11 Sep 2017 00:05:22
Don't normally post on this page but seeing how this is politics I'm weighing in.
Remainers marched because Brexit is going the the way that every remainer feared. The pound is screwed, exports aren't increasing and the government has no idea what to do. Right now we're marching head long at a cliff for no other reason than a feeble obligation.
Last year we didn't know what we were voting for because nobody, on either side of the argument, explained what they planned to do. Every major leaver, including Farage, told us we could stay in the single market. Now we know that's not on the cards.
Leavers fear another vote because you know you'd be crushed. The country has seen how important the eu is to the economy, it's realised it can't stay in the single market, it's seen how screwed the NHS would be without migrants and it's realised that both major parties are incapable of offering a better option.
Last year we only thought Brexit would be a disaster, now we know it will be, that's why another vote is needed.
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28 Nov 2016 15:53:15
Hi Jonesy, There are two points up for debate here, the first is whether a 767 could achieve the speeds quoted and the second is would a 767 hold together at that speed. The first part is the speed, 360 knots is the max operating speed of a 767 at sea level but this is a prescribed limitation not a physical one, there is no doubt that a 767 could go faster than this if the throttle is fully opened and the plane is in descent.
A guy called John Bursill claims to have used a simulator to recreate the flight of United 175 and was able to achieve 654mph in level flight at 2000ft and 674mph in a shallow dive, much higher than the 560mph that United 175 is claimed to have been traveling on 9/11.
Of course his findings have been refuted by pilots for truth. The idea that a 767 would break up at that speed is based on an investigation by Pilots for Truth into an Air Egypt 767 which crashed. I found a thread on metabunk.org that tackled this with the conclusion that PfT had either misread the report or were wilfully lying.
The bottom line is that this is a theoretical debate as Boeing aren't too keen to test this with a real plane. It comes down to which internet source you believe is more credible, the sources I read made sense and effectively refuted the claims of Pilots for Truth and, as I'm someone who thinks planes did hit the towers, I'm inclined to believe that a 767 is perfectly capable of doing what the official narrative claimed it did.
I'd be interested to hear what your friend says, I too know someone, an ex-Army Air Corp pilot who now flys airliners out of Dubai, I'm not sure what model he flys but I might bother him for an opinion.
Read discussionHi Jonesy, There are two points up for debate here, the first is whether a 767 could achieve the speeds quoted and the second is would a 767 hold together at that speed. The first part is the speed, 360 knots is the max operating speed of a 767 at sea level but this is a prescribed limitation not a physical one, there is no doubt that a 767 could go faster than this if the throttle is fully opened and the plane is in descent.
A guy called John Bursill claims to have used a simulator to recreate the flight of United 175 and was able to achieve 654mph in level flight at 2000ft and 674mph in a shallow dive, much higher than the 560mph that United 175 is claimed to have been traveling on 9/11.
Of course his findings have been refuted by pilots for truth. The idea that a 767 would break up at that speed is based on an investigation by Pilots for Truth into an Air Egypt 767 which crashed. I found a thread on metabunk.org that tackled this with the conclusion that PfT had either misread the report or were wilfully lying.
The bottom line is that this is a theoretical debate as Boeing aren't too keen to test this with a real plane. It comes down to which internet source you believe is more credible, the sources I read made sense and effectively refuted the claims of Pilots for Truth and, as I'm someone who thinks planes did hit the towers, I'm inclined to believe that a 767 is perfectly capable of doing what the official narrative claimed it did.
I'd be interested to hear what your friend says, I too know someone, an ex-Army Air Corp pilot who now flys airliners out of Dubai, I'm not sure what model he flys but I might bother him for an opinion.
25 Nov 2016 18:02:04
Big Al, a question if I may. Genarlow Wilson, a student in the USA, was sentenced to 11 years in jail and life on the sex offenders register because he received oral sex from a 15 year old girl when he was 17. Do you think this punishment was appropriate? I certainly don't.
If you don't either then you have some common ground with the authors of this bill, it was designed to protect consenting and committed youths from being charged with statutory rape.
Rightly, the population of Turkey pointed out that such a bill could be used to protect child molesters and promote the practice of taking child brides and so it was rejected. The intent of the author can be understood and the reactions of the Turkish people can be praised.
Read discussionBig Al, a question if I may. Genarlow Wilson, a student in the USA, was sentenced to 11 years in jail and life on the sex offenders register because he received oral sex from a 15 year old girl when he was 17. Do you think this punishment was appropriate? I certainly don't.
If you don't either then you have some common ground with the authors of this bill, it was designed to protect consenting and committed youths from being charged with statutory rape.
Rightly, the population of Turkey pointed out that such a bill could be used to protect child molesters and promote the practice of taking child brides and so it was rejected. The intent of the author can be understood and the reactions of the Turkish people can be praised.
25 Nov 2016 17:22:26
I wasn't referring to 9/11 but to franky's question about the VIP thing.
As an aside, I watched that when you first posted it. I actually thought it was a really interesting exercise and well put together but what's fascinating is that his conclusions fly in the face of his own investigation. He's gone to all this effort and come to the conclusion that the footage of planes flying into the buildings is genuine but he still can't admit that planes flew into the buildings.
He tries to justify this by presenting some other evidence as fact when it isn't (simulations show that that airspeed was easily possible and soft materials not being able to damage harder materials is nonsense) . Sorry Ed, you'll have to find something a bit more convincing.
Read discussionI wasn't referring to 9/11 but to franky's question about the VIP thing.
As an aside, I watched that when you first posted it. I actually thought it was a really interesting exercise and well put together but what's fascinating is that his conclusions fly in the face of his own investigation. He's gone to all this effort and come to the conclusion that the footage of planes flying into the buildings is genuine but he still can't admit that planes flew into the buildings.
He tries to justify this by presenting some other evidence as fact when it isn't (simulations show that that airspeed was easily possible and soft materials not being able to damage harder materials is nonsense) . Sorry Ed, you'll have to find something a bit more convincing.
24 Nov 2016 23:28:58 Thread on 9/11 below continued here.
Can you be more specific [on 9/11], I'm not sure what you're referring to.
24 Nov 2016 16:09:44
Hey Franky, I think you misunderstand me, I don't automatically side with the official narrative, the reason I generally side with it is that I don't find the arguments supporting the alternative particularly compelling.
Read discussionHey Franky, I think you misunderstand me, I don't automatically side with the official narrative, the reason I generally side with it is that I don't find the arguments supporting the alternative particularly compelling.
24 Nov 2016 10:47:11
Hey Franky, I don't think I have an unusual definition of a conspiracy theory. Basically it's any alternative narrative to the one published by the relevant authority coupled with an assumption that the authority is deliberately trying to deceive the public.
Chrisp, I'm familiar with Building 7, I'm familiar with a lot of the more common theories, I read a lot of what is posted and shared here because I'm fascinated with the culture. My opinions are based on comparing the arguments in support of the official narrative to the alternative one.
If we look at 9/11 the facts are that four buildings collapsed and a number of others were damaged. The debate is what caused that damage, on the balance of the evidence I've seen I believe the most likely explanation is that terrorists hijacked four planes with the intention of flying them into various land marks.
In the case of the WTC they succeeded in crashing into the twin towers resulting in a chain of events that culminated with the twin towers and WTC 3 and 7 collapsing. The alternative explanations which attempt to argue a different narrative all have flaws far more significant than the official one so, on balance I see no reason not to believe the official story.
Read discussionHey Franky, I don't think I have an unusual definition of a conspiracy theory. Basically it's any alternative narrative to the one published by the relevant authority coupled with an assumption that the authority is deliberately trying to deceive the public.
Chrisp, I'm familiar with Building 7, I'm familiar with a lot of the more common theories, I read a lot of what is posted and shared here because I'm fascinated with the culture. My opinions are based on comparing the arguments in support of the official narrative to the alternative one.
If we look at 9/11 the facts are that four buildings collapsed and a number of others were damaged. The debate is what caused that damage, on the balance of the evidence I've seen I believe the most likely explanation is that terrorists hijacked four planes with the intention of flying them into various land marks.
In the case of the WTC they succeeded in crashing into the twin towers resulting in a chain of events that culminated with the twin towers and WTC 3 and 7 collapsing. The alternative explanations which attempt to argue a different narrative all have flaws far more significant than the official one so, on balance I see no reason not to believe the official story.
23 Nov 2016 22:08:51
Some of you may have noticed my posts and that fact that my views are in opposition to a lot of what is said on here. I accept that some conspiracy theories have a kernel of truth to them but I believe most are a result of people being selective in the evidence they choose to believe. I think it's clear that Apollo 11 landed on the moon, that Al Qaida highjacked 4 planes on Sep 11th and flew them into various buildings and I don't believe the Rothschild family control the world.
In terms of the US election I think it's laughable that people thought the election was going to be rigged in favour of Clinton but today I experienced the power of conspiracy theories for myself.
I saw a link to an article that argued that voter fraud did take place but in fact in favour of Trump, it didn't cite much evidence other than that voting patterns were unusual and that the 'just enough votes' nature of Trump's victory in four swing states was suspect. You have no idea how much I want this to be true and I find myself battling my better judgement on the issue.
For interest I link the article. I wonder what the other posters think of it.
goo.gl/mqliAZ
21 Nov 2016 10:22:57
I remember when this came out, the government backed down pretty quickly after a backlash.
Read discussionI remember when this came out, the government backed down pretty quickly after a backlash.
18 Nov 2016 23:53:46
Heard nothing about this from my friends.
Read discussionHeard nothing about this from my friends.
18 Nov 2016 17:57:30
This is pretty embarrassing, the 'alt-right' is getting a lot of flak so Hannity comes up with the 'alt-left' but adds radical in there to make it sound super-edgy. A fox news anchor decrying the death of journalism would have made me spit out my drink if I had one.
There's no denying the rest of media is going overboard at the moment trying to pick holes in everything Trump does but for Fox to try and take the journalistic high ground it's taking the p*ss.
Read discussionThis is pretty embarrassing, the 'alt-right' is getting a lot of flak so Hannity comes up with the 'alt-left' but adds radical in there to make it sound super-edgy. A fox news anchor decrying the death of journalism would have made me spit out my drink if I had one.
There's no denying the rest of media is going overboard at the moment trying to pick holes in everything Trump does but for Fox to try and take the journalistic high ground it's taking the p*ss.
17 Nov 2016 20:25:36
hsf, go to any British expat community in the world and you find them huddled together watching British TV, speaking English and eating fish and chips, the British have a terrible reputation for the fact that we make no effort to fit in. Immigrants have plenty of respect for our culture but they have their own heritage which is important to them, why should they abandon that to make you feel better?
Read discussionhsf, go to any British expat community in the world and you find them huddled together watching British TV, speaking English and eating fish and chips, the British have a terrible reputation for the fact that we make no effort to fit in. Immigrants have plenty of respect for our culture but they have their own heritage which is important to them, why should they abandon that to make you feel better?
17 Nov 2016 11:23:59
What is wrong with 'sharia compliant banks'? As long as they comply with British Law what else matters?
Read discussionWhat is wrong with 'sharia compliant banks'? As long as they comply with British Law what else matters?
15 Nov 2016 18:09:26
If you can read that quote and not see the racism then take yourself outside for a stern chat. Even a generous interpretation of this quote is that he's only calling illegal immigrants rapists and drug dealers, but seeing that represents 6.5 million Mexicans that's a hugely derogatory statement which is based on zero factual information, it is textbook bigotry against a racial minority, so yes, it absolutely is a racist statement. And don't try the 'he obviously didn't mean all of them' card because the message he gave was very deliberate.
As for the who gets to define racism it is not for the person accused of racism to decide whether their actions are racist or not, funnily enough, very few racists can admit that is what they are. In the above video it is not that the KKK have endorsed Trump that is important, all candidates have crazy groups on their side. What is important is that Trump has said nothing on the subject, by not condemning them he shows that the support of racists is more important to him than the issue of racism itself and that is why he is being so strongly condemned.
Read discussionIf you can read that quote and not see the racism then take yourself outside for a stern chat. Even a generous interpretation of this quote is that he's only calling illegal immigrants rapists and drug dealers, but seeing that represents 6.5 million Mexicans that's a hugely derogatory statement which is based on zero factual information, it is textbook bigotry against a racial minority, so yes, it absolutely is a racist statement. And don't try the 'he obviously didn't mean all of them' card because the message he gave was very deliberate.
As for the who gets to define racism it is not for the person accused of racism to decide whether their actions are racist or not, funnily enough, very few racists can admit that is what they are. In the above video it is not that the KKK have endorsed Trump that is important, all candidates have crazy groups on their side. What is important is that Trump has said nothing on the subject, by not condemning them he shows that the support of racists is more important to him than the issue of racism itself and that is why he is being so strongly condemned.
14 Nov 2016 12:09:18
There is plenty of disagreement about the details but there is a tiny amount of disagreement that climate change is happening, is effected by man or that it will impact us negatively.
Read discussionThere is plenty of disagreement about the details but there is a tiny amount of disagreement that climate change is happening, is effected by man or that it will impact us negatively.
09 Nov 2016 11:05:06
Ed, I think you know that I'm not very respectful of the opinions expressed on this site. Where you say awake, I say gullible; when you rail against the political correct, I see thinly veiled bigotry. I come on this site because I enjoy the irony that you attack what you call the main stream media for it's lack of integrity and agenda whilst sharing fake stories and and having an agenda of your own.
My problem is that my world has become complacent, the society I live in laughs off the idea of Hillary going to jail as a silly story no one believed to be credible, we thought that no one who said the things Trump said could ever get the support necessary to be president, we were sure that everyone would see just as clearly as we did that Brexit was a terrible idea. We were wrong.
I hope that Trump's election is the final straw in that complacency and the west will start to swing back the the center but today I am genuinely worried that this is just the start, that our future is an insular one that blames others for our problems, that is hugely depressing to me.
Read discussionEd, I think you know that I'm not very respectful of the opinions expressed on this site. Where you say awake, I say gullible; when you rail against the political correct, I see thinly veiled bigotry. I come on this site because I enjoy the irony that you attack what you call the main stream media for it's lack of integrity and agenda whilst sharing fake stories and and having an agenda of your own.
My problem is that my world has become complacent, the society I live in laughs off the idea of Hillary going to jail as a silly story no one believed to be credible, we thought that no one who said the things Trump said could ever get the support necessary to be president, we were sure that everyone would see just as clearly as we did that Brexit was a terrible idea. We were wrong.
I hope that Trump's election is the final straw in that complacency and the west will start to swing back the the center but today I am genuinely worried that this is just the start, that our future is an insular one that blames others for our problems, that is hugely depressing to me.
09 Nov 2016 11:18:11
MrJonesy, I do not believe that Clinton would have done anything significantly different to any president of the last 30 years, it would simply be business as usual. That's not a great thing but it's not bad either.
My fear with Trump is that he can't 'make america great again' and when he fails he will promote the idea that it's everyone else's fault that America is in decline. This will further polarise the nation and sour relations with the rest of the world. My feeling is that he will hasten the decline of America not halt it.
Read discussionMrJonesy, I do not believe that Clinton would have done anything significantly different to any president of the last 30 years, it would simply be business as usual. That's not a great thing but it's not bad either.
My fear with Trump is that he can't 'make america great again' and when he fails he will promote the idea that it's everyone else's fault that America is in decline. This will further polarise the nation and sour relations with the rest of the world. My feeling is that he will hasten the decline of America not halt it.
09 Nov 2016 07:41:00
Well, it seems the polls (and me) were wrong. Kim, Ed, you got what you wanted, I hope I'm wrong about what's going to happen next too.
08 Nov 2016 14:21:16
I wouldn't expect that Ed.
Kim, my argument isn't that the polls are accurate, my point is that there is no contradictory evidence that suggests Trump isn't behind.
Read discussionI wouldn't expect that Ed.
Kim, my argument isn't that the polls are accurate, my point is that there is no contradictory evidence that suggests Trump isn't behind.
08 Nov 2016 12:13:26
Ed, if Trump doesn't win the popular vote will you concede that Clinton is the rightful winner?
Read discussionEd, if Trump doesn't win the popular vote will you concede that Clinton is the rightful winner?