welsh.
If they stick to their principles and I believe that JC is a Lexit supporter they will win back the lost vote and win the election.
The establishment has been injured, a blairite freeLabour must step up to the mark and turn the knife.
26 Jun 2016 18:12:09
Corbyn won't win a general election for the simple reason he doesn't appeal to ordinary labour voters. There's a difference between labour voters and labour members.
Corbyn won't win a general election for the simple reason he doesn't appeal to ordinary labour voters. There's a difference between labour voters and labour members.
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26 Jun 2016 19:14:48
I beg to differ Kim, there's a appetite for change out there. They take a bold socialist stance and bury the sad remainder of Blairs system servers it's possible.
I beg to differ Kim, there's a appetite for change out there. They take a bold socialist stance and bury the sad remainder of Blairs system servers it's possible.
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26 Jun 2016 20:33:46
35 years of professional political analysis tells me different. 7/ 10 people I've spoken to since Thursday, and it's a lot of people, are indifferent to corbyn.
I agree people want change. But corbyn lacks mass appeal.
35 years of professional political analysis tells me different. 7/ 10 people I've spoken to since Thursday, and it's a lot of people, are indifferent to corbyn.
I agree people want change. But corbyn lacks mass appeal.
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26 Jun 2016 21:05:34
Just out of a matter of interest Kim, of topic a bit, after reading your post, how much of the political analysing is manipulated by the MSM to suit an agenda?
Just out of a matter of interest Kim, of topic a bit, after reading your post, how much of the political analysing is manipulated by the MSM to suit an agenda?
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26 Jun 2016 22:52:03
I voted leave and I generally vote tory with my head. I couldn't ever imagine voting for corbyn as he doesn't seem robust enough and doesn't seem to be someone that I can engage with. But I think he's a good person. Doesn't make him a good politician.
I voted leave and I generally vote tory with my head. I couldn't ever imagine voting for corbyn as he doesn't seem robust enough and doesn't seem to be someone that I can engage with. But I think he's a good person. Doesn't make him a good politician.
{Ed033's Note - When corbyn flipped to 'Remain', it ruined his integrity and what it means is that he could flip on any issue. For me corbyn now has zero integrity.
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26 Jun 2016 23:12:33
Quite a lot. Hence the pollsters keep getting it wrong like GE'15 predicting hung parliament or labour win and on Thursday predicting a remain win.
Sky, BBC etc all analysis is done to present a certain viewpoint.
Pick up any newspaper and the owners agenda is pushed.
This is the good thing about being freelance. More independence. If what gets produced doesn't fit what they wanted then too bad. I can only go on what's genuinely out there, and at the moment there's anger, confusion and a sense of betrayal.
Quite a lot. Hence the pollsters keep getting it wrong like GE'15 predicting hung parliament or labour win and on Thursday predicting a remain win.
Sky, BBC etc all analysis is done to present a certain viewpoint.
Pick up any newspaper and the owners agenda is pushed.
This is the good thing about being freelance. More independence. If what gets produced doesn't fit what they wanted then too bad. I can only go on what's genuinely out there, and at the moment there's anger, confusion and a sense of betrayal.
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26 Jun 2016 23:30:00
corbyn has lost the trust of his party and its supporters, also taking away the whole eu business, his time as leader so far has been underwhelming to say the least, the trouble is image wise the labour party is seen as a just the same as the tory party, as a labour voter they really need to rip it up and start again ( as the song goes}, the main job of the opposition party is to oppose and god knows there is plenty going on to oppose, if he had lead a leave campaign his future would look a lot brighter than it does, I reckon we will have new leaders in both the 2 main parties by October.
corbyn has lost the trust of his party and its supporters, also taking away the whole eu business, his time as leader so far has been underwhelming to say the least, the trouble is image wise the labour party is seen as a just the same as the tory party, as a labour voter they really need to rip it up and start again ( as the song goes}, the main job of the opposition party is to oppose and god knows there is plenty going on to oppose, if he had lead a leave campaign his future would look a lot brighter than it does, I reckon we will have new leaders in both the 2 main parties by October.
{Ed033's Note - Probably correct on 2 new leaders. Why couldn't corbyn work out that initially as labour leader he appeared to be an exciting radical MP to a lot of people and should have carried on that way, instead of capitulating, ruining his credibility and going on to get along.
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26 Jun 2016 23:37:31
Your right ed. I meant robust in the fact that he seemed uncomfortable. If he had come out for leave against his party I would have given him my next vote, voting labour for the first time. Because he would have been the only "party leader" who agreed with my principles.
Your right ed. I meant robust in the fact that he seemed uncomfortable. If he had come out for leave against his party I would have given him my next vote, voting labour for the first time. Because he would have been the only "party leader" who agreed with my principles.
{Ed033's Note - What would be good if people could recognise that if they are a 'Leave' voter, they now have to vote for an anti-EU party while they are anti-Eu themselves, otherwise voting in a pro-EU party will mean the pro-EU party will create agreements with the EU as though UK is in the EU, which would mean the EU referendum was impotent from their anti-EU point of view.
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27 Jun 2016 00:48:32
Good point ed
That is why ukip get my next vote.
Good point ed
That is why ukip get my next vote.
{Ed033's Note - That would need to be the next step in people's wake up evolution. UKIP are not the final answer though, as we might see if they get in because they will likely be seen to do a terrible job so people will go straight back to Conservative or Labour and then UK will be as god as back in the EU through the pro-eu agreements.
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27 Jun 2016 09:20:53
Exactly he lacks credibility.
A lot of his ideological views are stuck in the early 80's. Its no longer relevant to most people.
As a backbench MP he voted against his own party 500 times. 500. Now rebelling on something like Iraq fair enough. But 500,times? Yet he's demanding loyalty from MP's when he never showed any prior to becoming leader.
He's made a lot unwise appointments and surrounded himself with inexperience.
Yes the blairites have been a disgrace but as leader its his responsibility to unite them. He hasn't instead he's pushed them further away.
Now he's threatening to have the unions nominate disloyal MP's at the next election. Not a wise move.
The British people have never gravitated towards either political extreme. Which is why a hard left labour party was unelectable in the past. That won't change any time soon. Also a hard right party stands little chance unless the economy totally collapses. Which is unlikely.
Exactly he lacks credibility.
A lot of his ideological views are stuck in the early 80's. Its no longer relevant to most people.
As a backbench MP he voted against his own party 500 times. 500. Now rebelling on something like Iraq fair enough. But 500,times? Yet he's demanding loyalty from MP's when he never showed any prior to becoming leader.
He's made a lot unwise appointments and surrounded himself with inexperience.
Yes the blairites have been a disgrace but as leader its his responsibility to unite them. He hasn't instead he's pushed them further away.
Now he's threatening to have the unions nominate disloyal MP's at the next election. Not a wise move.
The British people have never gravitated towards either political extreme. Which is why a hard left labour party was unelectable in the past. That won't change any time soon. Also a hard right party stands little chance unless the economy totally collapses. Which is unlikely.
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27 Jun 2016 13:18:14
civil war in the plp
if it comes to a vote which it prob will, he will win .
people who think because of the north east vote that every1 is going to jump on the ukip bandwagon are living in cloud cuckoo land .
i am fully pro corbyn but voted out .
as for a general election one thing is very clear the establishment are trying to put out fires left and right and people are fed up, to say the tories would win is very premature as they will continue to attack the working classes and now middle class voters,
granted the civil war in the lab party does not help, but in reality this was always going to happen and is a watershed moment in labours history on what direction its going .
me I am firmly behind corbyn and I am doing my own small contribution online with grassroots movements .
one thing is for sure goldman sachs and the friends of israel lobbies are behind this coup d'état
me personally thinks deselection of career politicians is the only way forward even thou its unlikely to happen.
civil war in the plp
if it comes to a vote which it prob will, he will win .
people who think because of the north east vote that every1 is going to jump on the ukip bandwagon are living in cloud cuckoo land .
i am fully pro corbyn but voted out .
as for a general election one thing is very clear the establishment are trying to put out fires left and right and people are fed up, to say the tories would win is very premature as they will continue to attack the working classes and now middle class voters,
granted the civil war in the lab party does not help, but in reality this was always going to happen and is a watershed moment in labours history on what direction its going .
me I am firmly behind corbyn and I am doing my own small contribution online with grassroots movements .
one thing is for sure goldman sachs and the friends of israel lobbies are behind this coup d'état
me personally thinks deselection of career politicians is the only way forward even thou its unlikely to happen.
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27 Jun 2016 15:39:29
all ukip are Southampton is another arm of the tory party, when they get challenged on there polices, which they don't have apart from immigration they come up sadly lacking, farage couldn't even be arsed to have a debate about leaving the eu, yet he was one of the 1st in front of the camera's after he realised the out vote had won, they are no different than the bnp only a little bit more subtle, don't waste your time and vote with that lot, Franky good post but sadly I think corbyn will be gone by October as he has simply failed to ignite the labour party, labour need to have a complete re-think about what they stand for and who they represent, the trouble is to the average voter, the only way to tell the 3 main parties apart is by the colour of the ties they wear. Labour needs to get its identity back and whilst there is infighting going on that is unlikely to happen, they have never recovered by choosing the wrong milliband imo. There next choice has to be the right choice, a weak government needs to be challenged by a strong opposition party, at the moment sadly that is not labour, so if corbyn has to go to make that happen, so be it.
all ukip are Southampton is another arm of the tory party, when they get challenged on there polices, which they don't have apart from immigration they come up sadly lacking, farage couldn't even be arsed to have a debate about leaving the eu, yet he was one of the 1st in front of the camera's after he realised the out vote had won, they are no different than the bnp only a little bit more subtle, don't waste your time and vote with that lot, Franky good post but sadly I think corbyn will be gone by October as he has simply failed to ignite the labour party, labour need to have a complete re-think about what they stand for and who they represent, the trouble is to the average voter, the only way to tell the 3 main parties apart is by the colour of the ties they wear. Labour needs to get its identity back and whilst there is infighting going on that is unlikely to happen, they have never recovered by choosing the wrong milliband imo. There next choice has to be the right choice, a weak government needs to be challenged by a strong opposition party, at the moment sadly that is not labour, so if corbyn has to go to make that happen, so be it.
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27 Jun 2016 17:03:48
I could see the labour party splitting up. A hard left anti eu party under corbyn, maybe even taking over some of the lib Dems. And a blairite pro eu party claiming to be centre left.
I could also see the tories splitting too. The anti eu right merging with ukip and the remnants forming a pro eu party claiming to be centre right.
I could see the labour party splitting up. A hard left anti eu party under corbyn, maybe even taking over some of the lib Dems. And a blairite pro eu party claiming to be centre left.
I could also see the tories splitting too. The anti eu right merging with ukip and the remnants forming a pro eu party claiming to be centre right.
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27 Jun 2016 19:40:27
kim you could be right, unions and members actively proposing deselection which I thought was unlikely.
I am to young to remember the sdp / lib dems split years ago but this is civil war and nothing is impossible, like I said a few times the eu vote and corbyn doing a uturn, well one thing is certain if he voted out those unions that are fully behind now would have turned their backs with this coo and he would be out of a job now.
kim you could be right, unions and members actively proposing deselection which I thought was unlikely.
I am to young to remember the sdp / lib dems split years ago but this is civil war and nothing is impossible, like I said a few times the eu vote and corbyn doing a uturn, well one thing is certain if he voted out those unions that are fully behind now would have turned their backs with this coo and he would be out of a job now.
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